Metallica or Megadeth

mp3guy

countdown was out in '92, black was '91

JKSIII

senordingdong wrote:

What date was Countdown released again?

Just out of curiosity.

July 14, 1992.

It wasn't me!

It's one thing for a band to try new things, but for a band like Metallica, who were a thrash band from the start, to actually go to the trouble of trying to be as mainstream as possible with the Black Album, that's just consumerism at its worst. I have no respect for someone who's in that business with nothing in mind but making profits. It's an art, not a corporation.

Mr.Whistle

Has anyone mentioned Rammstein here, the voice makes a big difference, and cultural themes.

JKSIII

It wasn't me! wrote:

It's one thing for a band to try new things, but for a band like Metallica, who were a thrash band from the start, to actually go to the trouble of trying to be as mainstream as possible with the Black Album, that's just consumerism at its worst. I have no respect for someone who's in that business with nothing in mind but making profits. It's an art, not a corporation.

Yet you make no mention of megadeth despite them doing the exact same thing.

bonzai bob

I'm sorry i don't get this 'metallica going all mainstream' bollox. Metallica just changed with the times people get fúckin used to it. Because a band change their sound slightly you all start ****in crying, jesus!!:rolleyes:

If you all think that one band should stick to the same sound for their whole career maybe you should start listening to Travis or Oasis ffs.

Metallica do nothing but write what they want to write, do you think if they cared about being 'mainstream' they would have released St Anger? Give them some credit for their originality at least.

Karl Hungus

bonzai bob wrote:

Give them some credit for their originality at least.

No.

senordingdong

It wasn't me! wrote:

It's one thing for a band to try new things, but for a band like Metallica, who were a thrash band from the start,

So they grew out of thrash and cut their hair, you might too some day.

It wasn't me!

bonzai bob wrote:

I'm sorry i don't get this 'metallica going all mainstream' bollox. Metallica just changed with the times people get fúckin used to it. Because a band change their sound slightly you all start ****in crying, jesus!!:rolleyes:

If you all think that one band should stick to the same sound for their whole career maybe you should start listening to Travis or Oasis ffs.

Metallica do nothing but write what they want to write, do you think if they cared about being 'mainstream' they would have released St Anger? Give them some credit for their originality at least.

St Anger?! You mean that awful piece of nu-metal tripe, that was released at the time of nu-metal's popularity, and desperately trying to fit in with it? :rolleyes: Sure, I'll give them every ounce of credit due for their originality in that respect, but I don't think there's a small enough number to describe it. :rolleyes: And they didn't change their sound "sligthly". They basically became a different band. Stuff from Ride the Lightning is not the same as stuff from the Black Album. It's a different band at that stage, with nothing on their mind but money, and drawing in as many people as possible.

And Megadeth went to nowhere near the same extent as Metallica Inc. did. Also, to the oh-so-intelligent person telling me I might grow out of thrash and cut my hair someday, thanks, but I have short hair for starters. And that wasn't the point. Thrash was what they did well, and they haven't done anything worthwhile since they stopped making thrash. Also, why grow out of thrash? Speed, energy, aggression and technical skill. What more can I ask for in music?

JKSIII

It wasn't me! wrote:

And Megadeth went to nowhere near the same extent as Metallica Inc. did.

You're right, because metallica at their worst is still hard rock at worst. MEgadeth at their worst was borderline POP.

Thrash was what they did well, and they haven't done anything worthwhile since they stopped making thrash.

Then the same logic MUST apply to megadeth, right?

Also, why grow out of thrash? Speed, energy, aggression and technical skill. What more can I ask for in music?

That's what YOU ask for in music, but that differs from person to person.

bonzai bob

It wasn't me! wrote:

St Anger?! You mean that awful piece of nu-metal tripe, that was released at the time of nu-metal's popularity, and desperately trying to fit in with it? :rolleyes: Sure, I'll give them every ounce of credit due for their originality in that respect, but I don't think there's a small enough number to describe it. :rolleyes: And they didn't change their sound "sligthly". They basically became a different band. Stuff from Ride the Lightning is not the same as stuff from the Black Album. It's a different band at that stage, with nothing on their mind but money, and drawing in as many people as possible.

Yeah, so it's a different band, so what? what exactly is your point? I don't know what you're listening to lately but St Anger is certainly not 'Nu Metal'.

