Metallica or Megadeth

Geiger

For me its got to be Megadeth. Both bands have released some excellent albums though I think Megadeth have been more consistent over the years. Looking forward to seeing what Mustaine's gonna do about the new Megadeth/Dave Mustaine record. Mustaine = Megadeth so it's all good.

pbsuxok1znja4r

Hmmm tough one...I do prefer Megadeth lyrics. Its too close too call for me.

projectmayhem

yeah but now mustaine is a die-hard catholic nihilist psycho who wont play with death metal bands because of their satanism.

he's turning into metallica

tyu

Megadeth Are Still Doing Great Songs Like Black Mail The Universe The Last Album Is Only Ok But Metallica Are All New Metal And They Suck But Anything Before Master Of Puppets Is Great But It Would Never Beat Megadeth

Plus

Metallica Are Sell Outs.......they Did A Movie

Geiger

projectmayhem wrote:

yeah but now mustaine is a die-hard catholic nihilist psycho who wont play with death metal bands because of their satanism.

he's turning into metallica

Turning into Metallica in what kinda way?

senordingdong

He's going soft on us.

Treebeard

Nothing to do with Metallica but here's a page I found with some Megadeth videos for anyone who's interested

http://megadeth.uw.hu/videos.html

Take No Prisoners is Godly

JKSIII

I figured I'd end this thread since I know more than most people here.

1. Metallica did NOT "rip off" mustaine. Mustaine's music that was used was done so under fair usage law. Metallica had every legal right to use to because mustaine didn't make himself the sole copyright holder.

2. Metallica didn't get famous because of mustaine. Only ONE of mustaine's songs could be considered at "hit" If it was because of mustaine that metallica got famous, wouldn't logic dictate that mustaine himself should be at least equally as famous?

3. Someone said something about is it coincidence that metallica went downhill after mustaine and burton were gone. Well, last time I checked, hetfield wrote all the riffs save for the 6 mustaine songs. Besides, it's not much of a coincidence when you look at the fact that mustaine went just as far downhill as metallica.

4. On a musicianship level, everyone that has ever been in megadeth save for their current lineup has been better musicians than members of metallica, with the exception of bass. Every metallica bassist is or was better than both megadeth bassists. Problem is you can cram as many notes and riffs into a song as you want, but that doesn't make the song good. That's why metallica got more popular, they're better songwriters as opposed to megadeth overall being better musicians

5. Lyrically they have been pretty level most of their careers, but megadeth took a turn forthe worse with their latest. Mustaine pulled a move out of a rapper's playbook with the song "something I'm not". I don't carehow bad someone might find the lyrics to st. anger to be, at least they aren't whining about former bandmates after 20+ years.

JKSIII

PORNAPSTER wrote:

In fairness lad, get your head out of Lars' arse. It is a fact that Metallica ripped off that song.

I just disproved your little "fact"

JKSIII

Patricide wrote:

Look its ridiculusly easy to answer this question,in terms of absolutely everything megadeth beat and in some cases kick the hole off metallica,

first of all talent:mustaine would beat hammet and hetfields asses at a guitar off and every other guitarist thats ever played with megadeth on lead is as good if not better than him,all the various drummers show far more flair than that retard lars also,then theres elfson,although he is exelent cliff destroys him,he beats newstead and although a lot of people dont think this just cuz he got in on a **** album rob is better than elfson at playing.

Agree with the most part except that dave isn't that great at leads. Chris poland is a better lead player and marty wipes the floor with mustaine. Lead wise, kirk and dave are pretty evenly matched.

then theres songwriting-well heres where its all subjective but if you think of i correct you see that megadeth are better at writing music and dont give me any sh!t bout metallica being better cuz if your a true metalhead and not some retard who likes st. anger(possibly the worst album ever)youll understand that there is no need for a light song to sell out with. Metallica though i have to admit wrote better lyrics back in the days of the first 4 albums but ever since black album theyve been terrible,eg invisible kid.megadeth however keep there great lyrics throughout.

HOLY BIASED COMMENTS, BATMAN! Ever hear of 'risk', you know, the album with a song that mustaine admitted he was trying to sell out with? With borderline POP songs on it? What about megadeth's latest album, with lyrics that whine about other bandmembers afetr 20 years of dave not being able to get over his problems?

theres singing then,a lot of people dislike mustaines singing style but it has a load more passion in it than james.

Please. The black album alone displays more range, harmony, and emotion than dave's entire catalogue.

then lastly theres the fact they never sold out well not to metallicas extent anyway....st.anger anyone?

You're right, megadeth sold out to a further extent......risk anyone?

JKSIII

toffo wrote:

Without Mustaine, Metallica wouldn't be as successful. Probably would have split years ago.

I've never seen such a short post containt such a vast amount of wrong before.

JKSIII

PORNAPSTER wrote:

Mechani... Sorry I mean The Four Hoursemen, Jump In The Fire, Phantom Lord and Metal Militia were all wrote by Mustaine and slightly tweaked to avoid a lawsuit by Mustaine. These changes are the reasons why Ulrich and Hetfield claimed the credit for the songs.

