No political party interests me..

Cool Cat

The BNP are not "right wing" they are far right.

monument

'Far right' is far right wing, so it is not wrong to say they are "right wing".

galactus

monument wrote:

'Far right' is far right wing, so it is not wrong to say they are "right wing".

Cool Cat wrote:

The BNP are not "right wing" they are far right.

Semantics apart, I believe "Racists" would be more a more accurate description of the BNP.

mrhankey88

we dont have a proper right wing party in this counrty but i believe we will get one in the near future because the way we are going god help us all!

I mean - loss of identy > old irish culture, loss of the irish language, loss of morality, the near destruction of the one true catholic church, i could go on and on.. The only thing that will bring about this change will be a strong irish goverment who will implement policies that will make ireland great again.. For example i would like to see Irish fazed in as our primary speaking language over a 5/10 year period, but keeping english as an economic requirement. Thats why if a political party isnt established in the next 10 years to satisfy my new desire for a moral and religious state, while still being economically prosperious. i will establish my own.

Also, on another note, i believe northern ireland to be the sole property of the irish. I hope that we can see the north taken back from the brittish within years though peacefull means. If not then we should take it back by force - after all it was taken by force,

Sand

we dont have a proper right wing party in this counrty but i believe we will get one in the near future because the way we are going god help us all!

I mean - loss of identy > old irish culture, loss of the irish language, loss of morality, the near destruction of the one true catholic church, i could go on and on.. The only thing that will bring about this change will be a strong irish goverment who will implement policies that will make ireland great again.. For example i would like to see Irish fazed in as our primary speaking language over a 5/10 year period, but keeping english as an economic requirement. Thats why if a political party isnt established in the next 10 years to satisfy my new desire for a moral and religious state, while still being economically prosperious. i will establish my own.

Also, on another note, i believe northern ireland to be the sole property of the irish. I hope that we can see the north taken back from the brittish within years though peacefull means. If not then we should take it back by force - after all it was taken by force,

Post of the month, tbh :rolleyes: . Where do you even start to deconstruct that load of rubbish?

Semantics apart, I believe "Racists" would be more a more accurate description of the BNP.

Id agree, but we're in the minority. Ultra nationalists/racists are never Socialist apparently. The greatest political smear job/denial in history.

mrhankey88

Where do you even start to deconstruct that load of rubbish?

yes, and this true irish state would not interest you? Then you are a foreign alien ,who wishes for american/british style filth. This country has no place for traitors like you.

Dinner

mrhankey88 wrote:

If not then we should take it back by force - after all it was taken by force,

Right so you'll be the first one to try rake on a harrier or some of the best troops in the world.

Good luck with that. God I hate the attitude of people like you.

mycroft

Sand wrote:

Post of the month, tbh :rolleyes: . Where do you even start to deconstruct that load of rubbish?

Point him towards Justin Barrett and say "lo here be your messiah"

mrhankey88

Right so you'll be the first one to try rake on a harrier or some of the best troops in the world.

Right now we barely have an army, but with years of development and training and the right amount of funding - sacrafice will be needed from the irish people through taxes to build an army worthy of defending our great isles and retaliating if need's be. An invasion of such a small piece of land such as Ulster would be very short and quick.

dearg_doom

To try to bring this messy thread back on topic...

I'm of almost the exact same opinion as Sleepy.

I gave my first to the Greens, then the SWP, then Independents, then FG->Lab->SF->FF->PD(McDowell infests my own constituency so he is naturally last;))

I know a lot of people my age who vote in this way.

tbh I think it's a sad way for things to be, but what can you do?

BTW, I would never 'not vote' as that achieves nothing.

Redleslie2

mycroft wrote:

Point him towards Justin Barrett and say "lo here be your messiah"

Mrhankey88 looks like yet another Stormfront head tbh, '88' being nazi for Heil Hitler.

uncivilservant

mrhankey88 wrote:

we dont have a proper right wing party in this counrty but i believe we will get one in the near future because the way we are going god help us all!

I mean - loss of identy > old irish culture, loss of the irish language, loss of morality, the near destruction of the one true catholic church, i could go on and on.. The only thing that will bring about this change will be a strong irish goverment who will implement policies that will make ireland great again.. For example i would like to see Irish fazed in as our primary speaking language over a 5/10 year period, but keeping english as an economic requirement. Thats why if a political party isnt established in the next 10 years to satisfy my new desire for a moral and religious state, while still being economically prosperious. i will establish my own.

Also, on another note, i believe northern ireland to be the sole property of the irish. I hope that we can see the north taken back from the brittish within years though peacefull means. If not then we should take it back by force - after all it was taken by force,

The double-eights in your username wouldn't by any chance be a reference to the eighth letter of the alphabet? As is commonly used to "discretely" reference an abbreviation of a certain 1930's / 1940's German political salutation?

Just a little curious.

edit: And a little too slow.

galactus

mrhankey88 wrote:

we dont have a proper right wing party in this counrty but i believe we will get one in the near future because the way we are going god help us all!

I mean - loss of identy > old irish culture, loss of the irish language, loss of morality, the near destruction of the one true catholic church, i could go on and on.. The only thing that will bring about this change will be a strong irish goverment who will implement policies that will make ireland great again.. For example i would like to see Irish fazed in as our primary speaking language over a 5/10 year period, but keeping english as an economic requirement. Thats why if a political party isnt established in the next 10 years to satisfy my new desire for a moral and religious state, while still being economically prosperious. i will establish my own.

Also, on another note, i believe northern ireland to be the sole property of the irish. I hope that we can see the north taken back from the brittish within years though peacefull means. If not then we should take it back by force - after all it was taken by force,

88 - that's your age is it?

mrhankey88

The double-eights in your username wouldn't by any chance be a reference to the eighth letter of the alphabet? As is commonly used to "discretely" reference an abbreviation of a certain 1930's / 1940's German political salutation?

no. i am not a neo-nazi.

Lemming

mrhankey88 wrote:

no. i am not a neo-nazi.

That's funny ..... since

I mean - loss of identy > old irish culture, loss of the irish language, loss of morality, the near destruction of the one true catholic church, i could go on and on.. The only thing that will bring about this change will be a strong irish goverment who will implement policies that will make ireland great again..

yes, and this true irish state would not interest you? Then you are a foreign alien ,who wishes for american/british style filth. This country has no place for traitors like you.

Right now we barely have an army, but with years of development and training and the right amount of funding - sacrafice will be needed from the irish people through taxes to build an army worthy of defending our great isles and retaliating if need's be. An invasion of such a small piece of land such as Ulster would be very short and quick.

all of the above quotes reek of 1930s NSDAP policy and/or propoganda broadcasts.

Nice to see your "brethern" are still living in the 1930/40s

:rolleyes:

Incidentally:

loss of the irish language, loss of morality, the near destruction of the one true catholic church

We did that. Nobody else. As for the catholic church, it brought about its own fall from grace on this island.

The only thing that will bring about this change will be a strong irish goverment who will implement policies that will make ireland great again

yes, and this true irish state would not interest you? Then you are a foreign alien ,who wishes for american/british style filth. This country has no place for traitors like you.

Define "great again". Define "true Irish state". And why would someone who was born in Ireland and raised in Ireland by Irish parents suddenly a "foreign alien" and a "traitor". I'm reminded of the NDSAP's propoganda used to stir the German populace against their Jewish neighbours

An invasion of such a small piece of land such as Ulster would be very short and quick.

Just like Czechoslovakia and Poland eh?

RainyDay

Boggle wrote:

No sh1t sherlock...! The reason this occurs is because the politicians have zero accountability, zero credibility and feck all houour.

Just look at the promises from the last election - how many of those have been actually fulfilled?

We get the politicians we deserve. The corruption that has been discovered in the politicians of the 80's & 90's was simply a reflection of society of that time, where tax evasion was seen as socially acceptable. [And still is socially acceptable to a large extent]. FF are well on the way to buying the result of the next election with our own money, through the SSIAs and grants for childcare.

As long as voters are prepared to vote on the basis of pure selfishness (i.e. what's he going to do for ME), then politicians will pander to this. If you want things to change, start voting on the basis of broad social, economic & ethical principles.

Conflict of Interest: I'm a Labour party member.

oscarBravo

mrhankey88 wrote:

An invasion of such a small piece of land such as Ulster would be very short and quick.

Only slightly larger than the Falklands/Malvinas - should be a walk in the park alright.

Emphasis on "short" rather than "quick" methinks.

monument

mrhankey88 wrote:

Also, on another note, i believe northern ireland to be the sole property of the irish. I hope that we can see the north taken back from the brittish within years though peacefull means. If not then we should take it back by force - after all it was taken by force,

Northern Ireland should be the "sole property" of the people of Northern Ireland, whatever background or place they have come from (Northern Irish, Irish, Scottish, Chinese etc etc etc).

Northern Ireland should not belong to 'the Irish', the British government, the Republic, the people of the Republic or anybody who is not living there or who does not come from there.

Whatever about past plans to invade the north to protect one community, the idea of invading it now to fulfil some strange view uniting people under one motherland by force - when everyone in the north is not in agreement of such - is sicking.

oscarBravo

monument wrote:

the idea of invading it now to fulfil some strange view uniting people under one motherland by force - when everyone in the north is not in agreement of such - is sicking.

/applause

Nevada

I am in the same position, cant vote for anyone in this democracy given that i believe the EU and illegal immigration are bad for Ireland. I would be interested in a party like Britains UKIP or one the european immigration control parties. Everyone else has one, why cant we?

Mighty_Mouse

No they are not! When did you last hear Michael McDowell or Mary Harney spewing their hatred at ethnic

Deporting fully integrated asylum seekers about to sit their leaving cert in the middle of the night?

<under the light of a buring cross!!>

On a more serious note. I wouldnt consider the PDs to be anything like the BNP but I couldnt help take a pop at them!!!


(Maybe in a few years when the BNP try to move a little towards the centre................!)

lost_lad

Nevada wrote:

I am in the same position, cant vote for anyone in this democracy given that i believe the EU and illegal immigration are bad for Ireland. I would be interested in a party like Britains UKIP or one the european immigration control parties. Everyone else has one, why cant we?

Without the EU you prob wouldn't even be sitting at your computer typing that text over the web. The EU is responsible for our 'Celtic Tiger'. American companys set up here for low tax, english speaking (I suppose we can thank the brits for that...), educated europeans, easy access to the continent and the states.
We need the EU we have flourished because of its existence. Otherwise we'd be a small isolated country in the middle of the atlantic with no where to sell our wares and no one willing to make them here. Europe has given us a voice in the world that we would not have had otherwise.

Immigration is fundamentally required if Ireland and Europe is to continue to exist and expand our economy. We are reaching a point where we will have more people on pensions then we will working to pay for them (2040 i think). Immigration of people who are looking for a better chance for them and there descendants who are looking to work and help ireland grow is needed. If partys like the BNP have there way it would be white europe just like it is white america.

The only thing i disagree with is tax harmonisation. I think it would hurt us badly. common defence, foreign and trade policys are all required to help the econmoic block ourselves included grow.

Just think you can now get on a plane and travel anywhere in Europe in few hours for next to near nothing. No EU no travel without a visa and there would be all that currency changing crap also.
I for one like this whole no borders attitude. just wish we would open them to the outside world as well.
If we had a better harmonised system with immigration centres in north Africa, east europe/Russia etc... we could 'weed out' the bad the good and the ugly before they got here. I think that would be a better system and would remove some of the opposition immigration faces today. Not long ago our country men where jumping ship and going to the states and the UK. if they couldn't go and send money back we'd have been pretty fu*ked.

Apologies for my somey times inconsistent tone but i wrote this quickly.

Nevada

"The EU is responsible for our 'Celtic Tiger"

The EU is responsible for eating a lot of our fish and little else. You would think if they could swing it for us they could swing it for themselves, which they obviously cant.

Ireland only needs work for its own population, anything surplus can be exported to Europe. Pensionwise we have excellent demographics, and controlled immigration of the best and the brightest is sensible planning for the future.

And before Lost Lad starts jumping up and down calling me a racist, I'm not

sceptre

Nevada wrote:

The EU is responsible for eating a lot of our fish and little else.

Sure. That's why the whole thing was set up. And it's been the only difference it's made to this little banana of ours. My eyes are opened.

As for our pension position, you might find the forthcoming OECD report on pensions in Europe enlightening (it's out in May), particularly its league table of European future pension value (as a spoiler, Luxembourg is top of the 30, Ireland is at the bottom). Our demographics may be good (though presumably you're thinking of our requirements in say 30 years, for which our demographics are in fact terrible) but I'd get a copy of the report (or read on currently available data) anyway.

dathi1

The EU is responsible for our 'Celtic Tiger'. American companys set up here for low tax, english speaking (I suppose we can thank the brits for that...), educated europeans, easy access to the continent and the states.

Strange the same EU / The Commission in Brussels is now on the warpath with us as to our IDA grant aid to the same American companies??...and its NOT for a level playing field with other EU countries..Intel may move its future build out facilities to Israel as a result! (That's outside the EU isn't it?)
I think you should re phrase the statement to say "The EU is partly responsible for helping our educated workforce and dedicated IDA teams to bring investment to Ireland which really has us where we are now." As for the future..
Immigration has had its pluses so far as filling the void for IBEC but there was also a downside with welfare dependent "asylum seekers" from the late 90s onwards.

lost_lad

Just a tip of the iceberg.

http://www.ipe.com/article_default.asp?article=18529

http://home.eircom.net/content/irelandcom/biznews/5343659?view=Eircomnet

Have a look see for yourself nevada.
If you've read any news in the last year you woud have heard we screwed for pensions in years to come.

The EU is responsible for eating a lot of our fish and little else.

What? Really?

When all our fish is gone and we are on the brink of being kicked out of europe. Bertie will get sent a clear glass fish bowl inscribed with "So long and thanks for all the fish..."

billy the squid

Nevada wrote:

The EU is responsible for eating a lot of our fish and little else. You would think if they could swing it for us they could swing it for themselves, which they obviously cant.

I suggest you take a quick trip around and see how many of our motorways and construction projects have been funded by the European Union.

There are not very many places where you will see the NDB logo without the EU flag.

the same can be said for FAS.

Ireland only needs work for its own population, anything surplus can be exported to Europe. Pensionwise we have excellent demographics, and controlled immigration of the best and the brightest is sensible planning for the future.

If this were true then there would not be foreign nationals working here. While ireland might have enough people to fill the jobs availible in this country, it lacks the number of people willing to get off their arses and do a bit of work, preferrring to collect the dole.

And before Lost Lad starts jumping up and down calling me a racist, I'm not

I am not a racist BUT....

rsynnott

billy the squid wrote:

I am not a racist BUT....

and zis is a BIG but...

lost_lad

billy the squid wrote:

While ireland might have enough people to fill the jobs availible in this country, it lacks the number of people willing to get off their arses and do a bit of work, preferrring to collect the dole.

Here Here.
The social welfare state has got to be over-hauled on a massive scale.
Sit on ur ass get paid. Lie on ur back have 3 kids and get a house!!!

I have to work and save and still have little or no chance of having a house inside of 2 years all the while paying my rent myself.
off topic i know but in order for FF to stop SF winning votes they had to up the dole so peeps who sit on there asses dont vote for criminals!!!

"Democracy" needs an overhaul. I think the system out of "Starship Troopers" is quiet a good idea personally.
You have to earn ur vote and the right to have kids. Be a decent part of society before society is decent to you....

billy the squid wrote:

I am not a racist BUT....

Such an Irish saying

galactus

lost_lad wrote:

I am not a racist BUT....

Don't be ridiculous. You are a racist. Accept it.

Can we apply this to other walks of life? I'm not a paedophile BUT... etc.