Okay....erm...PS3 IS HERE!

Deadwing

unreal 2 ont he pc weighs in at around 4 gigs, doom 3 is 3 gigs afaik, who knows how much bigger next gen games will be, bigger than a standard dvd anyway id say

Ciaran500

I think it will be a while before we start to see games on blu-ray discs. They will stick to DVD-9 untill they have to switch.

po0k

Kazaanova wrote:

Also theres something odd about those reflections, it looks like its in a Sony brochure kinda thing, but the acutal photo of it looks like it was taken while the PS3 was being displayed in a booth/public place. Cant understand it.

Reflectively mapping a texture onto the model during rendering.

Placebo

why is the background white and why is the reflection on the pics something else [like a hall]
also if they look like promo shots and promo shots certainly dont have halls reflecting in em..

faKe

Chalk

its a render on a computer.

they did it with psp a few months ago....

hairball

you also need to remember that games like doom 3 are special cases...with massive ammounts of data for textures, more detailed character models and animations etc..most developers sadly, don't work to these levels due to budgetary constraints, time factors or just plain incompetence or lazyness (ahen ..*cough* ea..), so I think developers would be hard pressed to make a game that took up 500 gigs at current levels of game design anyways
would be interested to see the diff it would make to movies tho

Winters

hairball wrote:

you also need to remember that games like doom 3 are special cases...with massive ammounts of data for textures, more detailed character models and animations etc..most developers sadly, don't work to these levels due to budgetary constraints, time factors or just plain incompetence or lazyness (ahen ..*cough* ea..), so I think developers would be hard pressed to make a game that took up 500 gigs at current levels of game design anyways
would be interested to see the diff it would make to movies tho

eh no.

Games on average are taking up at least 3 -> 4GB for PC anyway. Also, they are being slow to move to DvD only releases and a lot are sticking with loads of CD's. The last few games I have bought (And I do mean bought) have all come on 4 CD's.

Blu-ray will offer HighDef quality for movies and 25GB/50GB for single/dual later disc's. (HD-DVD is only 15/30GB). Blu-ray is designed for high storage for High Defination [sp?] playback .... as someday we shall all be moving from our low quality TV to our nice super HighDef tv's. Blu-ray also will allow recordable and re-recordable discs so that we can record tv. However, the PS3 will not feature recording capibilities.

So games will now be able to become even more detailed as they have a better resolution to play with, for PS3 console anyway.

Also, clearly a fake pic.

Infini

Ciaran500 wrote:

I think it will be a while before we start to see games on blu-ray discs. They will stick to DVD-9 untill they have to switch.

True that might be the casebut when you think about it they didn't use CD based PS2 games beyond the original launch line-up, most of them wen't to DVD. It's probably gonna be the same with Blu-ray. The initial line-up might be DVD but they'll probably move to Blue-ray after the initial launch expecially with the tenfold increase in capacity size (PS2 games are currently only DVD-5). Also they are fake when you look carefully although they are damn good fakes.

Ciaran500

IIRC alot of early PS2 games were released on CD.

hairball

yes, fair enough, but that still relies on the willingness of games companies to spend more time on levels of detail in their games...you think making a gameworld more detailed or more expansive is just gonna automatically happen because there's more space available..?? I doubt it

stevenmu

I think BluRay has better copy protection than dvds, besides how many people are likely to have a BluRay burner in the next year or so. That'd make it pretty attractive to game companies.

Winters

hairball wrote:

yes, fair enough, but that still relies on the willingness of games companies to spend more time on levels of detail in their games...you think making a gameworld more detailed or more expansive is just gonna automatically happen because there's more space available..?? I doubt it

Electronic Arts and Vivendi have already thrown their support behind Blu-Ray as the next format.

