Metallica or Megadeth

OLDYELLAR

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

don't even go there sister, slayer are better than either band.....their solos are great, for good riffs carcass are best....this metallica vs megadeath.......neither are the best at anything....they just have different qualities which are surpassed in every way by other bands.
when slayer and slipknots drummer played with metallica,finally no weakness! well maybe the singing these days....

James is a brilliant singer , the whole band as a band are brilliant!!!!
and Kirk`s wah wah wah`s as ye put it are amazing!!
METALLICA RULE!!

Father Jack

holy s**t theres sum crap on this thread, i meant to reply the other day and forgot, but i jus thought i shud address a few issues about megadeth/metallica...

i)Obviously Mustiane's gonna feel bitter bout Metallica...he and james were the backbone of that band and then james and lars backstabbed him, took his whole life away from him and then to top it all off added insult to injury by usin his stuff to make up OVER 60% of Kill em all

ii)as with regards to classical training...Cliff was OFFICIALLY the only classically trained member of metallica from the beginning...Kirk took Guitar1A in his highschool cause he knew he'd get an A so he never went to the classes, he is NOT classically trained, neither is James...in fact most musicians arent, if you put a piece of sheet music infront of them they'd go

...and furthermore when the likes of Mustaine say they know no theory that does not mean they are just playin random notes, i absolutely guarantee you 100% that all there material is based on sound musical theory but they dont know strickly what to call what they are doin(i.e. oh yeah man that was the Dorean mode you should have used for that solo)

iii)I used to be the biggest most die hard Metallica fan until i started to probe a little deeper and decided that i should check out that guy Dave Mustaines stuff and their history together a little more, when i did my eyes were opened as to how narrow minded metallica are musically and how they are the biggest bunch of money grabbing egotists on gods green earth, its hard to get through to metallica fans but once you realise how limited they are you'll never look back...

well thats the end of my little rant, course everyones entitled to their own opinion so i merely stated the facts, megadeth ARE better musically, whether you prefer their music or not is up to the individual

OLDYELLAR

this thread is going ages !but still metallica for me

toffo

Without Mustaine, Metallica wouldn't be as successful. Probably would have split years ago.

Father Jack

never a truer word spoken, in fact metallica still shud've split up by now i reckon, ran out of steam after the black album, now they're jus losers clingin on to what reputation they've left to get them by...

dcr22B

Used to be Metallica but they've been surpassed by Dave and the boys especially in light of their barnstorming performance at the Ambassador back in February!

Megatron

Nea wrote:

Megadeth.
I have seen both about 4 times and megadeth has always been more fun.
Plus the Metallica corporation kinda killed the love I had for Metallica

hehe reminded me of when i first say Megadeth in the point back in 92 or was it 93 ( Countdown to extension tour). People robbing popcorn, some d00d giving Dave the finger and daver loosing it half way through the show. good times. but the better gigs have always been metallica for me, they are truely great to see live.

as for songs, so of megadeths songs kick azz, but so do metallica's ones.

But i'd stay metallica. after all they are the reason i got into this type of music.

Tar.Aldarion

OLDYELLAR wrote:

James is a brilliant singer , the whole band as a band are brilliant!!!!
and Kirk`s wah wah wah`s as ye put it are amazing!!
METALLICA RULE!!

oh excuse me, here was i thinkin his voice had died and gone away, how can i take hime seriously even.When he's saying 'yeah' as many times in a sentence as he can,thing i hate about metallica is the the way they perform their good songs badly,i mean my God some of those live songs....
yet when performed well they are good songs,better than megadeaths imo

i say take kirks wah powers away from him and give kerrie another tremolo!

It wasn't me!

I say give him a double-neck guitar, both necks with Floyd Roses. He can put his elbow on one and the heel of his had on the other. Stand in front of his favourite amp for lots of nice feedback and hammer away!

Tar.Aldarion

his favourite amp? felicia? marshall mathers?

It wasn't me!

He has a particular JCM800 that he favours above the rest. I can't remember whether he named it offhand.

OLDYELLAR

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

oh excuse me, here was i thinkin his voice had died and gone away, how can i take hime seriously even.When he's saying 'yeah' as many times in a sentence as he can,thing i hate about metallica is the the way they perform their good songs badly,i mean my God some of those live songs....
yet when performed well they are good songs,better than megadeaths imo

i say take kirks wah powers away from him and give kerrie another tremolo!

na have to say i disagree , keep on yeahing james!keep on wahing kirk!All fannytastic!

senordingdong

Father Jack wrote:

i)then to top it all off added insult to injury by usin his stuff to make up OVER 60% of Kill em all

Good god...we have been over this before.
Mustaine is credited to three songs on that album. THREE SONGS, no more. Also creditedd on these songs are Hetfield and Ulrich.
Now, here's where you should pay close attention....if all three get credit, then all three must have written it..therefore making it, that'e right, everybodies material....not Mustaines.
And, how did you get 60% out of three songs?

Father Jack wrote:

ii)as with regards to classical training...Cliff was OFFICIALLY the only classically trained member of metallica from the beginning...

