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Best Teenage Drama
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21-03-2005 8:58pm#1
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I can't think of one thing that links all of them, apart from having been on television sometime in the last 30 years.
They are all Teenage Drama's, that's the only connection.
Fame is the oldest from the 1980's
The newest is Boston Public 2000'sI couldn't stand watching any of them (or at least any of the ones i've ever seen on TV), they are all so cringeworthy and take themselves far too seriously
That's why freeks and geeks is the best.I would be very surprised if there was anyone that could honestly say they have seen an episode of every single one of these.
I have
Repeats of Fame people Repeats. The majority are the 90'severwood
Sorry! (Is it not still running? was trying to avoid shows still running)Buffy take itself too seriously?!
I put buffy in for that reason. I never really got into it and always felt it was Dawson's Creek with Vampires and Ghosts in it.
Yeah! No! Sorry.Where's Sweet Valley High
As for Popular, did that start out serious and then go comedy?
And Saved by the Bell is a comedy. (And that is questionable)0 -
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Freaks And Geeks by an absolute mile!
But i wouldn't class it as a teen drama. More of a dramedy involving teens!
Some of the best writing, acting and characters EVER committed on screen... and that's not an exaduration! And has an absolutely amazing soundtrack to boot!
If you've never seen it, buy the DVD! You will not regret it!Mr. Weir: Elvis didn't expectorate on his fans.
Sam: No. But he died on the toilet.
Mr. Weir: Well, that's paradise compared to where the Sex Pistols are gonna end up.
Bill: Remember that time in civics when I had to fart, and it came out, well, a poop? And I had to flush my undies down the toilet? Do you think I wanted to tell you that?
Bill: Mouse Trap! I win!
Neal: Congratulations, Bill. Maybe you can get the school to start a team.
Kim: Are you calling me irrational? Because I'll tear your head off, Daniel. I'll tear it off and I'll throw it over that fence.
Daniel: I wrote out some Ramones songs.
Nick: The Ramones? They only use like three chords.
Daniel: Alright, so I'll learn another one.
Sam: Cindy is not abnormal.
Bill: Yeah? She cut the cheese.
Neal: Oh my god.
Sam: That's not funny.
Bill: I heard it, man, I swear. She blamed it on the chair. But she cut the cheese.
Sam: Well some chairs make weird noises.What kind of a chair was it?
Bill: I don't know. Vinyl?
Sam: Vinyl chairs always squeak.
Bill: It wasn't a squeak. It was the sound of cheese being cut.
Ken: I always say, girl plus car equals dead animal.
Nick: Wow, that dinner smells good. Let me guess, meat?
Neal: Ever since they thought you were dying they've been hanging all over us.
Bill: Oh. Well, if you want you can tell them that I'm still dying.
Sam: Really?
Bill: Sure, I mean, if it'll help you guys get dates.
Lindsay: Dad, give me one good reason why there can't be a woman president.
Harold: It's called three irrational days per month. Now, I would have no issue with the other twenty-seven, but we're talking about the atomic bomb here.
Sam: She says you have to be young adults. We're not adults. We're kids until we turn eighteen.
Neal: Whoa, maybe you are, but when I hit thirteen I became a man.
Bill: That's only in your temple, Neal, not in the real world.
Sam: So, is this what having a girlfriend is gonna be like? She's your best friend, she's beautiful, and you can say and do anything in front of her?
Neal: Well, my dad always says that's what women want you to think before you marry them. That's how they suck you in.0 -
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saved by the bell...i practically grew up on that.
The day they brought it back to nickelodeon was a good one
...remeber those runners zac used to wear...oh and their waistlines would be up to their armpits!!
anyway i voted buffy...i was addicted to that until she died and came back to life.i lost faith in it after that.0 -
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Jazzy wrote:never much cared for buffy.... it just annoyed me
i know it was a massive program, i just cant see why
because...it was brilliant? angel was better,but i think it draws people in because of the great writing,I have never seen any other show oull off some of the things Buffy has done,and have it turing out brilliant. Ep with no dialogue and musical come to mind. 0 -
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Most of the above were actually aimed at teenagers, though i never saw The Ward or Finbars Class so i'm not too sure about them!
Thank you for those who get not having soaps on this.
The Ward: - Was a BBC drama from the 80's and 90's orginally called The Children's Ward. The only Teenage drama from the UK i could think of. I liked it, It was based in a hospital. (And did have Teenage Themes).
Finbarr's Class: - was a comedy/drama/musical produced by RTE in 1995/1996. It wasn't the worst, ok it could have done with out the musical aspect of it. Token Irish Nomination.
Saved by the Bell is a comedy. As is Round the Twist.
Have you ever
ever felt like this
had strange things happen
are you going round the twist. 0 -
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To all the Buffy-haters: have you ever actually watched a decent episode of it, or have you just looked at the title and assumed it's Charmed?
I never understand why people have to bring one series down, just to defend another. Nothing wrong with 'Charmed'. Some of us Buffy fans even like it.
Hurrah for Aaron Spelling! 0 -
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TCamen wrote:I never understand why people have to bring one series down, just to defend another. Nothing wrong with 'Charmed'. Some of us Buffy fans even like it.
