Metallica or Megadeth

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Kids nowadays eh Doc?

Doctor J

PORNAPSTER wrote:

Kids nowadays eh Doc?

FFS

JKSIII

Doctor J wrote:

His role, as a producer, is to guide and influence the music.

No, his role as producer is to produce the album, which involves adjusting the volume of each instrument to fit best, to make the album sound as best as possible according to the band's specifications.

He was involved in a greater role on stanger, as even a cursory glance at the movie will disclose.

Yes, watching the film will show you that he only contributed lyric ideas as far as actual writing goes.

Being an integral part of the writing process, both musically and lyrically, means he had a greater than usual role in the music.

Except that he wasn't an integral part in writing the music.

He pieced together stanger, certainly Lars does a lot with the arrangements, but so does the producer, with practically every band who have a producer workl

Know much about making a record? The producer doesn't do anything the band doesn't want him to. lars arranges, and each producer makes those arrangement fit. That's how they have recorded since kill em all.

with them, just look at the movie. So "At least bob rock never helped write metallica songs" is false, simple as that.

Sorry, I already proved otherwise.

I'm just repeating myself here, this is just stupidly going around in circles. Goodnight to trolls all over the world.

Then quit going in circles and let the people who actually know about the subject talk about it.

JKSIII

Doctor J wrote:

:rolleyes:

That's not writing, that's giving ideas. :rolleyes:

JKSIII

PORNAPSTER wrote:

Kids nowadays eh Doc?

Yeah, you kids nowadays don't even get your facts straight before entering a discussion, lol.

Doctor J

Yeah, you should investigate the difference between an engineer and a producer and don't tell people they don't know what they're talking about when you're talking out of your arse

Down with trolls

JKSIII

Doctor J wrote:

Yeah, you should investigate the difference between an engineer and a producer and don't tell people they don't know what they're talking about when you're talking out of your arse

Why wouldn't I tell people they don't know what they're talking about when they clearly demonstrated they don't. I don't understand your logic, or lack thereof.

Down with trolls

Yes, down with trolls.

Doctor J

Let me elaborate. I've been playing in bands over half my life. I've produced bands and I've engineered bands. I'm quite confident I know exactly what I'm talking about and I've got the experience to back it up. Only someone who has never been in a band could suggest with any sort of sincerity (albeit misinformed) that in a four person jam situation that any of the particpants did not contribute. Only someone who is about 15 or so and the closest they've ever been to the music business is handing over a €20 note for a Limp Bizkit cd in HMV could have such a total ignorance of the role of a music producer. Believe me, they don't get huge retainers and points (look it up) to mess with faders and act upon some poncey artistes whimsy. Ahhh we've all had a bit of a laugh at your olympian standard trolling and even tried to humour you but it's getting old. Serously man, try and have some sort of clue before you start to throw your weight around (although that would go against the trolling code of honour, I suppose) and participate in discussions, rather than tell people they're wrong and back it up with nought but piss steam. Another thread destroyed by this disturbing new wave of eager young trolls :rolleyes:

mp3guy

Doctor J wrote:

Only someone who has never been in a band could suggest with any sort of sincerity (albeit misinformed) that in a four person jam situation that any of the particpants did not contribute. Only someone who is about 15 or so and the closest they've ever been to the music business is handing over a €20 note for a Limp Bizkit cd in HMV could have such a total ignorance of the role of a music producer. Believe me, they don't get huge retainers and points (look it up) to mess with faders and act upon some poncey artistes whimsy. Ahhh we've all had a bit of a laugh at your olympian standard trolling and even tried to humour you but it's getting old. Serously man, try and have some sort of clue before you start to throw your weight around (although that would go against the trolling code of honour, I suppose) and participate in discussions, rather than tell people they're wrong and back it up with nought but piss steam. Another thread destroyed by this disturbing new wave of eager young trolls :rolleyes:

+1

Thanks... chances of him listening; 0.1%

Doctor J

Cheers


So anyway, trying desperately to get back on topic...

the next Megadeth/Mustaine record looks like it'll feature Glen Drover, who is a very fine guitarist indeed (as usual) and should have plenty of excellent playing to enjoy. What do ye reckon, will Metallica let Kirk play again if soloing is trendy whenever they record again and, if they do, will he do something interesting again or just play that same damned old blues solo?

mp3guy

Doctor J wrote:

Cheers


So anyway, trying desperately to get back on topic...

the next Megadeth/Mustaine record looks like it'll feature Glen Drover, who is a very fine guitarist indeed (as usual) and should have plenty of excellent playing to enjoy. What do ye reckon, will Metallica let Kirk play again if soloing is trendy whenever they record again and, if they do, will he do something interesting again or just play that same damned old blues solo?

