If Malcolm McLaren had'nt spotted an oppotunity would punk exist...?

mike65 · 12-02-2005 6:55pm #1

..or had the Yanks already invented it with thwe MC5, Stooges, NY Dolls etc?

Mike.

chewy · 12-02-2005 7:01pm

not something to be marketted i mean you could say that for most things...

one can only hope that is true, say an ad for the mojo which probably inspired this post, with the songs that inspired the pistols cd, any good

i say it was already created in new york

Ro: maaan! · 13-02-2005 2:21am

New York were way ahead. Sex Pistols ****ed up the whole thing more than anything else. And I wouldn't really say it was Malcolm McLaren spotting an opportunity either.

NotMe · 13-02-2005 2:30am

I'd say the Sex Pistols had a huge influence on bands in London at the time but they didn't single-handely create create punk music.

0utshined · 13-02-2005 3:07am

The Ramones were around before the Sex Pistols got going. The Pistols probably helped things to get going on this side of the world but I think Punk would have broken with or without McLaren, though maybe not as early as it did. He sure helped with the fashion side of it though.

Ro: maaan! · 13-02-2005 3:09am

All Malcolm McLaren did was help to give it a bad name.

0utshined · 13-02-2005 3:12am

And Bondage trousers.

Ro: maaan! · 13-02-2005 4:25am

Oh god yes! We can't forget the bondage trousers!

lee_baby_simms · 14-02-2005 1:59am

no. i couldn't bear to credit that man with anything.

he's a fluke. and a twat. him and bernie rhodes can f**k right off.

ahhh. feel better now.

bombidol · 14-02-2005 10:27am

I think it was a natural progression of things. it would have happened either way.

dregin · 14-02-2005 6:22pm

The Pistols sucked. So whatever Mc Laren did it wouldn't have mattered anyway.

NotMe · 14-02-2005 6:34pm

dregin wrote:

The Pistols sucked. So whatever Mc Laren did it wouldn't have mattered anyway.

That's not true (the second part). How many bands did the Sex Pistols influence?

JoeSchmoe · 15-02-2005 1:13am

I would say that the pistols and McLaren didn't kick things off musically (although the pistols were great) but they totally created the attitude and image, giving us the complete punk package that is so recognisable to us today

DadaKopf · 15-02-2005 1:43am

If you look back at the genesis of punk, it sort of looks like it was inevitable. Just like today, a lot of people were thinking similar things about music and politics at the time - the 60s blew out, the oil crisis made things difficult for people on both sides of the Atlantic, rock was boring, folk was boring, life was boring, capitalism was boring.

Punk was probably never inevitable, but people felt it was necessary at the time - it was nessary to fu*k things up to show people that alternatives still existed.

Actually, this way of thinking goes back to a load of pipe-smoking student intellectuals and artists in the 1960s who McClaren ripped off when he came back from France. So the ideas were floating around.

In fact, 'punk' ideas go back as far as the 1910s with the Dada artists.

If anything, punk probably would have happened because of the way people were thinking the same way about the world, were equally as disillusioned with Thatcher and Reagan and Kohl and bombs and nice middle class society robots screaming in the wilderness that people naturally gravitated towards something like it.

If Malcolm McLaren had'nt spotted an oppotunity would punk exist...?

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