Hurrah for Aaron Spelling!
im sorry but i think charmed is really reall bad,but buffy was brilliant.i find it hard to believe angel got cancelled over charmed. also Aaron Spelling,isnt that one of the nuts who makes 7th Heaven(possibly the worst show on tv) and thinks the world is like that?0 -
TCamen wrote:I never understand why people have to bring one series down, just to defend another. Nothing wrong with 'Charmed'. Some of us Buffy fans even like it.
Hurrah for Aaron Spelling!
Gah! Heathen!
To illustrate:
"TV3. Thursday.
8.00. "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" - The first Athiestic exploration of death on American Network Television.
9.00. "Charmed" - A leprachaun or something. Oh, and everybody wears bikinis. With special musical guest.0 -
im sorry but i think charmed is really reall bad,but buffy was brilliant.i find it hard to believe angel got cancelled over charmed. also Aaron Spelling,isnt that one of the nuts who makes 7th Heaven(possibly the worst show on tv) and thinks the world is like that?
Aaron Spelling is and has been executive producer of many many series, including 'Beverly Hills 90210', 'Dynasty','Charmed' and '7th Heaven'. Hopefully 'Charmed' will get renewed for Season 8, but thankfully '7th Heaven' has recently been renewed for Season 10 making it the longest-running family drama on TV ever -- beating 'Little House on the Prairie' and 'The Waltons'.
I don't think Spelling means to produce anything except a realistic family drama series. The results are unintentionally hilarious, but that's part of the appeal for me. It has buckets of schmaltz, terrible scripts, useless guest stars, but it's fun to watch and laugh at.
As for 'Angel', not enough people watched it to get it renewed -- that's not 'Charmed's fault just because it's more popular. It's all about the numbers.9.00. "Charmed" - A leprachaun or something. Oh, and everybody wears bikinis. With special musical guest.
You forgot to include "a spell goes wrong resulting in the sisters becoming very horny and/or increasing their bust size"
I dunno, I don't think there's anything wrong with targeting an audience segment as long as it's done well. 'Charmed' was never designed to be as heavy or intricate as 'Buffy' so apart from the supernatural elements, I don't think there's much point in comparing them. 'Charmed' ocassionally aims higher than it's typical fun self-contained episodes, and most of the time it's done well. For example, when Cole married Phoebe, turned her evil, got her pregnant, manipulated Paige etc.
As it stands, it's a lighter series than Buffy was but it doesn't make it any less entitled to be on the TV. Depends on my mood what I'm looking for, but an Aaron Spelling show can usually satisfy anyone's trashy needs, e.g 90210, Melrose Place, Charmed :rolleyes:0 -
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Elmo wrote:Has charmed not been cancelled? Is this not it's final season?
I must admit, I didn't hear about that. But in five years time, more people will be able to name the Halliwell sisters than will be able to name Angel's sidekicks.. all in all, I think Charmed has been more successful.
Jill, the amazing nerdly off-topicinator, would like to apologise in advance for the following ranting.Yes lets dismiss christianity as a Fairy Tale when Vampires are pretty much a creation based upon Christianity.
No, vampires are not. There is a form of vampire legend in almost every single culture in the world, and many grew up independantly of Christianity. The Christian aspects were added later. Early European vampire legends portrayed them as essentially zombies, The Grudge-Stylee. Basically, if you died in the grip of a powerful rage, or obsessed with unsated vengeance, you didn't stay dead. You wandered around taking it out on any old shmuck. So Eastern Europeans used to bury people upside down, so when they'd try to dig themselves out... Whedon incorporated the Christian bits as plot devices that modern Western audiences expected, nothing more.Why did Buffy The Vampire usE The Cruifix as a weapon if Christianity is a fair tale. But then we get in to subtext and all that, lets read way to much into Buffy etc etc.
Yes, lets. You've missed an important distinction. Buffy never used a Crucifix. A crucifix is a specifically Christian symbol - Christ dying. What Buffy used was a cross, two plain ol' perpendicular pieces of wood. Cross symbols date back to pagan earth religions, probably representative of four elements. Crosses are afforded no more reverence than Willow's pentagrams or Buffy's crossbow bolts. Joss Whedon is a vocal athiest and has gone to extreme lengths to neutralise any Christian associations beyond surface level. Angel, Faith and Caleb are the only characters overtly associated with Christianity, but the one thing all three have in common is that they are, on occasion, brutal killers. According to folks in the know, Buffy's moral system more closely resembles Buddhism.Of course Dracual isn't a subtext to Brab Stokers Sexuality. As far as I am aware most Vampire centred drama's revolve around the subtext of Sexuality.
Indeed they do, but Buffy was never about vampires, and after the second season vampires were rarely characterised as sexual creatures. The shows more interesting explorations of sexuality revolved around normal people. Normal superpowered people, I'll grant you, but normal nonetheless.:DPersonally the Green guy in the last series of buffy was over the top in the extreame. Should I take the show seriously or not?
I'm Jill Valentine, and I'm an unholy pain in the ass. The Green Guy was in Angel, Buffy's little brother show, and the moral of his story was that appearances lie...0 -
Elmo wrote:Has charmed not been cancelled? Is this not it's final season?
