Arsenal Squad had no British Players Tonight

kida

Cole and Campbell were injured tonight so for the first in their history they fielded squad with no British players.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/4239095.stm

This is a very worrying development for the Premiership and looking at how Wenger is bringing in more and more youngsters from abroad this trend will continue.

Oh and by the way they won 5-1

Draupnir

is it really bad for the premiership? i dont think so. ya cant play crap british players just for the sake of it. best squad goes to the match and thats the way it always was.

mike65

Pshhht! thats nothing Chelsea managed that achievment a few years back, under Gullit or Vialli I think. Oh and Liverpool did something similair back in the 30s when they had 11 Scots on the field for a season or two.

Mike.

Guy:Incognito

mike65 wrote:

Oh and Liverpool did something similair back in the 30s when they had 11 Scots on the field for a season or two. Mike.

Im fairly sure scotland is in britain. Unless theres been some dramatic political changes in the last couple of hours.

mike65

I said similair not the same...after all in footballing terms Scotland and England are two seperate entities.

Mike.

cournioni

That is a bit of a joke alright. Teams should have at least 6 British players in their squad. I'm pretty surprised there isn't a rule against having so many foreign players in match day squads...

Memnoch

i don't get it personally. Why should a team have to have british players?

applehunter

kida wrote:

Cole and Campbell were injured tonight so for the first in their history they fielded squad with no British players.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/4239095.stm

This is a very worrying development for the Premiership and looking at how Wenger is bringing in more and more youngsters from abroad this trend will continue.

Boo Hoo!

Jivin Turkey

kida wrote:

Cole and Campbell were injured tonight so for the first in their history they fielded squad with no British players.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/4239095.stm

This is a very worrying development for the Premiership and looking at how Wenger is bringing in more and more youngsters from abroad this trend will continue.

Oh and by the way they won 5-1

Anything for a cheap dig.

As you said Cole and Campbell were injured. So is Justin Hoyte as far as I know, and as for the rest of their British players, they are just not good enough.

The Muppet

Most British players are over priced and under skilled and the Value for money is in continental players. This situation is a direct consequence of this and will continue as long as those circumstances prevail.

Good win for the gunners keeping the pressure on Chelski.and improving their Goal difference.

leeroybrown

The problem is that by the time any British (particularly English) player good enough to play for Arsenal's first team is old enough to be seriously considered (ie. around the same age as Arsenal's foreign imports) will have been hyped up so much by the media that they'll be priced out of the market.

PORNAPSTER wrote:

That is a bit of a joke alright. Teams should have at least 6 British players in their squad. I'm pretty surprised there isn't a rule against having so many foreign players in match day squads...

That is illegal. No EU citizen can have their nationality used to prevent them from working. It could be used to restrict the numbers of non-EU nationals (but that's just a tad xenophobic). I think UEFA are looking at a restriction that would involve having some home grown players in the squad (ie. people who have been in the clubs youth system). I can't remember the exact details.

cournioni

Memnoch wrote:

i don't get it personally. Why should a team have to have british players?

Because it prevents local talent from coming through and getting a chance to prove themselves at the top level. Look at Scotland now for example, Rangers hardly give any of their local players a chance to play. Sure, foreign players are cheaper but it is very unfair on local players who are probably good enough but can't get a chance to play.

I know that it is illegal leeroybrown, but surely there can be some way around it... It is very unfair to local players IMO. And I support that new UEFA rule to a certain extent.

Big Nelly

leeroybrown wrote:

That is illegal. No EU citizen can have their nationality used to prevent them from working. It could be used to restrict the numbers of non-EU nationals (but that's just a tad xenophobic). I think UEFA are looking at a restriction that would involve having some home grown players in the squad (ie. people who have been in the clubs youth system). I can't remember the exact details.

Is there not a new rule out to say that if you are playing in CL next season you need at least 6 homegrown players in your squad???

The Muppet

Jivin Turkey wrote:

Anything for a cheap dig.

As you said Cole and Campbell were injured. So is Justin Hoyte as far as I know, and as for the rest of their British players, they are just not good enough.

