Are SF trying to shoot themselves in the foot.

mycroft

Danny Morrison, senior SF commentary has writen this editorial for the Daily Ireland

full text here

Essentially it's a an account of the death of Kennedy's babysitter in 1969, with the implication that someone with as chequered a history has the right to critcize republicans (stop smirking in the back)

I'm staggered by this.

It's not like this event hasn't been the the public domain for 36 years!

SF and IRA have been happy to accept Kennedy's support for decades, are we to expect that Mc Guinness was in his dentist and picked up a 35yo copy of newsweek, and his jaw dropped. This events have been in the public domain for so long and SF have been more than happy to milk and take Kennedy's support for decades, but now theres a whimper of discontent theres a senior republician commentary, getting the boot in over 35yo tradegy.

This isn't going to win friends in the Kennedy camp, and beggars the question, between them SF/IRA reaction to Mc Carthy's murder are they trying to destroy their credibilty with their two most important support groups, Nationalists communities and Irish American money?

Squaletto

SF and IRA have been happy to accept Kennedy's support for decades, are we to expect that Mc Guinness was in his dentist and picked up a 35yo copy of newsweek, and his jaw dropped. This events have been in the public domain for so long and SF have been more than happy to milk and take Kennedy's support for decades, but now theres a whimper of discontent theres a senior republician commentary, getting the boot in over 35yo tradegy.

Hi Mycroft, I read the article and didn't see where it stated Mc Guinness or the republican movement's feelings on the Kennedy affair. Could you assist us with that, thanks. By the way how is Kennedy's role in the affair a tragedy? Help me figure that one out please! Some people will say that because it happened 35 years ago then it is okay, others including me, still think it rings of cover up. Care to let us know how you feel on the matter?

Rock Climber

heh
It's obvious that the shunning of Adams by the political higherarchy in the U.S was sorely felt.

Thing is though, its fairly foul smelling sour grapes because, an article in the Daily Ireland will have no effect on Ted Kennedys standing whereas, criticism from Irish American politicians of Sinn Féin cuts deep.
The kennedys have always had a royal family type staus in the states so Morrison was wasting his time writing that article.

It does serve one usefull purpose, its words will probably be eye candy in a sea of rotten teeth for those that need to be buoyed up in Republicanism after the recent and on go-ing bad publicity that they are getting.

He should have submitted the article to the other Sunday papers as well to get it to a much bigger audience,I'm sure they would have printed it, since it's such a remarkable scoop.*


*anybody and everybody that knows anything about the kennedys will know that, that incident is common knowledge and scuppered Ted Kennedys chances of running for president,it never dampened his popularity as a senator though or his standing among Irish americans.

A Dub in Glasgo

So Danny Morrison wrote an article which effectively accused Kennedy of not being squeaky clean himself

How can anybody disagree? I am sure Morrison will not be on the Christmas card list of Kennedy for highlighting the episode.

Mycroft - don't be so staggered if someone else writes an article stating that Bush is not squeaky clean either. You know the one, where someone links his actions to the death of 100,000 civilians in the last 2 years. It is astonishing turn of events that people can link him.

poneill

Danny is not the best driver in the world himself and will admit that freely if you ask him .

He should not comment on the driving skills of others I always tell him . God he went on and on and on , what IS wrong with him and with Gerry nowadays

Were I witty rather than slightly (but effectively) droll I would be tempted to add that its a karma thing .

A Dub in Glasgo

A Dub in Glasgo wrote:

Mycroft - don't be so staggered if someone else writes an article stating that Bush is not squeaky clean either. You know the one, where someone links his actions to the death of 100,000 civilians in the last 2 years. It is astonishing turn of events that people can link him.

Or Clinton for that matter, but he put a hell of a lot into the peace process too.
I think what we are seeing here is a clouding of the issue.
I mean one could bring up the Whitewater affair, numerous cigars and some foreign wars and say its all not good.

What I want to know is will Danny have an article denegrating Clinton next week because he has a murky past or is this piece coincidental to what Kennedy said recently about the IRA?

I dont think anyone can argue against it being a specifically targeted attack and not a coincidence
I'd view it in the same light as a piece by Conor Cruise o Brien on Adams and McGuinnes or by Brendan O'Connor to be honest.
It's manna from heaven to their loyal respective audiences
but to the more neutral observer, a tumbler of salt is needed.