The WB has yet to make a final decision about 'Charmed' coming back for another season. Normally it's one of the shows that gets an early pick-up but this season the WB are holding off. The executive producer/ show runner Brad Kern has written the end of the season to also function as a series ender *IF* it gets cancelled, but he's also willing to keep going in the even it gets renewed
His new series based on a mermaid trying to live a normal human life in Miami is hopefully going to be on The WB this fall regardless. Produced by Aaron Spelling no lessBuffy the Vampire Slayer is far better written the Charmed, had better actors and better production values.
I'd have to agree that the production values in 'Charmed' are of a lower standard, but then I'm sure part of the appeal of the series from a network point of view is the moderate budget required for each episode versus the returns in viewers. I would also agree that 'Buffy' made more of an effort to cast good actors that could deliver, whereas 'Charmed' casting is more based on appearance Still though, Charisma Carpenter (Cordelia) is a recurring face this season on 'Charmed'. As for the writing front, again, they're both 'supernatural dramas' but they're very different series.None of which, to be fair, is really Charmed's fault, but the ongoing success of Charmed, and the enormously unfair cancellation of Angel, leaves me baffled and infuriated.
Since I like both series, I'm glad that one of them is still on the air, and that 'Angel' didn't perform well even with 'Charmed' as a lead-in and still got renewed for a 5th season was surprising to me. Ratings for S5 were modest but not enough to get it renewed. Ultimately I think 'Angel' was lucky to survive as long as it did on The WB.In a different thread, somebody posted that they simply refused to believe Buffy was capable of depth, and that about sums up the general sentiment...
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Right you are. I've unfairly singled out Charmed, but I use it as an example of the subgenre is represents. That Point Pleasant, and (Shame, Dushku, Shame!!!) Tru Calling both belong to the same subgenre is a source of fandom embarrassment that I intend to daintily tiptoe over...
Again, I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with how Charmed etc attract their trade. But if I lump, say, "The Shawshank Redemption" into the same conversation as "Lusty Lesbos in Cuffs III - Bullwhips Behind Bars" people would spot the difference. Not so with Charmed Vs. Buffy.
Now, the boards.er TV audience is decidedly alternative, and doesn't yet represent a cross section of society as a whole. "Millennium" or "American Gothic" are run of the mill conversation here, but I'll bet you any money that a survey on Grafton Street would come up with Charmed as the most widely recognised supernatural show on tv today.
Then again, those people don't matter. They aren't boards.ers. :cool:0 -
I'll bet you any money that a survey on Grafton Street would come up with Charmed as the most widely recognised supernatural show on tv today.
I think it'd be close between 'Buffy' and 'Charmed' on that score, since they're easily the most visible on Irish TV, and 'Buffy' is also widely known from BBC and Sky One. 'Charmed' isn't really as instantly visible across multiple channels unless you've got access to Living and/or Channel 5.
Mmmm I think 'Buffy' might actually be the first supernatural drama that comes to the average person on Grafton St. But I'm not a gambler so I won't be putting money on it
*edit* or maybe 'The X-Files', depending on how stringent the criteria of 'supernatural drama' is. 0 -
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*edit* or maybe 'The X-Files', depending on how stringent the criteria of 'supernatural drama' is.
Bugger. Just as I was reading down through the thread that ocurred to me.Elmo wrote:Why would you write a supernatural drama if you where an athiest. I assume that he believes in an afterlife, but he doesn't believe in Christianity.????? That does not make him an athiest.
No, he doesn't believe in an afterlife. He's very much an athiest. There's an episode where a character dies that's all about his own disillusionment with death. He's bitter that when somebody he loves dies, he has no spiritual consolation to lean on where others do. Believers can tell themselves there was a reason, and that the person has gone on to a better place. Joss Whedon, and thus Buffy Summers, can't. There's no higher state of existance Just a body where a person used to be.Elmo wrote:It was just called Buffy the Vampier Slayer (That threw me off), and the main character (her name is in the title) had a relationship with two vampires. Why bother with a supernatural drama if your only going to talk about normal people?
A number of reasons. Firstly, the demons, vampires etc. function as plot devices: The episode may be an exploration of how inadequate language is for communication, but it uses evil floaty fairy tale demons to put the plot in place.
Second, the show deals with normal people in the sense that they behave realistically in unreal situations. Buffy's a normal high school teen. An unhealthy love of clashing colours, fractured family relationships, and occasionally obscure music taste. There's nothing obviously exceptional about her until she's called upon to help people. The idea is that we all have the potential to be heroes, though our heroics are more mundane. Buffy might kill vampires to save people. We might help a lost kid in a toyshop.
Buffy's extraordinary world offers Whedon opportunities to deal in emotions and drama that Other Teenage Drama Shows Can't Reach. Few can deny that Buffy being forced to kill her lover was exceptional dramatic tragedy - that she killed him to prevent the world being sucked into hell isn't really something that My So Called Life could have dealt with. So on the one hand, it's a bitter reflection on the cost of growing up. On the other hand - kickass sword fight!!! Woo!!0 -
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