How is it a cheap dig ? Is it not an issue with consequences for the game ?

eirebhoy

PORNAPSTER wrote:

Because it prevents local talent from coming through and getting a chance to prove themselves at the top level.

I don't see how buying foreign players prevents players coming through any more than buying British. If they're good enough, they'll get their chance.

TwoShedsJackson

Chelsea achieved this in 1999 against Southampton, I believe. Who gives a toss? Apart from the Man United supporters desperate for something to pick up on :rolleyes:

The Rooster

Exactly TwoSheds. Though maybe the ManU supporters do have an affinity with the Great British youth who are so mistreated by Arsenal!

There is one point of relevance arising from the story, in my view. That is David Dein's views on the proposed new UEFA rules re homegrown players, obviously have a huge bias.

The Muppet

I Think you will find that there is a lot more than United Fans concerned with the trend. Have a Loo /Listen to the English media this morning and you will hear plenty of concerned parties. Eufa are so concerned they are tring to outlaw this from happening, They must be United fans too.

Seriously lads if you can not discuus any topic without bringing your anti United biase into it you should forget It. This had dissappeard for a long time but lately it is creeping back into the forum where a lot of threads are turning into and Us and them situation . Personally I dont see the point in it as it just turns the forum into a pile of ****e not worth bothering about.

BolBill

TwoShedsJackson wrote:

Chelsea achieved this in 1999 against Southampton, I believe. Who gives a toss? Apart from the Man United supporters desperate for something to pick up on :rolleyes:

That there fightin' talk

mr_angry

I think it is an issue for football, but I can't see how its Arsenal's fault - how are you supposed to justify picking an inferior team? And Wenger has demonstrated in the past that he is prepared to pick British players if they are good enough. (Seaman, Dixon, Winterburn, Keown, Adams, Cole, etc.) I think the question that should be asked is "Why are young British players inferior to their foreign counterparts, and why are the good ones rediculously overpriced?"

And I fail to see the logic behind the thinking that foreign players are surpressing local talent - if anything, the locals should be observing and learning the quality skills of the foreign players that they see week-in-week-out. And secondly, I think the reason that most young British players are over-priced is because the selling club doesn't want to see their prize asset coming back to play against them in an opposition shirt the following season.

BaZmO*

I like the romantic notion that in any given team there are more local people playing than foreigners but that's exactly what it is, a romantic notion! Football at the highest level is a an international game and if you bring in foreign managers well then you are also going to get foreign players.

Although I do find it quite ironic that the people who would rather pick a foreign club over their national side and most vocal in reducing the amount of foreign players in favour of local talent.

leeroybrown wrote:

The problem is that by the time any British (particularly English) player good enough to play for Arsenal's first team is old enough to be seriously considered (ie. around the same age as Arsenal's foreign imports) will have been hyped up so much by the media that they'll be priced out of the market.

You gots a good point there!

B.

gandalf

Actually this is a very valid thread and as an Arsenal supporter this does actually concern me. I would prefer if they had more local players in their team as I believe the team loses some fighting spirit if it is full of players who are tied with the area. Not just English but actually from that part of London.

But as alot have pointed out thanks to the Tabloids anyone who is local who can kick a ball straight is hyped up as the next "British Pele" and the hype prices them out of the market.

Gone are the days where Premiership (well I mean old Division 1) teams have one or two foreigners (and they were probably Irish!), they have no choice but to look abroad for decent players at an affordable price.

kida

This thread was not supposed to be Anti-Arsenal (I admit I can't stand them )- it is to point out a growing trend in the game. It seems you cannot make a point hear without being shouted down or accused of being biased.

Its a shame when 1 of the top 3 teams is unable to field any home grown players in their first team squad. Chelsea have started to reverse it a little bit - theyjust buy the best regardless of Nationality.

Chong

I sure hope good ould Sepp Blatter's new proposed rule comes in pretty fast.

eirebhoy

Some fella on Sky News talking about this subject:

"Chelsea have a hardcore of English players, Frank Lampard, John Terry, or British players, Damien Duff." :mad:

applehunter

gandalf wrote:

does actually concern me. I would prefer if they had more local players in their team as I believe the team loses some fighting spirit if it is full of players who are tied with the area. Not just English but actually from that part of London.