A Dub in Glasgo

Earthman wrote:

It's manna from heaven to their loyal respective audiences

Of course it is... Which is why nobody should really be surprised. It happens all the time. When people try to get 'moral' about events, they had better make sure they are whiter than white otherwise something like this is flung back to them.

mycroft

A Dub in Glasgo wrote:

Of course it is... Which is why nobody should really be surprised. It happens all the time. When people try to get 'moral' about events, they had better make sure they are whiter than white otherwise something like this is flung back to them.

And the point of my post is this.

Morrison and (nice to see you're back squallato, google morrison you'll see he has an aleister campbell essque involvement in the repubilcan movement) the republican movement have known about this event for decades and have declined to notice it, and accepted Kennedy's praise and support, and happily had their photo taken with the man.

Now when Kennedy chooses to condemn the republican movement a senior member of the repubulican movement seems happy to drag up an event they have had total awareness of, but have choosen to ignore, until Kennedy stops wearing his Sinn Fein pom poms.

So danny morrison decision to condemn kennedy's decision to get "moral" is a tad rich.

mycroft - don't be so staggered if someone else writes an article stating that Bush is not squeaky clean either. You know the one, where someone links his actions to the death of 100,000 civilians in the last 2 years. It is astonishing turn of events that people can link him.

Yeah and the repubilcan movements condemnation of the Mc Carthys meeting Bush and the implication of what kind of justice will they get from a mass murderer ignores the fact that your leaders will fall over yourselves for a photop with the man. Glass houses, et all.....

A Dub in Glasgo

mycroft wrote:

And the point of my post is this.

Morrison and (nice to see you're back squallato, google morrison you'll see he has an aleister campbell essque involvement in the repubilcan movement) the republican movement have known about this event for decades and have declined to ignore it, and accepted Kennedy's praise and support, and happily had their photo taken with the man.

Now when Kennedy chooses to condemn the republican movement a senior member of the repubulican movement seems happy to drag up an event they have had total awareness of, but have choosen to ignore, until Kennedy stops wearing his Sinn Fein pom poms.

So danny morrison decision to condemn kennedy's decision to get "moral" is a tad rich.

They are not the first and certainly will not be the last people in politics to use people and events for their own ends. Again, why the surprise? Earthman gave a more eloquent reason why these articles are published.

Yeah and the repubilcan movements condemnation of the Mc Carthys meeting Bush and the implication of what kind of justice will they get from a mass murderer ignores the fact that your leaders will fall over yourselves for a photop with the man. Glass houses, et all.....

Hardly my leaders? I am in Glasgow and cannot even vote in Ireland.

I would disagree with SF meeting Bush, just like I disagree with Ahern meeting Bush. Trouble is... people in politics use every opportunity for their own ends. Bush uses the St. Patricks Day presentation of a huge bowl of shamrocks for his own ends as well. He couldn't give a damn about a bowl of shamrocks yet he goes through the motions for politics.

Glass houses for everyone then

mycroft

A Dub in Glasgo wrote:

I would disagree with SF meeting Bush, just like I disagree with Ahern meeting Bush. Trouble is... people in politics use every opportunity for their own ends. Bush uses the St. Patricks Day presentation of a huge bowl of shamrocks for his own ends as well. He couldn't give a damn about a bowl of shamrocks yet he goes through the motions for politics.

Glass houses for everyone then

PS You might want to contribute to this thread

Cute my ban finishes tomorrow.

I'm getting curious here a dub, what can or would be the final straw of SF leadership to make you walk away from the party.

And you don't answer the crucial point, why do SF seem to think they can fling abuse about the history of a politician they've courted for years.

And having a sig which shows the leaders of the 1916 rising clearly shows your politics on your shirt cuff

cdebru

Danny Morrison is not a member of Sinn Fein his views are his own I had not read the article by Morrison but was just discussing it with someone today about teddy and his past and indeed the kennedy past and the denial of justice for many people who the kennedys offended against it is a little ironic

as is going to a man who is probably responsible for the deaths of more innocernt civilians in the last year or two than any other person alive.

as for SF and america that can never be an ongoing thing SF has tried to ride two horses at the same time fro the last ten years it is a miracle they have not been thrown off one before now
at home they are republican socialists with statements about private property etc they are aligned with the communists in Europe they criticise american foreign policy at every turn
then they jet off to the USA and have fundraising dinners and meetings with republicans and democrats who they have absolutely nothing in common with politically or socially

mycroft

cdebru wrote:

Danny Morrison is not a member of Sinn Fein his views are his own I had not read the article by Morrison but was just discussing it with someone today about teddy and his past and indeed the kennedy past and the denial of justice for many people who the kennedys offended against it is a little ironic

Morrison is a pro SF columinist. Google will give you over 10,000 links to Morrison and pro SF and republican articles. Your pov is like me saying "Conor Cruise O Brien isn't in the the DUP" as a counter attack to his POV.

