Metallica or Megadeth

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JKSIII wrote:

Hell, I'd listen to the backstreet boys before I'd listen to twnah or risk. I have my standards.

I think this says it all. Thank you.

Doctor J

He also pieced together the riffs on pro tools into song structures, participated in the riff writing seesions and the lyric writing sessions. The guy wrote as much of stanger as anyone else.

The producer has a big say in songs, more often in arrangement, but a big role nonetheless. For example, Sad But True was originally an awful lot faster, it was Bob Rock's idea (and he had to fight the band) to slow it down to what he saw as the ideal tempo for the song. This changed the song dramatically, the version you all know is almost unrecogniseable from the demo James and Lars created. So he has shaped Metallicas songs from the moment he worked for them (and co wrote all of stanger), which is what you'd expect from any good producer.

Doctor J

mp3guy wrote:

No he didn't, he wrote the songs, but he didn't play bass on the album, Robert Trujillo did.

Rob Trujilllo doesn't play a note on stanger. Bob Rock played all the bass tracks (read the inlay ffs)

bonzai bob

that's some swift editing Doc!

Doctor J

Ta

I got my s and l mixed up

mp3guy

Doctor J wrote:

Rob Trujilllo doesn't play a note on stanger. Bob Rock played all the bass tracks (read the inlay ffs)

hmm, looks like i'm wrong. Oh well. He did play on the dvd though.

Doctor J

Yup, but those live tracks were recorded a few days after he joined the band and long after stanger had been finished.

JKSIII

Doctor J wrote:

Ummm you may want to reconsider that statement.

No I wouldn't, what I said was the truth. Learn your facts.

JKSIII

mp3guy wrote:

You don't know anything about me, and you're definately not a musical know it all, it just seems the way you're argueing, you'd swear you've never heard about that. And, of course its the same riff.

Judging by your posts,and how little you have demonstrated you know about music, It's a reasonable assumption to make that I know more than you.

http://www.metallica.com/Media/Albums/albums.asp

Seems you're the musical n00b , bob rock co wrote every song on St. Anger, you said he never wrote any songs, looks like YOU'RE wrong, thats right, YOU'RE wrong.

Wow, not only are you a musical n00b, but you can't even read. Bob played on the album, that's why he's listed. He contributed nothing to the writing process except lyric IDEAS, like the way he came up with the title some kind of monster as demonstrated in the movie of the same name. Looks like YOU'RE wrong again, that's right YOU'RE wrong again.

JKSIII

mp3guy wrote:

No he didn't, he wrote the songs, but he didn't play bass on the album, Robert Trujillo did.

Look who's wrong again!

Rob wasn't even in the band when st. anger was finished recording. He only got there in time to play on the dvd that came with it.

Another FACT for ya.

JKSIII

PORNAPSTER wrote:

I think this says it all. Thank you.

Yes, it says that risk and twnah are worse than backstreet boys material. Pretty sad, isn't it?

You're welcome.

JKSIII

Doctor J wrote:

He also pieced together the riffs on pro tools into song structures, participated in the riff writing seesions and the lyric writing sessions. The guy wrote as much of stanger as anyone else.

No. Like I said, he helped out with lyric ideas and that's it. He didn't come up with any of the riffs at all.

mp3guy

JKSIII wrote:

Look who's wrong again!

Rob wasn't even in the band when st. anger was finished recording. He only got there in time to play on the dvd that came with it.

Another FACT for ya.

A bit late there with that one, aren't we? If i may refer you to http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2831943&postcount=247

But, what are we argueing about again, I've forgotten.

Doctor J

JKSIII wrote:

No. Like I said, he helped out with lyric ideas and that's it. He didn't come up with any of the riffs at all.

That's not it at all. Have you watched the DVD? He pieced together their riffs on pro tools. He made the songs like piecing together a jigsaw.

JKSIII

Doctor J wrote:

That's not it at all. Have you watched the DVD? He pieced together their riffs on pro tools. He made the songs like piecing together a jigsaw.

Did you read what I wrote?

JKSIII

mp3guy wrote:

A bit late there with that one, aren't we? If i may refer you to http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2831943&postcount=247

Good, now if you'll actually read that and see what post number that is, you'll see thatthe one I quoted is much earlier. Besides, it couldn't hurt to reinforce facts.

mp3guy

JKSIII wrote:

Did you read what I wrote?