I'm wondering what direction deth will take, maybe with the new members, a heavier root, could turn about pretty good. And, i'd say soloing will come back, if kirks hand hasn't seized from lack of use. When are they heading back to the studio, both bands?

Doctor J

Looks like the gigantour will roll for at least 6 months or so, doesn't look like Metallica are doing much in the near future, but I'd expect Mustaine to have somehthing out first. I was listening to Master Of Puppets last night and I can't understand why they put a leash on Kirk. The solo in The Thing That Should Not Be, for example, is a work of genius IMO.

mp3guy

Yeah. I think the next albums will be a clash of the titans, both going for a new, heavy, "back to roots" album

Doctor J

TBH I don't know what to expect from either, hope has kicked me in the ass with both of these bands before.

JKSIII

Doctor J wrote:

Let me elaborate. I've been playing in bands over half my life. I've produced bands and I've engineered bands.

Interesting.....

I'm quite confident I know exactly what I'm talking about and I've got the experience to back it up.

Prove it.

Only someone who has never been in a band could suggest with any sort of sincerity (albeit misinformed) that in a four person jam situation that any of the particpants did not contribute.

Uhh, yes I can. My lead guitarist contributed nothing to writing. He played what I worte.

Only someone who is about 15 or so and the closest they've ever been to the music business is handing over a €20 note for a Limp Bizkit cd in HMV could have such a total ignorance of the role of a music producer.

So you're 15? A producer's job is o oversee the overall quality of the recording.

Believe me, they don't get huge retainers and points (look it up) to mess with faders and act upon some poncey artistes whimsy.

That's why they hire engineers to do so, IF it's a relatively established act where the record company pays that retainer.

Ahhh we've all had a bit of a laugh at your olympian standard trolling and even tried to humour you but it's getting old.

Yes, your act of not having a clue is old. Serously man, try and have some sort of clue before you start to throw your weight around (although that would go against the trolling code of honour, I suppose) and participate in discussions, rather than tell people they're wrong and back it up with nought but piss steam. Another thread destroyed by this disturbing new wave of eager young trolls :rolleyes:

JKSIII

mp3guy wrote:

Yeah. I think the next albums will be a clash of the titans, both going for a new, heavy, "back to roots" album

Problem being metallica's interpretation of what "heavy" is has been skewed drastically and megadeth's errrrr dave's view of what heavy is was never really heavy to begin with.

It wasn't me!

Dear God you're so far up your own arse it must really hurt! You know little or nothing on this topic other than what you've made up or recycled. And you haven't contributed one iota to what started as a real discussion. And how , praytell, is it "interesting..." that the Doc has played in, produced and engineered bands, and if you're implying that he's incapable of doing so you're a fool, well... moreso. You have no idea what oyu're talking about. Go away and don't come back until you have a real thought. Christ, I'm fifteen, a terrible musician, and I know you're acting the knob! :rolleyes: Hell, that's my job!

JKSIII

It wasn't me! wrote:

Dear God you're so far up your own arse it must really hurt!

Why are you concerned with what's up my "arse"?

You know little or nothing on this topic other than what you've made up or recycled.

Sorry, but the reality is I've done nothing but state facts.

And you haven't contributed one iota to what started as a real discussion.

Wrong. I corrected people's mistakes. When there is a discussion, the true facts MUST be brought into it.

And how , praytell, is it "interesting..." that the Doc has played in, produced and engineered bands, and if you're implying that he's incapable of doing so you're a fool, well... moreso.

No, I just doubt that someone who has done all that would be incapable of comprehending what was said.

You have no idea what oyu're talking about.

The posts prove otherwise.

Go away and don't come back until you have a real thought.

Read the posts in this thread.

Christ, I'm fifteen, a terrible musician, and I know you're acting the knob!

And it shows that you're 15. Your reasoning and logic skills need to be vastly improved.

Karl Hungus

This board has suffered long enough.