And you miss my point, again, SF have enjoyed and courted Kennedy for decades, and now, only, now, is Kennedys track record called into question. It's not like Adams Guinness et all have been blindly ignorant of this hithero unknown scandal. They've known, they ignored it, and when the shoes on the other foot, suddenly it's getting morally outraged by Kennedy's history.

Where has this outrage been for the last 30 years?

as is going to a man who is probably responsible for the deaths of more innocernt civilians in the last year or two than any other person alive.

Um exaggerate much? Mugabe is still around, as are chunks of pol pot's team. And also, pinochet, and oh a man SF leadrership have ached to to be in a photo op with for years, George Bush.

as for SF and america that can never be an ongoing thing SF has tried to ride two horses at the same time fro the last ten years it is a miracle they have not been thrown off one before now
at home they are republican socialists with statements about private property etc they are aligned with the communists in Europe they criticise american foreign policy at every turn
then they jet off to the USA and have fundraising dinners and meetings with republicans and democrats who they have absolutely nothing in common with politically or socially

Ah so it's a good thing that they're hyprocrites?

So who exactly are they lying to? The people of NI when the privatise hosipitals? Or in sligo when they voted for the Bin tax? Or when they did the photo op with bush when they were opposed to the war?

I'm a little unclear. Do you think it's a good thing they're hyprocrites? Or just hyprocrites aganist those you oppose, or do you have issues that they just in general? Or does that bother you at all that SF occasionally lie? And if the last point is true, how do you trust em at all?

Sand

SF and IRA have been happy to accept Kennedy's support for decades, are we to expect that Mc Guinness was in his dentist and picked up a 35yo copy of newsweek, and his jaw dropped. This events have been in the public domain for so long and SF have been more than happy to milk and take Kennedy's support for decades, but now theres a whimper of discontent theres a senior republician commentary, getting the boot in over 35yo tradegy.

From what Ive learned about this, a copy of Danny Morrison's article was faxed to Kennedys offices in Washington. The Sindo claims that Kennedy is understandbly outraged over this muckraking and that Adams and co are one word away from being banned from the US. And it was Kennedys intervention that persuaded Clinton to grant Adams a visa. Which was worth 750K dollars to them last year alone. To save the sneers of the SF/IRA fanboys Ill admit this is small change compared to the 26 million they robbed from the NIB but every penny counts. Wasnt it Haas, Bushes special advisor to NI who died on his arse when he was asked by reporters " If SF/IRA were Arabs would we be letting them into the country?" It seems from the way SF/IRA have attacked Irish Americans that they are only good for contributing cash for the "struggle", not opinions.

Theres also the anti-Bush slurs against the McCartneys...attacking them for meeting Bush when Adams was happy to do so for the past ....oooooh 4 years or so at least. I don't know what it is with SF/IRA. Their political and economical analysis is locked into the 1920s, it seems their awareness of technology is too. How else can you explain their willingness to piss off their main benefactor in the U.S? Did they think he wouldnt find out about it?

Danny Morrison is not a member of Sinn Fein his views are his own I had not read the article by Morrison but was just discussing it with someone today about teddy and his past and indeed the kennedy past and the denial of justice for many people who the kennedys offended against it is a little ironic

Danny Morrison is a snivelling provo toerag. Out of curiosity do you consider it equally ironic when Adams talks about truth and justice? If you dont, Kennedys past isnt yours to judge.

When people try to get 'moral' about events, they had better make sure they are whiter than white otherwise something like this is flung back to them.

Pass that advice along to Gerry. Have O Snodaighs terrorist lackeys dug anything up on McDowell yet? Harris claims theyre busy working on a dossier for him - paranoia or realpolitick?

Hardly my leaders? I am in Glasgow and cannot even vote in Ireland.

[SF/IRA]An Irishman living under British rule? Thats unpossible!!!!! Surely you must be condemed to a life of servitude in their cruel coal mining death camps, banned from celebrating the catholic faith and routinely assaulted on the streets by roving gangs of loyalists backed up by the British Army, MI5 and the corrupt British police!!!!! Say the word brother and well leave a no warning bomb in a British school to protect you!!! And whatabout Bloody Sunday!!!!![/SF/IRA]

cdebru

mycroft wrote:

Morrison is a pro SF columinist. Google will give you over 10,000 links to Morrison and pro SF and republican articles. Your pov is like me saying "Conor Cruise O Brien isn't in the the DUP" as a counter attack to his POV.

And you miss my point, again, SF have enjoyed and courted Kennedy for decades, and now, only, now, is Kennedys track record called into question. It's not like Adams Guinness et all have been blindly ignorant of this hithero unknown scandal. They've known, they ignored it, and when the shoes on the other foot, suddenly it's getting morally outraged by Kennedy's history.

Where has this outrage been for the last 30 years?



Um exaggerate much? Mugabe is still around, as are chunks of pol pot's team. And also, pinochet, and oh a man SF leadrership have ached to to be in a photo op with for years, George Bush.



Ah so it's a good thing that they're hyprocrites?

So who exactly are they lying to? The people of NI when the privatise hosipitals? Or in sligo when they voted for the Bin tax? Or when they did the photo op with bush when they were opposed to the war?

I'm a little unclear. Do you think it's a good thing they're hyprocrites? Or just hyprocrites aganist those you oppose, or do you have issues that they just in general? Or does that bother you at all that SF occasionally lie? And if the last point is true, how do you trust em at all?

morrison may be pro sinn fein but their is a difference betwwen that and speaking on behalf of the party

actually to my mind the kennedys were always alot closer to john hume and the SDLP
thats not to say sinn fein have not courted them as they have plenty of other american politicians i just think it is ironic a man like teddy with his checkered past lecturing on the rule of law

without checking i doubt very much that mugabe or what is left of the khymer rouge have killed any way near as many as bush has managed in Iraq in the last 2 years

lastly i dont trust any political party
and they all lie every last one of them and this may come as a shock to you but i am not a shinner as i have said many times

I am amazed that they have got away with it in america for so long I mena this is the internet age doesn't any of the american politicians ever look into what SF alledgedly stans for

cdebru

Sand wrote:

Danny Morrison is a snivelling provo toerag. Out of curiosity do you consider it equally ironic when Adams talks about truth and justice? If you dont, Kennedys past isnt yours to judge.

AFAIK adams has never been charged or convicted of anything

and even if he was I see a huge difference between someone being involved in an armed struggle and someone drinking and driving killing the babysitter and running off

Sand wrote:

[SF/IRA]An Irishman living under British rule? Thats unpossible!!!!! Surely you must be condemed to a life of servitude in their cruel coal mining death camps, banned from celebrating the catholic faith and routinely assaulted on the streets by roving gangs of loyalists backed up by the British Army, MI5 and the corrupt British police!!!!! Say the word brother and well leave a no warning bomb in a British school to protect you!!! And whatabout Bloody Sunday!!!!![/SF/IRA]

big difference between choosing to live in the UK of your own free will and being forced to live in the UK
and not very observant of you not to notice that Dub in Glasgow might be living in the UK

A Dub in Glasgo

Sand wrote:

Pass that advice along to Gerry. Have O Snodaighs terrorist lackeys dug anything up on McDowell yet? Harris claims theyre busy working on a dossier for him - paranoia or realpolitick?

I have already sent Gerry and Aengus PMs about this issue. I have advised them that mycroft and Sand are outraged

[SF/IRA]An Irishman living under British rule? Thats unpossible!!!!! Surely you must be condemed to a life of servitude in their cruel coal mining death camps, banned from celebrating the catholic faith and routinely assaulted on the streets by roving gangs of loyalists backed up by the British Army, MI5 and the corrupt British police!!!!! Say the word brother and well leave a no warning bomb in a British school to protect you!!! And whatabout Bloody Sunday!!!!![/SF/IRA]

Now, you are just being ridiculous.

I might be moving back to Dublin if I can just get my hands on some of those Northern notes to allow me to keep my standard of living on par with what is available to me in Glasgow

Villain

Sand wrote:

From what Ive learned about this, a copy of Danny Morrison's article was faxed to Kennedys offices in Washington. The Sindo claims that Kennedy is understandbly outraged over this muckraking and that Adams and co are one word away from being banned from the US. And it was Kennedys intervention that persuaded Clinton to grant Adams a visa. Which was worth 750K dollars to them last year alone. To save the sneers of the SF/IRA fanboys Ill admit this is small change compared to the 26 million they robbed from the NIB but every penny counts. Wasnt it Haas, Bushes special advisor to NI who died on his arse when he was asked by reporters " If SF/IRA were Arabs would we be letting them into the country?" It seems from the way SF/IRA have attacked Irish Americans that they are only good for contributing cash for the "struggle", not opinions.

