wow: Any feral druids?

Dustaz

while reading all the wow threads i noticed a hell of a lot of druids and that makes a lovely change from Rogue #12484 and Hunter #43533 !

Im lvl 55 on a us server and I am about to bite the bullet and finally sell off my Bag-Full-O-Gear for my forms. For non-druids reading, Most druids end up humping a precious bagfull of str/agi/sta gear for when they want to use forms.

My question is to any druids that managed to tough out a feral spec to 60. I find catform near to useless and bearform only really good when soloing or 5manned with a priest in the group. As a result, that 14 slot bag full of agi gear is starting to look more and more like money wasted as i do loot acrobatics with a full inventory.

So does anyone use their forms past 40 at all?

Pugsley

I got my druid to 34 in the EU beta (tauren), and found that they are indeed virtually useless, all their good for IMO is go cat form to pull, get in a back stab, maybe 1 or 2 other moves then a 3point finisher, then go back druid. Same goes for PvP, they seemed virtually useless except for travel form to run away, infact druids on the whole seem to struggle in PvP from what I seen of them, only real effective tactic I found was root and moonfire spam, and that drains your mana in no time, wouldnt have minded learning how to play one well, but Im far happier now as shaman.

BKtje

Im lvl 55 on a us server and I am about to bite the bullet and finally sell off my Bag-Full-O-Gear for my forms. For non-druids reading, Most druids end up humping a precious bagfull of str/agi/sta gear for when they want to use forms.

Im a resotration druid and i got 3 sets of armor..ish. 1 for general soloing (int/sta stuff). Primary healer gear (int/spi) and then my general feral gear (agi+sta). Some prefer agi+str or str+sta for feral but the armor bonus u get from agi helps, also helps cat form crit and dodge and its a large % increase armor in bear form.

My question is to any druids that managed to tough out a feral spec to 60.

Im a "high druid" (ie 2nd tier command structure below guild leader) of a guild with over 100 druids (druid only guild) and i have yet to meet one who has decided to stay with feral passed 40. It just doesnt scale well enough when people start getting uber weapons which dont help ur feral forms at all. We have mentioned this to "blues" (along with other problems) to be fixed. They got back to us recently with a list of improvements to be made however this isnt mentioned.

I find catform near to useless

cat form is to get a large dps increase soon. I also find it very useful for stealthing (obviously) and for using shred when ina grp that has me as a secondary healer.

and bearform only really good when soloing or 5manned with a priest in the group.

I actually find it useful as well when as healer (as long as there is a secondary healer) to be able to take the massive amoutns of agro that i get. However if no secondary healer, it can mean the death of the grp so in that case u just become a self healing tank. (ie keep healing urself while u wait for tanks to take agro.. however the act of healing itself creates a large amount of agro so bear is the real only option in end game instances (ie scholomane (sp) etc).

As a result, that 14 slot bag full of agi gear is starting to look more and more like money wasted as i do loot acrobatics with a full inventory.

I got this same problem. Bags full of armor. I didnt actually get my mount till lvl 47 cos of this (too much money needed to keep armor decent).

Ill post up the upcomming changes to be made to druids in the coming weeks once the wow forums are back up. Down atm it seems.

Btw im a lvl 58 restoration druid.

BKtje

as promised...

ere is the response I’ve received from the designers after giving them your feedback. We sat down and discussed these various points. I’ve described what’s going to be changed where applicable and given explanations as to why aspects of the class were designed in a certain way. I hope you find this an informative and enlightening read!


Shapeshifting to Escape Movement-Impairing Effects – What Should Work and What Shouldn’t

Many of you have expressed concern about the Shaman’s Frost Shock and the Mage’s frost spells. The slow effect remains on a Druid even after shapeshifting. This is not acting as intended and should be fixed in time. The Daze effect, however, is not meant to be removed by this act. The thought behind escaping through shapeshifting is that your physical form is difficult to hold through entangling. The philosophy is similar with polymorph in that the Druid has greater control over his physical form and cannot be transformed against his will when in animal form. Even with frost effects, you’re changing your shape and shaking off the frost clinging to you. Daze, however, exists to ensure there is some risk from running away -- it is a mechanic in place for balance reasons, and no class can dispel it. The effect is equivalent to a knock on the head and thus would not be dispelled by changing one’s form; it is a mental effect rather than a physical one.



Lack of a Focus Statistic – The Large Wardrobe Dilemma

Druids sometimes feel they need to have multiple equipment sets with different focus statistics to be effective, as there is no one obvious statistic that is the primary focus of the Druid. This is an issue with any hybrid class, however; the Shaman faces similar choices, for example. The problem lies in that there is no “optimal” play-style for the class; several different strategies work and work well. I can tell you that, unlike Rogues, cat form relies on Strength more than Agility for damage. Point for point, you’ll find your damage is aided more by enhancing Strength. Spirit is one statistic that can be a great help for Druids or not benefit their build much at all depending on style of play; remember that mana regenerates while in beast form. Another point, also, is that it isn’t just Druids that have to consider multiple outfits depending on the situation – many high level areas can be made easier with certain gear, and this affects everyone.

The general consensus on this issue is that it’s a natural consideration of a hybrid class. Examine your style of play, look at what would most benefit you, and outfit your character along those lines.


Cat Claws Aren’t So Sharp – Looking at Cat Form Damage and Abilities

On the subject of animal forms, one of the top concerns of the community has been that cat form DPS is somewhat lacking past level 40 or so. The designers acknowledge that this is a problem and they plan on adjusting the higher-level damage to be more in line with the original concept. Keep in mind that a Druid in cat form is not supposed to have roughly the same DPS as a similarly-leveled Rogue; however, it should improve from its current incarnation.

One of the changes planned is the addition of a direct-damage finishing move. This should help the Druid cat form significantly.


The Ups and Downs of the Feral Combat Talent Tree

When examining the Druid talent trees, the Feral Combat tree has been noted to be somewhat lackluster in comparison to Balance and Restoration, especially concerning the one-point abilities (Feral Charge, Feline Swiftness and Primal Instinct). Naturally the task of designing a single tree to enhance what are essentially two mini-classes of the Druid isn’t easy. It’s important not to favor one form over the other in the creation of such talents, which is why there are three one-point talents in this tree alone: one for bear, one for cat, and one for all. Now, that said, the designers are aware that it’s not the most popular of talent builds to follow, and so they will be taking a good look at the talent tree with the intention of improving it where they can. The planned enhancements to the forms should hopefully boost the number of Druids staying with this tree, also…

Speaking of enhancements to the forms, I feel this is a good time to mention the new, upcoming Bear Form ability currently being worked on that causes rage generated to heal the Druid instead of actually generating rage.

As a side note, some of you noted that there are form-based talents in the other trees and have questioned why they are not in the Feral Combat tree. The reasoning behind these choices is primarily that Druids are meant to use their forms, regardless of their talent build. Those talents are there to encourage you to do so – and to give benefits in that regard – no matter your specialization.


Rebirth – Its Purpose and the Myth of “Wipe Recovery”

When it comes to filling the primary healer role, many Druids are concerned that Rebirth does not help in wipe recovery, and thus they are less desirable in groups. The kicker is this: technically, Priests do not have “wipe recovery” either when they’re alone, and yet they’re also primary healers. The ability to recover from a complete wipe (i.e. everyone is dead) is given to Shaman primarily; Paladins and Warlocks can also aid in wipe recovery combined with a resurrecting class (or engineer with jumper cables, even). The Druid is not meant to fill the “wipe recovery” requirement.

However, what Rebirth can do is prevent a wipe. Having someone critical die mid-fight can be devastating, but bringing them back can turn the tide and give you that extra edge to win. Of course, in order for this to be true, the resurrection timer must no longer affect this spell, and that is indeed going to take place. Once the change is made, your target should be able to come back to life immediately. We are also reducing the mana cost of this spell line so it should be more viable in combat. We hope that these changes will help Rebirth’s utility in combat and make Druids more desirable in groups and raids.


Hurricane – It Hurts Being the Eye of the Storm

The channeling aspect of the Hurricane spell has met with some unpopularity in the Druid community. The spell was designed with channeling in mind – its previous casting type was a bug. The way it worked in its bugged form, it was comparable to the damage dealt by the Mage. The Druid is not meant to be strong in dealing area-of-effect damage, and the fact that Hurricane was nearly as good as a core AE spell of the Mage – the class that does specialize in such damage – was a balance problem.

The spell is not meant to be used as a strong solo spell. There are group situations, however, where there’s no such thing as too much area-of-effect damage. Many high-level instances have areas where it’s ideal to whip out a spell such as this; it is meant to be situational, however. Mind you, the developers will be watching the relative popularity of the spell and how often it’s used; for now, however, it is going to remain in its current form.


Why Can’t I Root? – The Strangest Trees Grow in Azeroth

One of the longest and loudest laments of the Druid has been the inability to use Entangling Roots (and by extension, Nature’s Grasp) indoors. I discussed this with the designers, but their stance is firm; this will remain an outdoors-only spell.

The designers want to keep crowd control limited and specialized. The content of the world is balanced with crowd control spells in mind, depending on the type of monster and the area in which they dwell. Root does not discriminate between monster types, and as such it is very powerful outdoors. Outdoor content is balanced with root in mind, as are “outdoor” flagged instances such as Zul’Farrak. Adding the ability to root indoors would call for a great deal of rebalancing indoor content, as now they would have to account for one creature possibly being rooted in addition to all other forms of crowd control. It would also give Druids more crowd control power than they are intended to have.

As I’m sure you know, though, the Spider Belt was indeed changed to have a 30-minute cooldown, which should help somewhat on the PvP side of the Druid game.


More to Come!

These were the top concerns I drew from the feedback you posted, and I hope you find this information satisfactory. I am not abandoning this forum now that this post is done, however – please, let me know what else you’re concerned about that I did not cover, or what new issues have arisen from the information listed, and I’ll do my best to follow up. Thank you again for all your wonderful feedback, and know that you are heard! - Caydiem -
Assistant Community Manager

The post itself and all the feedbackc an be found here

Dustaz

Argh, sorry i didnt see this sooner , i could have saved you the trouble of re-posting that as i saw it the day it came out

What annoyed me intensely was the lack of any resto-druid buffs. How they can expect us to be primary healers in 60+ instances is annoying.

I guess I really only wanted to know if people had other ways of using forms before i abandoned them alltogher and converted the agi/sta gear bag to an instance gear bag. (gah, i might just hold onto 2 blue agi pieces just in case the cat buff is great).

On another note, wtf a druid guild ? Man, that would be a site to see. Is it possible to raid sholo/strat/brs with an all druid raid? Im guessing brd and mc are a bit out of reach due to dps issues.

logic1

Sorry Lee all I can see is "nerd nerd nerd"

Your real friends miss you Please come home.

.logic.

Dustaz

.... Said the lvl 12 undead mage...

BKtje

On another note, wtf a druid guild ? Man, that would be a site to see. Is it possible to raid sholo/strat/brs with an all druid raid? Im guessing brd and mc are a bit out of reach due to dps issues.
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Im towards the top end of the guild regardin lvls so we aint even attempted all druid sholo/strat/brs/brd runs. Highest we went is Maru and that went ok.

I aint been to MC yet.