Cliff was the only trained classically trained member, you're correct there.
However, the band have said on numerous occasions that Cliff taught them music theory, how to read music and generally all about being musical upon entering the band.
That's pretty obivous in the progression of their albums.

Father Jack wrote:

...and furthermore when the likes of Mustaine say they know no theory that does not mean they are just playin random notes,

....then what is he playing...if it's not actually music....then it must be.....?

~Rebel~

Just read through the entire thread and what leaps out is the fact that pretty much all of the Megadeth supporters know what they're talking about when it comes to metallica, but most (not all obviously) of the metallica supporters seem to just be saying Metallica are better without actually seeming to know anythin about megadeth. To be honest i dont mind a bit of metallica, have all their decent albums, but realistically Megadeth are just better. They basically defined/created what IS thrash metal. Its just depressing to see people saying Mustaine can't play guitar/knows nothing about music, because thats so ridiculously wrong. Just actually listen to Rust in peace, Peace sells, Countdown to extinction or for that matter any albums and you'll hear a serious amount of skill and talent so no point stooping to stupid comments, we're all intelligent people here (i hope). Metallica are pretty good and everything,but just strike me as Megadeth Lite. Just listen to diadems from from Hidden treasures to see a bit of megadeth range. and then you've got some crazy cool sh!t like Sweating bullitts, captive honour, countdown to extinction, holy wars, hangar 18, polaris, etc etc.

In terms of metallica copying megadeth, listen to the Victory riff and should sound familier (most ripped off riff in history, been stolen by everyone). I know someone's gonna say "youthanasia came after blah blah" but the riff was written years ago (and appears on several megadeth songs in small parts but gets its own song on youthanasia). Go to hell on hidden treasures also is a possibility for being ripped off. was released officially in 95, but i have a suspicion was written long before. if not then its just a major "**** you" to metallica, as it does have quite a piss take sound to it.

Anyway yes getting way too long here, sorry to those who wasted valuable minutes of their lives reading this, im afraid i can't give them back. well i could but i dont want to. Muahahaha. sorry. bye.

p.s i prefer megadeth by the way.

cournioni

senordingdong wrote:

Good god...we have been over this before.
Mustaine is credited to three songs on that album. THREE SONGS, no more. Also creditedd on these songs are Hetfield and Ulrich.
Now, here's where you should pay close attention....if all three get credit, then all three must have written it..therefore making it, that'e right, everybodies material....not Mustaines.
And, how did you get 60% out of three songs?

Mechani... Sorry I mean The Four Hoursemen, Jump In The Fire, Phantom Lord and Metal Militia were all wrote by Mustaine and slightly tweaked to avoid a lawsuit by Mustaine. These changes are the reasons why Ulrich and Hetfield claimed the credit for the songs.

So that is four songs, if you can count. Which means 40% of Kill Em All was written by Mustaine. Without these songs Metallica couldn't have released Kill Em All.

senordingdong wrote:

....then what is he playing...if it's not actually music....then it must be.....?

Please, please end that sentence. I'm begging you.

~Rebel~

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Treebeard

~Rebel~ wrote:

J. Go to hell on hidden treasures also is a possibility for being ripped off. was released officially in 95, but i have a suspicion was written long before. if not then its just a major "**** you" to metallica, as it does have quite a piss take sound to it..

GTH was written for the Bill and Ted soundtrack which came out in 1990 I believe

senordingdong

PORNAPSTER wrote:

slightly tweaked to avoid a lawsuit by Mustaine. These changes are the reasons why Ulrich and Hetfield claimed the credit for the songs.
So that is four songs, if you can count. Which means 40% of Kill Em All was written by Mustaine. Without these songs Metallica couldn't have released Kill Em All.

How do you know he wrote them? If Metallica used those songs, and Mustaine didn;t kick up a fuss, then I would get the impression that Hetfiled and Ulrich wrote more of those songs then Mustaine.

Now lets not drag my countign skills into this....the point is, Mustaine did not write 60% of Kill 'Em All, as Father Jack stated.
And I sincerely doubht he wrote every last bit of those four songs.

PORNAPSTER wrote:

Please, please end that sentence. I'm begging you.

I don't know what the end to that sentence is...I was asking Fr.Jack to tell me.

~Rebel~

Treebeard wrote:

GTH was written for the Bill and Ted soundtrack which came out in 1990 I believe

Thanks Treebeard, thought it was older alright. In that case, one must only listen to "go to hell" to see "enter sandman" was quite the bit of an idea rip off..

cournioni

senordingdong wrote:

How do you know he wrote them? If Metallica used those songs, and Mustaine didn;t kick up a fuss, then I would get the impression that Hetfiled and Ulrich wrote more of those songs then Mustaine.

Now lets not drag my countign skills into this....the point is, Mustaine did not write 60% of Kill 'Em All, as Father Jack stated.
And I sincerely doubht he wrote every last bit of those four songs.


I don't know what the end to that sentence is...I was asking Fr.Jack to tell me.

How do you know Metallica wrote them? Mustaine did actually kick up a fuss I think you'll find. Why didn't Queen and Bowie "kick up a fuss" over Vanilla Ice? Should Vanilla Ice get the credit for "his" bassline? No he shouldn't.

If you sincerely doubt that he wrote every last bit of those four songs you should check out Metallica's demo's.

Tar.Aldarion

"she hates me"

senordingdong

PORNAPSTER wrote:

How do you know Metallica wrote them? Mustaine did actually kick up a fuss I think you'll find. Why didn't Queen and Bowie "kick up a fuss" over Vanilla Ice? Should Vanilla Ice get the credit for "his" bassline? No he shouldn't.

I don't know for a fact that Metallica wrote them, I'm going by information given instead of personal feelings. The information I'm referring to is the album sleeve, whcih credits three people to writign that song. Not one.
The there's the case of bands that big not doing petty things like that.

I don't know why Queen/David Bowie didn't kick up a fuss, I thought they did.

PORNAPSTER wrote:

If you sincerely doubt that he wrote every last bit of those four songs you should check out Metallica's demo's.

Why? What will that prove?

It wasn't me!

The demos are froma time when Mustaine was playing guitar and thus show his influence on later material. Hetfield and Ulrich credit themselves with the song purely because of the subtle changes they made to it that allowed them to use it. :rolleyes:

senordingdong

It wasn't me! wrote:

The demos are froma time when Mustaine was playing guitar and thus show his influence on later material. Hetfield and Ulrich credit themselves with the song purely because of the subtle changes they made to it that allowed them to use it. :rolleyes:

What later material...you yourself said in anohter post that Metallicas sound had changed by their later material.

All this talk of 'subtle changes' sounds like biased opinions to me.
What factual evidence do any of you have for all of this?

cournioni

senordingdong wrote:

I don't know for a fact that Metallica wrote them, I'm going by information given instead of personal feelings. The information I'm referring to is the album sleeve, whcih credits three people to writign that song. Not one.
The there's the case of bands that big not doing petty things like that.

I don't know why Queen/David Bowie didn't kick up a fuss, I thought they did.

Why? What will that prove?

The information given to me is that Mustaine wrote those songs, he says that they were his songs and that Metallica shouldn't have used them. Metallica insist that he said nothing of the kind. Which tells you that they are in fact Mustaine's songs. This is on Megadeth: Behind The Scenes, if you are willing to check it out.

I don't think that is petty to be honest. I think that is just human, you want yourself to do well. And when someone steals your ideas to help their own cause, you have a right to be pissed off.

That is right, Queen/Bowie did. But they didn't bring Vanilla Ice to court. Why was this? Mustaine was doing the exact same thing he was kicking up a fuss, but he didn't bring them to court (because he was already being paid for the use of them). However money isn't everything, personal success is.

Metallica's demo's will show you how the songs on Kill Em All were changed slightly so that Hetfield/Ulrich could claim credit for the songs.

senordingdong

PORNAPSTER wrote:

The information given to me is that Mustaine wrote those songs, he says that they were his songs and that Metallica shouldn't have used them. Metallica insist that he said nothing of the kind. Which tells you that they are in fact Mustaine's songs. This is on Megadeth: Behind The Scenes, if you are willing to check it out.

I understand what you are saying but if other members of the band did some of the writign on the songs, that would make them that bands songs and not just one members. Maybe Metallica are using this train of thought.
I'll check out the behind the scenes thing.

PORNAPSTER wrote:

I don't think that is petty to be honest. I think that is just human, you want yourself to do well. And when someone steals your ideas to help their own cause, you have a right to be pissed off.

Yeah, I agree that he hass the right to be pissed off, but it seems as though Metallica were of the impression that the songs belonged to the band and not just one member or ex-memeber,

PORNAPSTER wrote:

That is right, Queen/Bowie did. But they didn't bring Vanilla Ice to court. Why was this? Mustaine was doing the exact same thing he was kicking up a fuss, but he didn't bring them to court (because he was already being paid for the use of them). However money isn't everything, personal success is.

If you'er saying that Mustaine accepted a pay off than it really doesn't help is case.

PORNAPSTER wrote:

Metallica's demo's will show you how the songs on Kill Em All were changed slightly so that Hetfield/Ulrich could claim credit for the songs.

From the demos and bootlegs that I have seen/heard it seems that the changes made were no more than simple tweaks.

Father Jack

hahahaha...its amazing how many times SENORDINGDONG has misquoted and misread my posts on this thread,

i've only jus gone through it now and seen at least three misunderstandings,

you know its one thing to disagree but to not even know what your disagreeing about is jus hilarious, why dont you READ my posts before replying to them senordingdong, you've also been poorly tackling pornapster

Tar.Aldarion

megadeath are too cheesy i think and i cant take a lot of their songs seriously

Pistol Pete

<OldYellar> I still tink Metallica r better!! Dey Rule So Much!11 Loool

senordingdong

Good man Jack.
Seriosuly like, well done.