Also, for more information on Blu-Ray check out: http://www.blu-ray.com/

hairball

again, good point, if everyone's using the technology, games companies won't have much choice .
If the media hardware only plays blu ray then that'll have to be the release media...I still wouldn't expect the dev budgets on games to increase, not to mention the time spent on making them to increase dramatically tho.
Obviously there will be developers (valve, maybe bungie etc.0 who may try to take advantage, but Ireckon ,on the whole, things won't change that much

hairball

the blu ray website, does indeed ,make for interesting reading.
If games companies truly are about to take advantage of it, then I'd gladly be proven wrong.
but,I'm afraid I've seen too many false promises from the likes of ea in the past for statements like these to blunt my cyniscism

colin300

Hairball the drive in the PS3 is backward compatible so they dont need to use Blu-Ray yet. They can do alot more with it then they are planning. Hopefully it will have a Hard Drive because that would mean you would not need Memory cards and plus u would be able to get saves off other people around the world. Blu-Ray may have more security but like everything it gets broken. iTunes are fighting to survive at the moment and there going to lose if he can find a way around dvd i am sure he know how to get around blu-ray.

hairball

well, I guess we'll have to wait and see

Ciaran500

Once games start using HD FMV, HD uncompressed textures and uncompressed music the game size will sky rocket. Thats when we will need Blu-Ray.

bounty

1x speed will require a 36.5Mbps data transfer rate, which means it will take about 1 hour and 33 minutes to record 25GB

damm and i though DVD was slow, i think ill wait for the x16 BD-ROM recorders

the japs have alrdy got a few of these x1 recorders http://www.blu-ray.com/recorders/

flogen

colin300 wrote:

Hairball the drive in the PS3 is backward compatible so they dont need to use Blu-Ray yet. They can do alot more with it then they are planning. Hopefully it will have a Hard Drive because that would mean you would not need Memory cards and plus u would be able to get saves off other people around the world. Blu-Ray may have more security but like everything it gets broken. iTunes are fighting to survive at the moment and there going to lose if he can find a way around dvd i am sure he know how to get around blu-ray.

I doubt the PS3 will have a hard-drive out of the box, but maybe as an extra. I figure that memory cards will be slowly gotten rid of in favour of Memory Sticks, which will help with ps3/psp compatibility and will open consumers up to a range of high capacity cards for game saves etc. (and it's a sony format, so why not?)

(oh, and what are iTunes losing to at the moment?)

flogen

colin300

iTunes are battling DVD Jon the guy that broke the dvd encryption and he is giving them a run for there money he broke the DRM part of there software they released a fix then he broke it again so they need to literally rewrite the code because he probably has everything covered at the moment.

At least we know that he is up for a challenge so Blu-Ray with his expertise should be no problem.

On topic is that not a bit anti competitive releasing something so advanced that they dont have a hard drive and plus the memory sticks are pretty dear or is this just a way to buy everything sony because i have seen no generic sony memory sticks like there MMC and all others types.

Ciaran500

Its all just money grabbing.

hairball

yup

Winters

Memory Sticks arnt that expensive tbh. I've got a 1GB stick [on order] for 130EUR. You can pick up 32MB sticks for about the same price those PS Memory Cards are and the Memory Stick DUO's are faster (The DUO PRO faster still) and also compatable with all Sony equiptment that uses Memory Stick [though adaptor] or Memory Stuck Duo's.

Would make a smart move.

I think that interconnectivity between PSP and PS3 will be a big feature on the PS3. I wouldnt be surprised to see it feature 802.11b/g aswell as a Ethernet Port. The wifi would give it direct access to the PSP and at decent speeds (Compared to using IrDA for example).

Also, Id say we could see it giving Internet Access aswell. Sure, they are suppose to be working on it for the PSP at the moment so id say you should be able to do it on the PS3.

ressem

Apples iTunes does the encryption on the client. And there's no hardware support for secure clients other than stuff like intel's processor id which everyone disables, and which could probably be spoofed.

If BluRay has CPRM support competently built into all drives from the start, without the software slipup like that which allowed the DVD css key to be read, then it will be hard for people to write a decss type decryption routine, perhaps requiring specialised hardware like the professional copiers will build.

Corben Dallas

MAN THATS SWEET!!!!!! (prob fake tho')

looks like a real Sony product and the UMD slot would work well as u could play yur UMD movies on the PS3 and PSP cool! The XBox2 will def have wireless controllers as standard cant see Sony letting that one go PS3 will (probably) have them as well

Best PS3<? image seen yet!

PiE

Looks more like a Projector.

Giblet

That's a a god awful fake!

Mossy Monk

looks sexy though

Illuvatar

It would be nice if they used memory sticks, you could then easly switch between your PSP and PS3.
You can deffinitly tell we're moving up in technoligy.

Retr0gamer

It's fake and utter bull. Sony have just released real information on the PS3 and pictures of the new console. They say that the console is 3 times more powerful than the PS1. I'll post the official picture of the new console in a minute.