Can someone please provide a link to where Sinn Fein have spoken about this issue, because I can't find any comment on the matter.

AFAIK Danny Morrisson is not a member for Sinn fein.

As for Adams being one word away from being banned from the US thats just nonsense.

FYI Sand, no-one has been arrested in realation to the NIB robbery, so if you have some information that help the PSNI I'd ask you to pass it onto them. But please don't bring that issue up again in this thread there is plenty of threads in which to discuss teh bank robbery.

mycroft

irish1 wrote:

Can someone please provide a link to where Sinn Fein have spoken about this issue, because I can't find any comment on the matter.

AFAIK Danny Morrisson is not a member for Sinn fein.

It's a convient way of SF having someone to say something they'd like to say but disown.

Come on Irish1, look at the Orga SF statement on the Mc Carthy murder, tell me theres not a smiggen of an IRA voice in there.

Republicans have been doing this for decades, having a spokesperson they can disown, but says what they feel.

Are you really that naive?

As for Adams being one word away from being banned from the US thats just nonsense.

Fact? link? proof? Kennedy got Adams in, there may be no love lost between him and this administration, but SF aren't party of the month in washington, and all it will take is a phonecall.


FYI Sand, no-one has been arrested in realation to the NIB robbery, so if you have some information that help the PSNI I'd ask you to pass it onto them. But please don't bring that issue up again in this thread there is plenty of threads in which to discuss teh bank robbery.[/QUOTE]

Villain

mycroft wrote:

It's a convient way of SF having someone to say something they'd like to say but disown.

Come on Irish1, look at the Orga SF statement on the Mc Carthy murder, tell me theres not a smiggen of an IRA voice in there.

Republicans have been doing this for decades, having a spokesperson they can disown, but says what they feel.

Are you really that naive?



Fact? link? proof? Kennedy got Adams in, there may be no love lost between him and this administration, but SF aren't party of the month in washington, and all it will take is a phonecall.


FYI Sand, no-one has been arrested in realation to the NIB robbery, so if you have some information that help the PSNI I'd ask you to pass it onto them. But please don't bring that issue up again in this thread there is plenty of threads in which to discuss teh bank robbery.

[/QUOTE]
MyCroft, just because Danny Morrisson says it doesn't mean Sinn Fein are trying to use this story to get back at Mr Kennedy.

Fact, link, proof??? Exactly I haven't see any thats why I said it was nonsense. If Sinn Fein had been the only party excluded from the St Patricks day cermony I might agree, but all northern parties were excluded and I'm sure they know that without Sinn Fein there is no peace process.

I'm sure kennedy might be pissed off if he saw the story, but I don't honestly believe he would have Adams banned for it, he might just loose a little support himself.

Rock Climber

It doesnt matter anyway, it's a non story and can be seen as sour grapes, arising out of his pal Gerry being snubbed.
Honestly dragging up an event from 30 years ago-silly idea, it only makes the writer look stupid, he should know better than that.

Villain

Rock Climber wrote:

It doesnt matter anyway, it's a non story and can be seen as sour grapes, arising out of his pal Gerry being snubbed.
Honestly dragging up an event from 30 years ago-silly idea, it only makes the writer look stupid, he should know better than that.

why bother starting a thread then?

A Dub in Glasgo

mycroft wrote:

I'm getting curious here a dub, what can or would be the final straw of SF leadership to make you walk away from the party.

It would be hard for me to walk away from the party when I am not in the party nor do I vote for them

And you don't answer the crucial point, why do SF seem to think they can fling abuse about the history of a politician they've courted for years.

Danny Morrison is not in SF and he is now a commentator on NI with obvious Republican leanings. It is his article, not SF's.

Brian Feeney is something similar except he is ex SDLP

And having a sig which shows the leaders of the 1916 rising clearly shows your politics on your shirt cuff

Fancy that, an Irishman proud of the Easter Rising... during Easter week as well. Well I never.

irish1

irish1 wrote:

why bother starting a thread then?

Perhaps you should ask the thread starter and not one of the contributers.
On second thoughts don't.
Leave that to the moderators please.
I'd also suggest that the modus operandi of this thread appears to be to discuss the reasons behind the article, at least thats what I read from it.

Mycroft, no dissing of commemoratives signitures for the 1916 Easter Rising please,it's part of our heritage as is 1798 and a lot of other things.
If you want to do that go start another thread.

Now back on topic.

