West Ham Players

PHB · 27-03-2005 8:22pm #1

I've been thinking about this for a bit now, how many quality players came out of the West Ham youth academy?

Rio Ferdinand
Frank Lampard
Joe Cole

Is there anyone else?

smiaras · 27-03-2005 8:25pm

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Headshot · 27-03-2005 8:26pm

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Glen Johnson not the best example

smiaras · 27-03-2005 8:40pm

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Seaneh · 27-03-2005 9:17pm

Cole
Ferdinand
A. ferdinand
Lampard
Carrick
Johnson
Defoe
Bywater
there are more but im lazy.

Slash/ED · 27-03-2005 9:53pm

You have somehow managed to omit Gary Breen from your list.

Seaneh · 27-03-2005 11:24pm

Slash/ED wrote:

You have somehow managed to omit Gary Breen from your list.

ROFL!

The Muppet · 28-03-2005 11:40am

Di Canio

They had a great squad a few years ago . Like Forest I don't know how they got relegated, well I do but you know what I mean.

PHB · 28-03-2005 11:41am

Thats just crazy like,

United's best crop of players produced

Butt - Premiership Class
Giggs - World Class
Beckham - World Class
Scholes - World Class
Neville - World Class
P Neville- Premiership Class

A Cole - World Class almost

Lampard - World Class
Ferdinand - World Class
A. ferdinand- Premiership Class
Carrick - Good player
Johnson- Premiership Class
Defoe- Premiership Class
Bywater - No idea

Thats 3 world class players, and three solid premiehsip players.
Why oh why did they sell them

case n basket · 28-03-2005 11:59am

PHB wrote:

Thats just crazy like,

United's best crop of players produced

Butt - Premiership Class
Giggs - World Class
Beckham - World Class
Scholes - World Class
Neville - World Class
P Neville- Premiership Class

A Cole - World Class almost
Lampard - World Class
Ferdinand - World Class
A. ferdinand- Premiership Class
Carrick - Good player
Johnson- Premiership Class
Defoe- Premiership Class
Bywater - No idea

Thats 3 world class players, and three solid premiehsip players.
Why oh why did they sell them

Eh, Joe Cole, not Ashley Cole...

Some of those classifications are... interesting

Thanx 4 The Fish · 28-03-2005 12:16pm

PHB wrote:

Thats just crazy like,

United's best crop of players produced

Butt - Premiership Class
Giggs - World Class
Beckham - World Class
Scholes - World Class
Neville - World Class
P Neville- Premiership Class

A Cole - World Class almost
Lampard - World Class
Ferdinand - World Class
A. ferdinand- Premiership Class
Carrick - Good player
Johnson- Premiership Class
Defoe- Premiership Class
Bywater - No idea

Thats 3 world class players, and three solid premiehsip players.
Why oh why did they sell them

Glad that you brought this thread which was completely unrelated to united back around to them.

When did Ashley cole play for West Ham ?

Also I may be a bit out of it but I cannot remember Di Canio playing for West Ham youths.

46 mil received by west ham for Rio Ferdinand (plus whatever they got from his sale to united), Frank Lampard, Joe Cole, Jermaine Defoe, Glen Johnson and Michael Carrick, not a bad haul.

case n basket · 28-03-2005 12:19pm

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote:

46 mil received by west ham for Rio Ferdinand (plus whatever they got from his sale to united), Frank Lampard, Joe Cole, Jermaine Defoe, Glen Johnson and Michael Carrick, not a bad haul.

IIRC they got 18 for Ferdinand, 11 for Lampard, 6 for Cole, 7 for Defoe, 6 for Johnson and 3 for Carrick... 51 mill?

PHB · 28-03-2005 12:42pm

A cole was just a copy and paste, it wsa meant to be Joe Cole.

My point is Uniteds success was build around their youth team, and West Ham had the same standerd haul but somehow are now challenging for promotion.
Thats just crazy

Headshot · 28-03-2005 1:05pm

joe cole has improved so much this season

luck for him robben is out for 2 more weeks

Cianan2 · 28-03-2005 1:11pm

Dont forget Frederic Kanouté(well,hes not from the youth,but he came out of West Ham.....). He's pretty quality,too.

smiaras · 28-03-2005 1:36pm

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The Muppet · 28-03-2005 5:17pm

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote:

Also I may be a bit out of it but I cannot remember Di Canio playing for West Ham youths.

Of Course he didn't , I was just expanding on the quality squad West Ham had and still got relegated. I had forgottenr Kanout was there at the time as well. Why did they get rid of harry? I think that was a big mistake.

Johnny_the_fox · 28-03-2005 10:37pm

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he is English.