I just can't believe you're complaining because one album does sound the same as a previous album. News Flash: That's a GOOD thing!:rolleyes:

Please provide links that backup your statement that money is all that's on their mind?

cournioni

News flash for you pal. Metallica's ideas dried up since Mustaine and Burton were no longer in the band. They have been relying on Chris... I mean Bob Rock to give them inspiration which is why they've been releasing such ****e lately. They'll never write another decent album again because of this.

bonzai bob

PORNAPSTER wrote:

News flash for you pal. Metallica's ideas dried up since Mustaine and Burton were no longer in the band. They have been relying on Chris... I mean Bob Rock to give them inspiration which is why they've been releasing such ****e lately. They'll never write another decent album again because of this.

ya see this is what we call an 'opinion'. Get it?

skregs

PORNAPSTER wrote:

Metallica's ideas dried up since Mustaine and Burton were no longer in the band.

i suppose it helps if you forget that they wrote One and the black album without Mustaine/Burton

senordingdong

It wasn't me! wrote:

St Anger?! You mean that awful piece of nu-metal tripe, that was released at the time of nu-metal's popularity,

You're a little off there pal, the nu-metal fad was all but gone at that stagem it was emo that was 'in' at that time.

It wasn't me! wrote:

Stuff from Ride the Lightning is not the same as stuff from the Black Album. It's a different band at that stage,

Yeah, they grew out of it.

It wasn't me! wrote:

with nothing on their mind but money, and drawing in as many people as possible.

How could money possibly be their goal?
They have more money then is possible to count.

It wasn't me! wrote:

And Megadeth went to nowhere near the same extent as Metallica Inc.did.

Why's that?
Because they couldn't do it? Because they even failed at 'selling out'?

It wasn't me! wrote:

And that wasn't the point.

Sure it was, they grew out of it. Hence why they don't do it anymore.

It wasn't me! wrote:

Thrash was what they did well, and they haven't done anything worthwhile since they stopped making thrash.

So you're saying anything that isn't thrash isn't worth listening to?

cournioni

skregs wrote:

i suppose it helps if you forget that they wrote One and the black album without Mustaine/Burton

Yeah, the Black album really was a great album wasn't it?! :rolleyes:

True they wrote One without Mustaine/Burton, for which credit must be given.

It wasn't me!

One is a good song, but one great song out of how many, have they written without the help of either of those two? Metallica were a thrash band. They should have stayed as such. Playing slow music is not what got them to where they are now and it shouldn't be keeping them there. I love early Metallica, but Pornapster's right, they haven't released anything, bar One, of note since they lost Mustaine and Burton. How can poeple like the Black Album too? It's barely music, and it's far from Metallica!

JKSIII

PORNAPSTER wrote:

News flash for you pal. Metallica's ideas dried up since Mustaine and Burton were no longer in the band.

Newsflash for you pal, mustaine contributed to SIX songs and burton only contributed harmonies. Hetfield wrote the riffs on MOP, AJFA etc. Get your facts straight.

They have been relying on Chris... I mean Bob Rock to give them inspiration which is why they've been releasing such ****e lately.

Yeah, and what inspired crap like risk, britney spears?

They'll never write another decent album again because of this.

Same with megadeth. *yawn.

bonzai bob

It wasn't me! wrote:

One is a good song, but one great song out of how many, have they written without the help of either of those two? Metallica were a thrash band. They should have stayed as such. Playing slow music is not what got them to where they are now and it shouldn't be keeping them there. I love early Metallica, but Pornapster's right, they haven't released anything, bar One, of note since they lost Mustaine and Burton. How can poeple like the Black Album too? It's barely music, and it's far from Metallica!

seriously, god help any band that you're in...

''Yeah, lads, i don't like this song cos, well, it doesn't really sound like the others we've done, you know what i mean like? lets stick to what we know best yeah, like the low E string mmk''

:rolleyes:

JKSIII

It wasn't me! wrote:

One is a good song, but one great song out of how many, have they written without the help of either of those two?

Plenty. Look at the writing creditas.

Metallica were a thrash band.

So was megadeth.

They should have stayed as such.

So should've megadeth.

Playing slow music is not what got them to where they are now and it shouldn't be keeping them there.

Slow music isn't what got megadeth where they are, and shouldn't be keeping them there.

I love early Metallica, but Pornapster's right, they haven't released anything, bar One, of note since they lost Mustaine and Burton.

So by your own logic, I guess megadeth hasn't released anythingof notee since RIP, right?

How can poeple like the Black Album too?