ADIG has put it fairly well in the comparison between Brian Feeney and Danny Morrison, except I doubt Feeney has given up his membership card of that party.

As regards Morrison, do any of ye know if he has stated that he is not a member of SF? I'd need a link to that as it would be relevant.
If he's not a member, it would be pretty hard to convince me that he's not at least a supporter Irish1 style, although I am not ofay with his stance on the armed struggle vis á vis Irish1's so thats a loose comparison I'm making there.

Villain

Earthman wrote:

If he's not a member, it would be pretty hard to convince me that he's not at least a supporter Irish1 style, although I am not ofay with his stance on the armed struggle vis á vis Irish1's so thats a loose comparison I'm making there.

Very loose

sceptre

Earthman wrote:

As regards Morrison, do any of ye know if he has stated that he is not a member of SF? I'd need a link to that as it would be relevant.

Yeah, have a look here ("I was director of publicity at Sinn Féin until 1990, and I was an IRA member. I am now a member of neither.")

sceptre

irish1 wrote:

Very loose

Although you've never been director of publicity of SF, editor of An Phoblacht or an IRA "volunteer" so it's a little tighter than your association with SF:)

Sponge Bob

Here is the sit-YEE-ayshun so !

1. Morrisson (twas he) stood up over 20 years ago and made That Armalite and the Balllot Box speech.

2. Morrisson (twas he) thereby inserted the shinners into Politics, initially as abstentionists but later on the Shiiners took their seats (in some cases) and the money and funding that goes to elected representatives (in all cases)

I find it astonishing that the man who led the Shinners into politics , and who has never disavowed the political end of the dual strategy, would suddenly not be a member of that party whose rationale for existing was spelt out by Morrisson all those years ago.

In fact , in the public eye, Morrisson was identified with the ballot box more than with the armalite , unlike Adams and that sit-YEE-ayshun muppet . This was the case for much of the 1980s until he was arrested at a West Belfast House Party and locked up for a few years .

He rose rapidly thru the ranks of the IRA to become OC in Long Kesh for a while .

cdebru

Rock Climber wrote:

It doesnt matter anyway, it's a non story and can be seen as sour grapes, arising out of his pal Gerry being snubbed.
Honestly dragging up an event from 30 years ago-silly idea, it only makes the writer look stupid, he should know better than that.

what like the murder of jean mcconville do the people who keep dragging that up look stupid to you

cdebru

Sponge Bob wrote:

Here is the sit-YEE-ayshun so !

1. Morrisson (twas he) stood up over 20 years ago and made That Armalite and the Balllot Box speech.

2. Morrisson (twas he) thereby inserted the shinners into Politics, initially as abstentionists but later on the Shiiners took their seats (in some cases) and the money and funding that goes to elected representatives (in all cases)

I find it astonishing that the man who led the Shinners into politics , and who has never disavowed the political end of the dual strategy, would suddenly not be a member of that party whose rationale for existing was spelt out by Morrisson all those years ago.

In fact , in the public eye, Morrisson was identified with the ballot box more than with the armalite , unlike Adams and that sit-YEE-ayshun muppet . This was the case for much of the 1980s until he was arrested at a West Belfast House Party and locked up for a few years .

He rose rapidly thru the ranks of the IRA to become OC in Long Kesh for a while .

i have decided not to reply from now on to any post that you put the sit-YEE-ayshun attempt at humour in

cdebru

mycroft wrote:

Fact? link? proof? Kennedy got Adams in, there may be no love lost between him and this administration, but SF aren't party of the month in washington, and all it will take is a phonecall.

.

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afaik
kennedy got adams in during a democratic presidency ie clinton

pissing off a kennedy under a bush presidency might gaurantee him a visa for at least another 4 years

mycroft

cdebru wrote:

what like the murder of jean mcconville do the people who keep dragging that up look stupid to you

How about dragging up a 35yo incident to get the boot in?

pissing off a kennedy under a bush presidency might gaurantee him a visa for at least another 4 years

Have you turned on a tv in the past few years? I'm floored by the Pro SF lobby ignorance on this one. Kennedy has been a sitting senator for decades he can take the hit from Irish American lobby.

Do you think Bush will take a chance on a "looking soft on terrorism" for some cheap show boating. He loses nothing in banning SF, and gains bi partisan support for standing up on a scurilous attack on a noted liberal.

naive or what?

i have decided not to reply from now on to any post that you put the sit-YEE-ayshun attempt at humour in

Convient like, cause it does rip your whole argument to, y'know, shreds.