Obviously he did, but you were wrong. Or, he seems to think. Anyway, without solid official proof, no ones right, so you're wasting your time, and net time

JKSIII

mp3guy wrote:

Obviously he did, but you were wrong.

Actually, I was quite correct, as the movie backs me up.

Or, he seems to think. Anyway, without solid official proof, no ones right, so you're wasting your time, and net time

The film is proof, the countless interviews I've read are proof.

Doctor J

JKSIII wrote:

Did you read what I wrote?

Yes. Perhaps you should return the favour.

mp3guy

JKSIII wrote:

Actually, I was quite correct, as the movie backs me up. The film is proof, the countless interviews I've read are proof.

I've not seen them, so I don't give a ****, and interviews, YOU'VE read? :rolleyes:

JKSIII

Doctor J wrote:

Yes.

Ok, what part of it wasn't clear?

JKSIII

mp3guy wrote:

I've not seen them, so I don't give a ****, and interviews, YOU'VE read? :rolleyes:

I'm assuming you know how to use a search engine.......

Doctor J

It was crystal. However saying "Like I said, he helped out with lyric ideas and that's it" is false. That's all I'm pointing out.

mp3guy

JKSIII wrote:

I'm assuming you know how to use a search engine.......

You're just depicting typical internet arguement mentallity. Arrogant, smart assed, always "right" and never to be proved wrong. I know, because everyone's like that too. Incase you haven't noticed (which you probably have, but you got too wrapped up in this tiny little forum topic), this is not called "try and find every single technicality and hack away at it", it's called "Metallica or Megadeth". But I don't care, because, at the end of the day, these messages boards are just a game, which never ends. No one ever wins arguements, so this post is pretty pointless, but like i said, i don't care, and i'm pretty sure no one else does.

JKSIII

Doctor J wrote:

It was crystal. However saying "Like I said, he helped out with lyric ideas and that's it" is false. That's all I'm pointing out.

You misunderstand. I'm talking about actual writing. Al he did was contribute lyric ideas, which is why he's listed in the credits. You don't get writing credits for putting the songs together like lars wants you to [as lars does all the aranging, which is why he's listed in every song writing credit, all he does is arrange]

Doctor J

I disagree, he also played a big role in piecing together the riffs and he participated in (ie - he may not have directly written riffs and therefore would have influenced) the jam sessions which generated the riffs. He had a big role to play in stanger, far beyond a mere lyric contributor.

JKSIII

mp3guy wrote:

You're just depicting typical internet arguement mentallity.

Why, because you're to lazy to get some info before posting?

Arrogant, smart assed, always "right" and never to be proved wrong.

That's because I know more on this topic than you.

I know, because everyone's like that too. Incase you haven't noticed (which you probably have, but you got too wrapped up in this tiny little forum topic), this is not called "try and find every single technicality and hack away at it", it's called "Metallica or Megadeth".

Yes, and I point ut inconsistancies in people's posts. I can't stand ignorant fans who don't know their facts. That's why I'm quite notorious on both the metallica and megadeth forums.

But I don't care, because, at the end of the day, these messages boards are just a game, which never ends.

Indeed.

No one ever wins arguements, so this post is pretty pointless, but like i said, i don't care, and i'm pretty sure no one else does.

Then why do you keep responding to something you quite simply are wrong about?

JKSIII

Doctor J wrote:

I disagree, he also played a big role in piecing together the riffs

That's lars' job. If lars didn't do the arranging, he would have no writing credits.

and he participated in (ie - he may not have directly written riffs and therefore would have influenced)

Thank you.

the jam sessions which generated the riffs.

Of corse he participated, he was the studio bassist when they were all jamming, of course, james also contributed bass parts, but you don't get writing credit for bass lines.

He had a big role to play in stanger, far beyond a mere lyric contributor.

Yeah, he played bass on it.

Doctor J

His role, as a producer, is to guide and influence the music. He was involved in a greater role on stanger, as even a cursory glance at the movie will disclose. Being an integral part of the writing process, both musically and lyrically, means he had a greater than usual role in the music. He pieced together stanger, certainly Lars does a lot with the arrangements, but so does the producer, with practically every band who have a producer workl with them, just look at the movie. So "At least bob rock never helped write metallica songs" is false, simple as that.

I'm just repeating myself here, this is just stupidly going around in circles. Goodnight to trolls all over the world.

Doctor J

JKSIII wrote:

At least bob rock never helped write metallica songs

JKSIII wrote:

Al he did was contribute lyric ideas

:rolleyes: