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National Submission Championships

  • 02-03-2005 10:12pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,577 ✭✭✭


    The National Submission Championships will take place in UCD Sports Centre on Saturday, April 23rd 2005.

    This is a no gi event in the style of King of the Mat.

    Weight Categories are -62Kg, -68Kg, -75Kg, -83Kg, -92Kg, +92Kg

    Experience Divisions are

    -6 Months
    -12 Months
    +12 Months

    For entry forms please email colm.oreilly[at]oceanfree.net

    Take Care,
    Colm


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Ttt

    And Colm, can you mail me on the rules list when you get a chance?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,577 ✭✭✭Colm_OReilly


    NSC Website

    Courtesy of Clive Staunton


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Many entries in -62 yet?

    I'll send on my form to ya during the week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,577 ✭✭✭Colm_OReilly


    Hey John,

    There should be, you know how people like to leave it til the last minute to send those entry forms in :mad:

    What can you do,
    Colm


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Haha yeah, I'm one of em. I'll send off mine before I head off to quannum gym next week. Are you competing yourself?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,577 ✭✭✭Colm_OReilly


    No I'll be running it, and reffing on the day, so the -68Kg category is wide open.

    You're off to Quannum? Will you do a write up of your experience there?

    Peace Out,
    Colm


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Sure, why not.. I'm off on the 11th - 19th. Great place over there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,995 ✭✭✭Tim_Murphy


    Hmm, get fit and fight at 68 or just be lazy and fight at 75... decisions decisions!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,577 ✭✭✭Colm_OReilly


    Tim_Murphy wrote:
    Hmm, get fit and fight at 68 or just be lazy and fight at 75... decisions decisions!!

    Tim, you should definitely fight at the lighter weight, remember, it's all about that power to weight ratio!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭Kevin_rc_ie


    i'd be more of the line that the person with the better skill is going to win unless there is a trully massive difference in strength/power.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,577 ✭✭✭Colm_OReilly


    i'd be more of the line that the person with the better skill is going to win unless there is a trully massive difference in strength/power.

    Hey I'm a big fan of skill! But when skill is equal attributes matter, particularly in competition. Also, you should be nice and light! :D

    Peace and Love Y'All,
    Colm


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Yup.. Put Ricardo Arona against Royler Gracie and I'll go with Arona anyday.. Weight plays a major factor in grappling.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭Roper


    Damn!
    No can do this event. Was really looking forward to it but looks like the "arrival" is any day now! Maybe it's for the best, I've had to slack off the training so I'm more 85kgs then my usual slim jim 82.5kg. I'm feeling a bit tubby, but not tubby enough to compete with 92kilos!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭Kevin_rc_ie


    hey guys,

    and by guys i mean colm.

    i've done judo for a few years but have never done any type of wrestling of bjj without the judogi. so should i do over 12months or under 12months? can i do both?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,577 ✭✭✭Colm_OReilly


    Hey,

    Closing date for entries was yesterday, but that's never stopped late entries before! So if you're yet to get your entry in just get it to me before Saturday.

    Peace Out,
    Colm


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭Kevin_rc_ie


    Yeah sorry about this colm, have them in asap.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭mark.leonard


    hey guys,

    and by guys i mean colm.

    i've done judo for a few years but have never done any type of wrestling of bjj without the judogi. so should i do over 12months or under 12months? can i do both?

    I have a guy in the same situation as you in my club, I reccommended he go into the +12 months, a lot of your judo experience does translate across, still Colm is the right guy to ask!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭Kevin_rc_ie


    Ok I think my form will be in today, Kev is dropping it in to colm at training in Firhouse. I've gone with -12months.

    Now comes the girly questions... what should I wear?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭Kevin_rc_ie


    I thought this was Colum's area of expertise.........


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭columok


    Will Kev has copied my taste in rashguards... ;)

    Dont know if t-shirts are allowed (feet get caught in them)!

    Dunno if a gi is allowed...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,577 ✭✭✭Colm_OReilly


    If you wear a t-shirt, you can be choked with it. Gi's are fine. I'd recommend shorts and bare chest for pure nogi action!

    Kevin_rc_ie, got your application.

    Peace and Love Y'All,
    Colm


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭Kevin_rc_ie


    hmm ok. fighting bare chest to bare chest is a bit minging. lol. yeah i don't think i'll get a rashgaurd. i might get one of those canterbury rugby under garment things....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭vasch_ro


    do you have to shave , is stubble allowed ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭Kevin_rc_ie


    your chest? maybe i'll get a rashguard.... ;-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,577 ✭✭✭Colm_OReilly


    vasch_ro wrote:
    do you have to shave , is stubble allowed ?

    Unlike FILA, I won't be disqualifying entrants on the basis of having cool designer stubble (like me :cool: )

    Get those entries in!
    Colm


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,995 ✭✭✭Tim_Murphy


    What time is it kicking off at??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,577 ✭✭✭Colm_OReilly


    You know, I completely forgot to put that up on any public message board.

    Weigh In starts at 10am sharp.

    Rules Meeting at 11am.

    Competition begins straight after. Please let everyone know the times

    Colm "Forgetful" O'Reilly


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭Kevin_rc_ie


    So how will it work? If there are 1o people in the group they'll be divided into 2 pools of 5. Everyone in the pool fights each other and the 2 highest dudes in each table go into semi finals?
    Or will it be straight knock out until there is a final?
    or will it be just a league?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭mark.leonard


    If there are 8 or more in a group it will be divided into two sub-divisions. Everone in each sub-division will fight everyone else. The top two from each sub division will come out to semi-final knockout stage.
    If there are less than 8 it will be a Round Robin to find a winner.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭Kevin_rc_ie


    what about draws in round robin?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,577 ✭✭✭Colm_OReilly


    Win 3 points,

    Draw 1 point

    Loss 0 points.

    Winner is the guy with the most points at the end of the League. If needs be there'll be a playoff for 1st/2nd/3rd.

    See you all bright and early tomorrow!

    Colm


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14 Tru


    Heya Colm and gang,
    Best of luck with the competition tomorrow, hope it all goes well :D !!! I'm sickened that i'm missin it but thats final year for ya!!
    Anyhow back to work :( !!
    Ruth!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 412 ✭✭Ger Healy


    Tru wrote:
    Heya Colm and gang,
    Best of luck with the competition tomorrow, hope it all goes well :D !!! I'm sickened that i'm missin it but thats final year for ya!!
    Anyhow back to work :( !!
    Ruth!!

    Founding members of "LUMA" Stefan & Tim do well

    LimerickIrishSubMissionChampions.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭Kevin_rc_ie


    Yeah that Dude in the blue in the picture was really good. One almost all his matches by arm bar. He had a nice flow.

    My own performance was a bit ......

    I got there at 9am. Knew I had a kilo and a half to drop. So 4 weigh ins, 20 laps of the gym and countless other excerises I weighed in on the button. So thanks to Colum for that.

    I think my group was a mix of U6months and 6-12. I was actually a good group for me.

    Firstly, allow me to talk up my performace. In a group of 6, I was the only person who fought 5 times. They guy who came 3rd, only fought 3 matches I think. They guy i beat first got injured so everyone was awarded an automatic win :-(. Then the next guy i fought, we drew after 4 mins of energy consuming wrestling. But he also went on to withdraw, so 2 guys got walk overs!. However, the 3 guys that topped the group did all beat me by guillotine/triangle submission so i can't really explain. But, but, the last guy that beat me, had an advantage cos I had 4 fights under my belt and he had only 2.

    A remark about stradegy.

    I read up in a BJJ book about some of the common techniques. So I was conceptually familar with what was going to happen. HOwever, when the going gets tough, people like me, revert to what they know best. So, I had to admit, I just went out and did judo throws and hold ons. Which, aren't really incredibly helpful to force a submission. Also, I was guilty of defending the groundwork with a judo perspective, which really ended up with me puttin my head too close to the other guy's head who's beneath me and allowing him a easy guillotine. I think I should have warn my gi, I would have but I left it in college on friday because I forgot my key :-(.

    So, in the end, my judo worked quite well up to a point. I was able to take 4/5 people to the mat on my terms, put them in my preferred hold down. But after about a min of holding (in judo it's a max of 25s) i had to let go and evetually ended up been caught. I knew I'd never get submissions but I thought my defense would be stronger.

    Moral of the story: need to go BJJ training.

    Colum reffed most of my matches so he may be able to confirm or deny what i said.

    Good competition, ran smoothly, lots of fun.

    :D:D:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,577 ✭✭✭Colm_OReilly


    First and foremost thanks to all the competitors who helped make the NSC 2005 a huge success.

    I cannot thank the Volunteer Team enough for making things go as smoothly as they did. In particular, props go to

    Colum
    Shane (rule changing mofo)
    Mick
    Mark
    Clive
    Andy
    Owen
    Brian
    Jason
    Paul
    John
    Daniel
    Bill

    and anyone else I hope I haven't forgotten.

    Now, the results. Divisions were merged if there was insufficient numbers, this was done in order to give people as many matches as possible.

    Children's Division A
    1st - Kirsty
    2nd - John
    3rd - Aaron

    Children's Division B
    1st - Daragh
    2nd - Kellie-Ann
    3rd - Dylan

    Children's Division C
    1st - Kevin
    2nd - Kevin G
    3rd - Daniel

    Children's Division D
    1st - Simone
    2nd - Colm
    3rd - Keilan

    Children's Division E
    1st - Sam
    2nd - Ryan
    3rd - Ronan

    Children's Division F
    1st - David
    2nd - Laro
    3rd - Kim

    Children's Division G
    1st - Connor
    2nd - Thomas
    3rd - Mark

    Female
    1st - Suzi Ferris
    2nd - Reka
    3rd - Maeve Harkins

    -62Kg Novice/Intermediate
    1st - Andy Dwyer
    2nd - Garreth Donnelly
    3rd - Stuart Garrett

    -68Kg Novice/Intermediate
    1st - Andreas Lovbran
    2nd - Ross Kelly
    3rd 0 Kieran Dolphin