Wrong. 1. There could NEVER be a lawsuit because metallica was legally entitled to use the material to beigin with because with the exeption of "mechanix", james contributed riffs to every other mustaine co written song. The only thing altered was the middle bridge section of TFH.

So that is four songs, if you can count. Which means 40% of Kill Em All was written by Mustaine. Without these songs Metallica couldn't have released Kill Em All.

They could have written other songs, but why would they? All the songs were in FACT, metallica songs. Look up copyright and fair usage law.

JKSIII

tyu wrote:

Plus

Metallica Are Sell Outs.......they Did A Movie

Need I remind you about someone in a certain other band featured prominantly in that movie?

senordingdong

JKSIII wrote:

Need I remind you about someone in a certain other band featured prominantly in that movie?

Crying about how he constantly lives in Metallicas shadow, despite Megadeth apparently being better.

Not to mention that he admitted that if he could change time and stay in Metallica, he would.

JKSIII

senordingdong wrote:

He's going soft on us.

Mustaine went softer than metallica ever did.

mp3guy

JKSIII wrote:

Mustaine went softer than metallica ever did.

Just still can't deny mustaine made metallica what it was. He practically invented speed metal. It seems that metallica probably used mustaines material/influence up to Black, where they began thinking for themselves, and look what came out, Load&Reload :rolleyes:

JKSIII

*sigh, silly uninformed n00bs.

mp3guy wrote:

Just still can't deny mustaine made metallica what it was.

Of course that can be denied because he did NOT make them what they were. FACT. He wrote/co wrote SIX songs, and half of them are bad.

He practically invented speed metal.

Metallica was thrash/speed before mustaine joined.

It seems that metallica probably used mustaines material/influence up to Black, where they began thinking for themselves, and look what came out, Load&Reload :rolleyes:

In REALITY, what came ou after they didn't use any of mustaine's material was the best songs off ride the lightning, all of master of puppetts, ajfa, and tba. If dave was the riff genius you claimed to be, prhaps he wouldn't have released cw, risk and twnah.

mp3guy

JKSIII wrote:

*sigh, silly uninformed n00bs.Of course that can be denied because he did NOT make them what they were. FACT. He wrote/co wrote SIX songs, and half of them are bad. Metallica was thrash/speed before mustaine joined.
In REALITY, what came ou after they didn't use any of mustaine's material was the best songs off ride the lightning, all of master of puppetts, ajfa, and tba. If dave was the riff genius you claimed to be, prhaps he wouldn't have released cw, risk and twnah.

I'm a n00b? You're the one with 10 posts :rolleyes: . Of course he made them what they were, he was one of the founding members. James and Lars got together, and quite soon after, mustaine jumped on the band wagon. Those six songs aren't bad, and if you thing they are, you shouldn't even be in this thread. Mustaine was the one who initially thought up speed metal. If you read up and what they did in their early days, mustaine used to listen to songs with lars, and suggest things like more solos etc... And, its kind of hard for them to be thrash/speed before mustaine joined, when he was their first lead guitarist. Of course he's a riff genius, try play holy wars and sing, or master of puppets? Which is easier? At the end of the day, metallica were more of a mainstream success, but megadeth are technically and skillfully better.

JKSIII

mp3guy wrote:

I'm a n00b? You're the one with 10 posts :rolleyes: .

N00b is also an attitude and state of mind.

Of course he made them what they were, he was one of the founding members.

Nope, wrong again. I already proved how he did NOT make them what they were.

James and Lars got together, and quite soon after, mustaine jumped on the band wagon.

After they already recorded some songs with lloyd grant playing leads.

Those six songs aren't bad, and if you thing they are, you shouldn't even be in this thread.

Perhaps the fact that you can't read means YOU shouldn't be in the thread. I said HALF the songs suck. Metal militia sucks. Phantom lord sucks. Jump in the fire sucks.

Mustaine was the one who initially thought up speed metal.

Sorry, like I already said, they were playing thrash songs before mustaine joined.

If you read up and what they did in their early days, mustaine used to listen to songs with lars, and suggest things like more solos etc...

Get your facts straight. It was JAMES who would listen to the songs with lars and come up with ideas, arrangements, leads etc...

And, its kind of hard for them to be thrash/speed before mustaine joined, when he was their first lead guitarist.

Lloyd grant.

Of course he's a riff genius, try play holy wars and sing, or master of puppets? Which is easier?

Ok, perhaps you misunderstood me. You're going off on how dave is soooooo much better than metallica because of metallica releasing load/reload etc, when if he was as great as you wish he was he wouldn't have released crap albums like cryptic writings, risk and the world needs a hero.

At the end of the day, metallica were more of a mainstream success, but megadeth are technically and skillfully better.

I said megadeth were better musicians than metallica except for bassists, what's your point?

It wasn't me!

Nobody advocating Metallica can waffle about crap albums Megadeth have released. The Black Album, Load, Reload, St. Anger? These ringing any bells? S&M too, to a lesser extent. They overstretched themselves on that one.