Because not everyone is you, thank god.

It's barely music, and it's far from Metallica!

That's funny, because it is more musical than everything they've done prior. They focused more on musicianship rather than nothing but power chords. They introduced more harmony and melody into their music with that album.

cournioni

bonzai bob wrote:

seriously, god help any band that you're in...

''Yeah, lads, i don't like this song cos, well, it doesn't really sound like the others we've done, you know what i mean like? lets stick to what we know best yeah, like the low E string mmk''

:rolleyes:

So you'd go against everything you stood for just to get more fame and money by writing **** music. Good for you.

cournioni

JKSIII wrote:

Newsflash for you pal, mustaine contributed to SIX songs and burton only contributed harmonies. Hetfield wrote the riffs on MOP, AJFA etc. Get your facts straight.

Yeah, and what inspired crap like risk, britney spears?

Same with megadeth. *yawn.

Read what I wrote again. I said their influence was the reason why Metallica actually had some decent music back in the 80's. Do yourself a favour, close your eyes and take a deep breath before typing again.

Maybe so, but at least Mustaine admitted he sold out on that album, and at least he wrote it himself rather than going around pinching songs like Metallica.

I think you'll find that "The System Has Failed" is a very good album. Even TWNAH is better than anything Metallica is likely to release again.

bonzai bob

PORNAPSTER wrote:

So you'd go against everything you stood for just to get more fame and money by writing **** music. Good for you.

What. The. Fúck?

Did you even read what i wrote???

mp3guy

PORNAPSTER wrote:

Maybe so, but at least Mustaine admitted he sold out on that album, and at least he wrote it himself rather than going around pinching songs like Metallica.

Yup, I second that. Try this on for size JKSIII; Metallica stole the intro riff to "Enter Sandman" from the song "Tapping Into the Emotional Void" by Excel. Enter Sandman 1991, Tapping Into The Emotional Void, 1989. Looks like they really did run out of stuff after mustaine/burton left.

JKSIII

PORNAPSTER wrote:

Read what I wrote again. I said their influence was the reason why Metallica actually had some decent music back in the 80's. Do yourself a favour, close your eyes and take a deep breath before typing again.

Uh huh.

PORNAPSTER wrote:

Metallica's ideas dried up since Mustaine and Burton were no longer in the band.

How about you do yourself a favor, close your eyes, take a deep breath and actually read YOUR OWN POSTS before typing again.

Maybe so, but at least Mustaine admitted he sold out on that album, and at least he wrote it himself rather than going around pinching songs like Metallica.

Actually the producer helped write those songs. At least bob rock never helped write metallica songs.

I think you'll find that "The System Has Failed" is a very good album.

Nah, tired and generic. nothing memorable about it.

Even TWNAH is better than anything Metallica is likely to release again.

Hell, I'd listen to the backstreet boys before I'd listen to twnah or risk. I have my standards.

JKSIII

mp3guy wrote:

Yup, I second that. Try this on for size JKSIII; Metallica stole the intro riff to "Enter Sandman" from the song "Tapping Into the Emotional Void" by Excel. Enter Sandman 1991, Tapping Into The Emotional Void, 1989. Looks like they really did run out of stuff after mustaine/burton left.

Look at the music n00b dropping that reference like he's breaking some kind of news.

It's not that similar. There's only three notes that are the same.

Nice try though.

Doctor J

JKSIII wrote:

At least bob rock never helped write metallica songs.

Ummm you may want to reconsider that statement.

mp3guy

JKSIII wrote:

Look at the music n00b dropping that reference like he's breaking some kind of news.

It's not that similar. There's only three notes that are the same.

Nice try though.

You don't know anything about me, and you're definately not a musical know it all, it just seems the way you're argueing, you'd swear you've never heard about that. And, of course its the same riff.

JKSIII wrote:

Actually the producer helped write those songs. At least bob rock never helped write metallica songs.

http://www.metallica.com/Media/Albums/albums.asp

Seems you're the musical n00b , bob rock co wrote every song on St. Anger, you said he never wrote any songs, looks like YOU'RE wrong, thats right, YOU'RE wrong.

bonzai bob

not that i give a **** if he wrote the songs or not, not that it matters anyway:rolleyes: . I just want to make it clear that bob rock did play bass on the album so he's obviously gonna get a credit on the songs.

mp3guy

No he didn't, he wrote the songs, but he didn't play bass on the album, Robert Trujillo did.