    -68Kg Advanced
    1st - Owen Roddy
    2nd - Tim Murphy
    3rd - Mark Hamill

    -75Kg Novice/Intermediate
    1st - Ciaran Maher
    2nd - Tom O'Hare
    3rd - John Kenny

    -75Kg Advanced
    1st - Francis Heagney
    2nd - Anthony Broxson
    3rd - David Jones

    -83Kg Novice
    1st - Ross O'Neill
    2nd - Matt Hickmott
    3rd - John Gormley

    -83Kg Intermediate
    1st - Martynas Dabrisius
    2nd - Oisin Clarke
    3rd - David McConkey

    -83Kg Advanced
    1st - Stefan Hupka
    2nd - Juan Cullen
    3rd - Clive Staunton

    -92Kg Novice/Intermediate
    1st - Stefan Cinelli
    2nd - John Collins
    3rd - Robert Sheriden

    -92Kg Advanced
    1st - Paul Harkin
    2nd - Judo Mick
    3rd - Pat Connell

    +92Kg Novice/Intermediate
    1st - David Reilly
    2nd - David Harkin
    3rd - Martin O'Brien

    +92Kg Advanced
    1st - John Molloy
    2nd - Nerijus
    3rd - Mr Grappletastic

    See you all next year for the NSC 2006

    Thanks again,
    Colm


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭columok


    Well done to all.

    Event went well. Some lessons to be learnt. I think we need to have a schedule of what weight categories and what times.

    Rules worked. Sportsmanship levels were very high. Didnt see one piece of bad sportsmanship in any of the matches I reffed. No one denied any taps. Not much for me to do actually! ;)

    Kevin_rc_ie displayed some lovely judo takedowns. He even won one fight by "tap out" due to judu throw.

    My advice Kev... Train without the gi under sub wrestling rules in your judo club some day. Compete at the Irish BJJ Championships (which is a gi event) in October.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    I'm ****ing pissed I couldn't go. Had to pull out with my ankle.. I've re-injured it. I couldn't go to quannum with the lads either. God is making fun of me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭mark.leonard


    Moral of the story for me was don't take a hospital shot when you are going for an ankle pick!
    and to a lesser extent, I need to be under weight next time around, being one of th elightest guys in the division was not an enjoyable experience!

    Brilliant job by Colm and all the rest of the guys who got everything together, looking forward to the next King of the Mat in September.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭Kevin_rc_ie


    th elightest guys

    the eliteist guys? only messing.

    is king of the mat mma? as in bjj with striking?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭columok


    KOTM was the original National Submission Championships!

    For Amateur League MMA (No headshots allowed) go to www.mmaleague.com!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,608 ✭✭✭breadmonkey


    No, AFAIK it's pretty much exactly the same as the NSC rules. :EDIT: Colum got there ahead of me.

    Event went very smoothly indeed.


    Moral of the story for me is don't drop my ****ing head and shoulders in the clinch or I will (did :mad: ) get guillotined.

    I didn't wear a T-Shirt after watching the -62kg divison where Andy was getting stuck in with the T-Shirt chokes. I don't think Eimhin will ever wear one again after the state of his neck!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭Kevin_rc_ie


    Moral of the story for me is don't drop my head and shoulders in the clinch or I will get guillotined.

    yeah me 2 me 2.
    For Amateur League MMA

    .....I think I'll stick with this for the mo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,995 ✭✭✭Tim_Murphy


    Well done to Colm and the gang, good competition!
    As with all of these types of competitions I've gone to (mma league, KOTM), there was a great atmosphere, no bs, no egos and it was a lot of fun.

    Would have been back in Limerick nice n early and all had we not encountered a slight lack of petrol in the tank a few miles past portloaise!!
    Founding members of "LUMA" Stefan & Tim do well
    :D Ger just came up with a slogan, 'when it's this expensive it just HAS to be good!'


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 412 ✭✭Ger Healy


    Tim_Murphy wrote:
    Would have been back in Limerick nice n early and all had we not encountered a slight lack of petrol in the tank a few miles past portloaise!!

    You'r the lazy git who sat in the car and let an old man walk five miles to get petrol

    My leg are killing me I never had to do that much excrise in one day :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,995 ✭✭✭Tim_Murphy


    I'm sure the bit of exercise did you good!
    Anyway if I remember correctly, I was asked to stay and mind the car!


  • Registered Users Posts: 278 ✭✭Cousin it


    I hate t-shirts :mad: :mad: :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭columok


    The T Shirt choke. As seen at the National Submission Championships 2005


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,577 ✭✭✭Colm_OReilly


    Choking someone with the T-shirt is known as a rat choke, probably because you're a rat b@st@rd for doing it.

    Still, it's no Riley choke...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,608 ✭✭✭breadmonkey


    Still, it's no Riley choke...

    Controversy to follow... :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭vasch_ro


    Choking someone with the T-shirt is known as a rat choke, probably because you're a rat b@st@rd for doing it.

    Still, it's no Riley choke...


    I would expect better use of language from our Forum Mod !!!!


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