And you "proved" nothing. You said a lot, but you "proved" nothing. :rolleyes:

mp3guy

Yeah, saying isn't proving. The bottom line, as I said, deth technically better, met mainstream better. The end.

senordingdong

It wasn't me! wrote:

Nobody advocating Metallica can waffle about crap albums Megadeth have released. The Black Album, Load, Reload, St. Anger?

I can.

If you knew anything about good music you would be able to appreciate those albums.
I didn't particularly like Black album but I it's still a good album.
Load was brilliant, I still love it.
Re-load was a half and half of good songs-mediocor songs...a general dissapointment.
And for all the **** people have to say about St. Anger, I still feel it's one of the best nu-metal albums I've ever heard.

I could go on a bout Cryptic Writings, Risk and The World Needs A Hero but the point being made was that if you all are going to whine about Load & Reload etc... while praising the infallable Megadeth, don't forget about the three Megadeth albums listed above.

mp3guy

senordingdong wrote:

Cryptic Writings, Risk and The World Needs A Hero but the point being made was that if you all are going to whine about Load & Reload etc... while praising the infallable Megadeth, don't forget about the three Megadeth albums listed above.

Cryptic Writings, FFF, She-Wolf, Trust
Risk, doesn't exactly count, as it was an experimental album, as was St. Anger, so we'll ignore that too.
The World Needs A Hero, Burning Bridges, Return To Hanger, Recipe For Hate... Warhorse

I'm sorry, but whats your problem? Theres no point discussing these albums, both bands went down when they reached a certain age. Met went down after black, Deth went down after youth.

senordingdong

mp3guy wrote:

I'm sorry, but whats your problem? Theres no point discussing these albums, both bands went down when they reached a certain age.

Good to see that you're paying attention.

mp3guy

senordingdong wrote:

Good to see that you're paying attention.

Yes teacher :rolleyes:

JKSIII

It wasn't me! wrote:

Nobody advocating Metallica can waffle about crap albums Megadeth have released. The Black Album, Load, Reload, St. Anger? These ringing any bells? S&M too, to a lesser extent. They overstretched themselves on that one.

Countdown to extinction [you know, the one where megadeth tried to copy metallica] CW, risk [you know, the pop album] Those ring any bells?

And you "proved" nothing. You said a lot, but you "proved" nothing. :rolleyes:

Oh no, they're proven. Taken straight from a metallica bio. Sorry. :rolleyes:

mp3guy

JKSIII wrote:

Countdown to extinction [you know, the one where megadeth tried to copy metallica] CW, risk [you know, the pop album] Those ring any bells?

Oh no, they're proven. Taken straight from a metallica bio. Sorry. :rolleyes:

How did countdown copy metallica? I didn't hear much wham pedal, and i could actually hear the bass and double bass on the album... doens't seem to match.

Strange, I can't remember the last pop album that used double bass and distortion on guitars, and has songs about lucifer...

JKSIII

mp3guy wrote:

How did countdown copy metallica? I didn't hear much wham pedal, and i could actually hear the bass and double bass on the album... doens't seem to match.

1. What's a wham pedal?
2. I hear the bass just fine on metallica songs
3. I also hear plenty of doublre bass.

Ok, megadeth saw he success metallica had with TBA, and copied it. They copied the change in direction. [from thrash to a more "balanced metal". They copied the production. Rip and ajfa are 2 of the worst produced albums in each band's catalogue. Metallica decided to beef up their sound and megadeth turned right around and did the same thing. Megadeth copied lyrical themes. Prior to TBA, the majority of metallica's lyrics delt with pseudo=political themes, then on TBA went to a more inner self theme from james, just like mustaine did when he followed on CTE.

Strange, I can't remember the last pop album that used double bass and distortion on guitars, and has songs about lucifer...

Risk.

mp3guy

JKSIII wrote:

1. What's a wham pedal?
2. I hear the bass just fine on metallica songs
3. I also hear plenty of doublre bass.

Ok, megadeth saw he success metallica had with TBA, and copied it. They copied the change in direction. [from thrash to a more "balanced metal". They copied the production. Rip and ajfa are 2 of the worst produced albums in each band's catalogue. Metallica decided to beef up their sound and megadeth turned right around and did the same thing. Megadeth copied lyrical themes. Prior to TBA, the majority of metallica's lyrics delt with pseudo=political themes, then on TBA went to a more inner self theme from james, just like mustaine did when he followed on CTE.

Risk.

1. You know, the kind of pedal that makes kirk's solos go all wah-wah
2. Normally you have to strain your ears to hear anything. AJFA had no bass on it at all I believe. Some guy put the bass in himself, google it and see the difference
3. Try hear any double bass with a subwoofer

TBA and countdown are two very different albums, they didn't copy production, lar's double bass is few and far between on TBA, and bass is still alot clearer on countdown. And theres no epic slight echo effect on countdown, as there is on TBA (try the sad but true snare). And as far as inner self lyrics on countdown, where? What song?

senordingdong

What date was Countdown released again?

Just out of curiosity.