Boro · 29-03-2005 11:53am

Frank Lampard fell out with the management and the fans got on his back a lot. 11 million for him was a great deal at the time.
The Rio Ferdinand money bought a stand apparently. They also got some from a sell on clause i think. It was just too much to turn down at the time.
Joe Cole and Glen Johnson left because the club were relegated and were stuck for cash. Both wanted to improve their chances of playing for england. Understandable from Cole but GJ had only played something like 11 games at the time. What was amazing was that Chelsea paid the same money for both (give or take a few hundred grand). I think the original deal was that GJ was going to be loaned straight back to west ham for a season or two bt when Ranieri saw him in training he said something like "this lad is too good, we'll keep him here". Joey Cole was also going to be loaned out to Spartak Moscow (i think - maybe CSKA) straight after signing but he kicked up a huge fuss about it and eventually he stayed.
Defoe scored a load of goals on loan in the 2nd div, then came back to west ham and scored 9 or 10 the season they were relegated. Put in a transfer request the same day they were finally relegated. Bit of a mercenary as he left charlton as well to go to west ham so he could 'play with his mates' or something.
Anton Ferdinand is very raw at the moment. Not premiership class yet. He also hasnt played that many games (about 20-25 i think) and has played more as a right back than as a central defender. He is the spit of Rio though and supposedly was a better player at his age than Rio was.
Michael Carrick had been threatening to leave for years. He was an excellent player for WHU, especially after Lampard left. He was cracking in the goals until he changed his style of play to a more defensive role. He will do the buisiness for spurs and will be an england player again soon.
Bywater was actually bought from Rochdale in 98. He looks like he could be a good keeper but tends to make a few mistakes.

A lot of west ham fans that i know blame Terry Brown (the chairman) for West Hams problems. The amazing thing is that despite all the money they made from the sales of the family silverware, they are still in debt. They regularly have crowds of 25000-30000 so that isnt the problem. A lot of money was wasted on crap imports by Harry & co also - Radociou, Boogers, Abou (must have eaten a dodgy missionary), Dani, etc. Saying that though, Harry saved them a couple of times with players like Hartson & Kitson.

When they appointed Glenn Roeder though, they went from bad to worse. Especially when he and the board fell out with DiCanio. That ruined squad morale and even when mr popular (Trevor Brooking) came in, he couldnt save them.

PHB wrote:

My point is Uniteds success was build around their youth team, and West Ham had the same standerd haul but somehow are now challenging for promotion.

West Ham won the FA Youth cup and most of those players werent even in it. They just couldnt kick on from it. Also a thing to remember is that ManU are considered a big club, not too many would try (or succeed) at poaching their youngsters. The same couldnt be said for west ham. And about the only thing West Ham are challenging for at the moment is 6th place. They are doing terribly - AND the premiership parachute money stops for them this year. They have to do it now or maybe never....

To finish, a quote from Harry: "Even when they had Moore, Hurst and Peters, West Ham's average finish was about 17th. It just shows how crap the other 8 of us were"

BolBill · 29-03-2005 1:17pm

LOL !!! Rio and quality in the same sentance, very funny. Rios an over rated ball watcher, just ask Crespo

cournioni · 29-03-2005 2:24pm

BolBill wrote:

LOL !!! Rio and quality in the same sentance, very funny. Rios an over rated ball watcher, just ask Crespo

:rolleyes:

The Muppet · 29-03-2005 2:45pm

BolBill wrote:

LOL !!! Rio and quality in the same sentance, very funny. Rios an over rated ball watcher, just ask Crespo

Very informative contribution. You were missed in your absence.

BolBill · 29-03-2005 3:55pm

The Muppet wrote:

Very informative contribution. You were missed in your absence.

Yeah sorry, just cant stand Rio, think its funny that everyone rates him.

Had to take some time off, glad you missed me

Emmo · 29-03-2005 4:11pm

In all fairness Rio is a very good centre back and does a great job for United. He should be partnered with someone who attacks the ball in the air and will break people up via fair tackles instead of The baked Bean or Sivestre.

I would personally love to see Rio and Jamie Carragher as Liverpool's centre backs.

I think Rio would compliment Jamie perfectly, speedy and good at sweeping up while Jamie man marks and tough tackles.

Only issue would be Jamie's height against expirements in vertical nonsense like Peter Crouch, that said he wouldnt get a free header and I think Jamie would do enough to make sure that any header won would be off target.

Crespo should never have got a free header against United, poor from Rio but also poor from the rest of the team.

Emmo

PHB · 29-03-2005 9:20pm

If Rio is **** please explain this statistic:

Man United's goals concedded
With Rio in the team: 11 in 24
Without Rio in the team: 6 in 6
An average of one per game to an average of below a half a game, what does that tell you about him?

Emmo · 29-03-2005 11:17pm

statistics can be made to say anything you want, I hate when people bring stupid statistics like this into play. You need to qualify that statistic with a few caveats please.

1st who did they play without him and who did they play with him

2nd where they home or away games?

3rd who played with him, ie his team!

4rth how many mins did he play in those games

This is the same as the Liverpool win more games without Steven Gerrard statistic.

Bottom line, I dont know any Liverpool fan that wouldnt want Gerrard in the team and yet people still try to say we win more without him.

Rio is a good player, at times he looks sloppy and can ball watch when the ball is whipped in from wide but along the deck there is no one better at sweeping at the moment, IMO.

He needs to improve his concetration on highballs and in man to man situations (corners, free kicks etc etc) but I would rather have him on my team that against my team.

Emmo

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