Yeah Like Sol Campbell who showed his fighting passion for his beloved Spurs.

The Muppet

eirebhoy wrote:

Some fella on Sky News talking about this subject:

Was he a United Supporter ?;)

I,m not surprised the English are uptight about this. It could have very serious consequences for their National Team .

Harry2001

The Muppet wrote:

Was he a United Supporter ?;)

I,m not surprised the English are uptight about this. It could have very serious consequences for their National Team .

Never bought into this, foreign players have swamped the Premiership for years now and England is still producing excellent young players.

Anyway if it was going to be detrimental to the national team then Ireland would suffer too as the young Irish players would not get a chance either

If they are good enough they will come through as is happening for both countries now

The Muppet

Harry2001 wrote:

If they are good enough they will come through as is happening for both countries now

It's not widespread at the moment but even if only the tope teams in the premiership was made up of imports where would the English players get the invaluable experience of Playing at the highest level like (in Europe for example). It is very serious for the game and their National Squadand teh FA are rightly very concerned

The Rooster

The Muppet wrote:

It's not widespread at the moment but even if only the tope teams in the premiership was made up of imports where would the English players get the invaluable experience of Playing at the highest level like (in Europe for example). It is very serious for the game and their National Squadand teh FA are rightly very concerned

But I thought the FA were against the new UEFA proposals. Or maybe David Dein made his comments as Arsenal executive, but I was pretty sure he made them as FA spokesman, which (if you take the point that imports do hinder rather than help national teams - there are good arguments on both sides) puts Dein in very much a conflict of interests position.

I Think you will find that there is a lot more than United Fans concerned with the trend.

Indeed, but it was a funny coincidence that the first 3 people to comment negatively about Arsenal on this thread were ManU supporters.

Whatever about the rights and wrongs of playing all foreigners, one thing I fully believe (echoing gandalf above) is that you'll win feck all in England without a core of British or Celtic (pr. keltic!!) players.

jank

Does it matter? They hammered Palace 5-1

If your good enough you will play if not then....thats another story altogether.
English players are too pricy anyway and Arsenal are too cute to pay double on a player just because of his country of birth.

PHB

What pisses me off is the rule to do with youth players.

It means that you have to be in within a certain area of the club to join them as a kid.
This means that players like Scholes Beckham Giggs would never been able to join Utd without a fee being paid, which could end up at about 500k a pop.
Its cheaper to bring in foreign talent, because there are no rules like this imposed.
****s up the whole market imo, and has led to this situation, where if you want to get a good english player, like SWP you have to pay like 30mill, or Rooney for 26mill, but you could get Ronaldo or Reyes for 10-14 mill

Chucky the tree

kida wrote:

ts a shame when 1 of the top 3 teams is unable to field any home grown players in their first team squad. Chelsea have started to reverse it a little bit - theyjust buy the best regardless of Nationality.

they have cole and campell who are regualrs but injuried.

So you think they should of played some **** english reserve player to happy people happy? thats bollox.

As has been said, english players are so over-rated by the media, why pay 30mil for gerrard when you can get alonso for 10. I certainly know which player i would prefer to have.

Until english teams stop over-charging for there player people will buy foreign players. Same as every other product.

the new rules will make the league worse aswell, the standard will fall.

applehunter

I don't think clubs like Arsenal, Chelsea, Man. Utd., Liverpool can be classified as local clubs anymore. They are global clubs/businesses, with fans/customers all over the world.

They are some of the top clubs in world. I don't think they can play a player just because of he is from the housing estate next to the stadium.

jesus_thats_gre

Steven Gerard, Wayne Rooney and Micheal Owen are the perfect examples of what is wrong with homegrown talent and the British media..

pickarooney

What's to stop the young British players doing the same thing in reverse? If Fabregas can make it into the Arsenal team, why can't a young British midfielder make it into the Barcelona team, if it's not for the fact the he's simply not good enough? In which case, tough luck, it's a professional game, where the very best get the high rewards and there's no prize for second (well, OK, Champions League football and a nice lump of cash).
If the young British players have the talent, they'll make the team. Would a manager with a clue pick Diao when Gerrard is available? Why would you slect a Bellion when you pick a Rooney?







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