BESS students

Andrew 83

Just on the whether you should be discouraged from doing BESS because of D4 thing....

I'm a final year BESS student and I do Sociology and Politics. I haven't found the stereotypical BESS students to be too prevalent. Though there are a good few about, the vast majority of BESS students don't fit the stereotype.

I don't think you'll have too many problem with being called a 'bogger' or anything. There does tend to be friendly banter among people (Northside Dublin, southside Dublin, west Dublin, the North, certain counties, outside Dublin generally) but I haven't encountered anything malicious. There's lots of people from outside Dublin in BESS anywya so you won't be all alone in your non-Dublin-ness.

I'd say not to worry about it and just get here and enjoy your four years and find the subjects you like out of those in BESS!

randomfella

ApeXaviour wrote:

They've become deeply shallow, vacant, childish, graceless, snobbish and naive of the common man.
The friends they've made I have no time for, as they were inherently as the above. They look at you, see what you wear, hear how talk and immediately think themselves better than you.

Exactly what i'm trying to avoid with students there. I can't stand that attitude that some have of thinking their better than you. As gom split the BESS students into two categories, I fall into category 1 but i couldnt be arsed travelling as far as UCD for commerce, its an extra bus im not willing to take. I'm going to do BESS for the course and not for who'll be in it and i guess thats the main thing.

Pet

whatever kev said about being greedy

Firstly they were male, Paddy Cosgrave-type twins. And secondly, no, I just wanted the chemical term for chloroform. Not the actual substance. Although it WOULD have been amusing to knock them out and cling film them naked to lampposts..stupid male BOPS, rah..

Agent Smith

Pet wrote:

Firstly they were male, Paddy Cosgrave-type twins.

now thats a scary thought

New-to-this

DrIndy wrote: »

Maybe was Blackrock - it was a mostly black uniform.....

Naaa I think there's is grey, Cudda bin Nure, they wear all black in 5th and 6th year....Hah still can't believe they wore there uniform out

New-to-this

Hey, em, Don't want to annoy anyone on here, but I was jsut wondering, I cant really decide between Commerce and Bess, Bess just seemed more appealing because of the conomics part to it, the prospectus' haven't really explained much to me, well the UCD one hasn't anyway, Could anyone cite the differnces between Commerce and a more business orientated bess course? Cheers

themetallifan

No, it's just a stereotype.....although the thing is, that the small number of arrogant "D4-heads" that are in the faculty, are the ones who decide to be class rep, run for SU positions etc make this stereotype persist, as that's the only side that the rest of us see.

But, anyone I know in BESS, couldn't fall further from that stereotype.

New-to-this

Ah right, sound for clearing things up for me:)

Jegger

gom wrote: »

There are two fundementally different types of BESS students.

Type 1. Those that aim to take BUSINESS as their main subject after 1st year.
Type 2. Those that arim to take other subjects and aren't too worried about Business as a subject.

Type 1 is the sterotype BESS student we all hate. These people should have gone to UCD and studied Commerce. Maybe gone to Smurfit BUsiness college afterward and get a spoonfed masters. Type 1 are in college to get out of there and get a job as a stock-broker/PR guru/house-wife.

Type 2 are there to study Economics, politics or sociology. They may take Business also but their main area of interest are one of Economics, Politics or Sociology. They are in college to be educated and if you choose any of the non-business subjects and no business subject you will be liberated from teh idiots that you associate with BESS.

Personally I think Business should be seperated from BESS and that there should be an Independent Business school. After being at teh BESS Faculty mayhem at the start of the year with lecturers threatening to kill each other and seeing the attitudes of Business lecturers to the rest of the course I feel Economics, Sociology and Politics would be best suited in an independent school and not part of any faculty at all. THe BESS degree will still exist so don't go crying to daddy just yet about why he is voting PD.

The got the restructuring all wrong. Faculties are a waste of space and should be gotten rid of. The only place Faculties have any place is when there is a pool of many small, different courses that can't form a school.
My ideal make up for BESS faculty restructuring is much like this:
a) An Independent Business School
b) An Independent Social Science School(Economics, Sociology and Politics... possibily philosophy also)
c) A School of Psychology and Social Work (Social studies based in this school with links to the social science school)

No BESS faculty but a BESS course

I think your pretty much wrong in almost all of what you said. People who are interested in subjects like sociology and politics should probably have taken these as part of a TSM. While the students who like business take BESS. I also agree with what people have already said, that taking business to 4th year possibly combined with economics or politics makes you mush more employable than do a single degree in a subject like sociology. I'm currently doing BESS and the general feeling towards sociology is negative and so while valuable for 1st year students in understanding society it really is the least useful subject in the BESS program. That said i don't your idea of disbanding BESS and creating 2+ different courses out of it is very good. BESS offers the unique combination of Business and Humanities and the option to take a language that other courses eg. Commerce, just doesn't offer (i know commerce can be taken with a language but each one is a different course with different points).

Now back to the topic of BESS students. Yes, there are many south Dublin girls and some guys and yes they do give BESS and the arts block and the Ed Burke a bad name. I once heard someone commenting on the orange glow coming from the Ed Burke! but don't worry about them they aren't the brightest of people and there are loads of really nice people in BESS (some are even from south Dublin!).
Peace!

Awayindahils

New-to-this wrote: »

Hey, em, Don't want to annoy anyone on here, but I was jsut wondering, I cant really decide between Commerce and Bess, Bess just seemed more appealing because of the conomics part to it, the prospectus' haven't really explained much to me, well the UCD one hasn't anyway, Could anyone cite the differnces between Commerce and a more business orientated bess course? Cheers

New - to - this:

There is a thread, probably on the first page of the forum, entitled the BESS thread. All the info you need about BESS is in that thread. There was no need to drag up not one, but two ancient threads. I started this thread before I started college. I'm now in 4th year.

-hils

New-to-this

sorry....didnt know.....