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ISOC Survey, Please Complete

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  • 31-03-2005 4:14pm
    #1
    dahamsta
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,659 ✭✭✭✭


    This was announced on the Internet Society mailing list, and it doesn't make clear whether the survey is open to just ISOC members or the general public. I'm an ISOC member and I say "general public". :)
    Cyber-Survey #17 - Internet Connectivity
    By Peter Godwin, ISOC Communications Manager

    This survey is designed to get an understanding of how you connect to
    the Internet, how much you pay for your connectivity and how you rate
    the reliability, performance and value for money of your connection. It
    also looks at factors that you consider important when selecting your
    connectivity provider.

    In many countries, deregulation has led to increased competition in the
    ISP area. Elsewhere, a limited choice of connectivity options is keeping
    prices high and holding back wider use of the Internet. Your
    participation in this Cyber-Survey will help provide an overview of the
    current situation and trends around the world.

    Click here to take the survey:
    <http://geneva.isoc.org/surveys/index.php?sid=1>
    Please take the time to add a comment at the end of the survey, because in truth it's a pretty naive survey that doesn't take many factors into account. Here are my comments:
    Ireland APPEARS competitive but in reality isn't, because the incumbent is strangling competition with high wholesale prices and litigation. Line rental needs to be factored in too, Ireland being the highest in Europe at €8 above the European average. Product choice is terrible, with most operators choosing to resell a very poor (128k upstream) bitstream product from the incumbent, primarily because of issues with the Local Loop Unbundling process caused by ineffective regulation of the incumbent.
    adam


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    damien
    Registered Users Posts: 4,290 ✭✭✭damien


    I'll send that out to the announce list.


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    #3
    WizZard
    Registered Users Posts: 6,762 ✭✭✭WizZard


    Filled it out.


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    #4
    kasintahan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭kasintahan


    ditto


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    #5
    Ruu_Old
    Closed Accounts Posts: 36,634 ✭✭✭✭Ruu_Old


    done :)


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    #6
    Tom Dunne
    Registered Users Posts: 23,212 ✭✭✭✭Tom Dunne


    Same here.


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    #7
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,978 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Completed, I avoided filling out he comments page just in case I went off on one...!

    Mike.


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    cgarvey
    Registered Users Posts: 3,886 ✭✭✭cgarvey


    mike65 wrote:
    Completed, I avoided filling out he comments page just in case I went off on one...!

    Mike.
    good advice, because i think i did go off on one !!


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    #9
    byte
    Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 19,122 Mod ✭✭✭✭byte
    byte


    Survey completed :)


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    dahamsta
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,659 ✭✭✭✭dahamsta


    Some Boards user is running a survey on Internet use for a college report (I think), for more see here.

    adam


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    #11
    Dero
    Registered Users Posts: 730 ✭✭✭Dero


    Done & done. :)


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    #12
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,894 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    done


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    jwt
    Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭jwt


    Done


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    #14
    govinda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 213 ✭✭govinda


    Done, thanks for the announce mail!


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    #15
    snappieT
    Registered Users Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭snappieT


    All done, with a short comment on how the bitstream idea is tosh.


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    #16
    De Rebel
    Registered Users Posts: 1,109 ✭✭✭De Rebel


    Done

    The most revealing question is the one which asks you to select from the following price bands........ we go straight in at number 1 for the most basic service........
    < USD 10
    < USD 30
    < USD 50
    < USD 70
    < USD 90
    < USD 110
    > USD 110

    My most recent phone bill looks like this..........
    Line Rental.................. &#8364;40
Broadband home starter....... &#8364;66
Calls......................... &#8364;4
VAT.......................... &#8364;23
Total....................... &#8364;133

    Taking out the €4 worth of calls (which I would hapily make using my mobile) and the associated VAT of €1, I am paying €128 per month to have DSL based broadband.

    We have the pleasure of being off the scale for eircom's most basic service. I don't want a landline. I don't need a landline. The only reason I have a landline is so that I can get ADSL. I want raw DSL. Yet I am forced to pay well over USD110 per month, puttng me into the highest band in ISOC's table for an entry level service.


    Rip Off Ireland or what.


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    Cryos
    Registered Users Posts: 816 ✭✭✭Cryos


    de_rebel

    Surprisingly enough my works out exactly the same as you, and im on isdn :(

    just from my perspective of answering, irelands not going to be doing very well!


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    LFCFan
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 3,816 Mod ✭✭✭✭LFCFan


    De Rebel wrote:
    My most recent phone bill looks like this..........
    Line Rental.................. &#8364;40
Broadband home starter....... &#8364;66
Calls......................... &#8364;4
VAT.......................... &#8364;23
Total....................... &#8364;133

    Taking out the €4 worth of calls (which I would hapily make using my mobile) and the associated VAT of €1, I am paying €128 per month to have DSL based broadband.

    is this not a bi-monthly bill?


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    #19
    De Rebel
    Registered Users Posts: 1,109 ✭✭✭De Rebel


    LFCFan wrote:
    is this not a bi-monthly bill?

    Yup

    I should get myself a gadget to prevent posting to boards after midnight.......


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    LFCFan
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 3,816 Mod ✭✭✭✭LFCFan


    De Rebel wrote:
    Yup

    I should get myself a gadget to prevent posting to boards after midnight.......

    Look on the brightside....you've instantly cut your monthly bill in half :)


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    #21
    SkepticOne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,718 ✭✭✭SkepticOne


    Done!

    Here are my comments:

    Problems in Ireland are:

    1) Monopoly of access infrastructure in most areas.

    2) Lack of regulation ensuring basic internet access for everyone in the absence of competition leading to under investment in legacy infrastructure.

    3) Over-reliance on the reselling of services from one company in the absence of competition leading to high prices and late devevelopment of good services.


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    #22
    Cryos
    Registered Users Posts: 816 ✭✭✭Cryos


    lol ok so i think im holding the most expensive bill here atm :P

    256 ex calls for 2 months :P


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    #23
    scojones
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,230 ✭✭✭scojones


    Done and done. Added a similar comment to Adams.


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    #24
    dahamsta
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,659 ✭✭✭✭dahamsta


    The results of this survey were published today; loads of responses from Ireland, in fact second-most only just behind the US. Two specific mentions of Ireland and a "local consumer group" - I wonder who that could be - including a single sentence that sums up the recent OECD report in a simply wonderful way. The second mention seems to be confusing bitstream and line rental pricing, but a point is still made anyway.

    Presumably ComReg will be publishing the results of this survey and the OECD report in their next Quarterly, because they're a truthful organisation that wouldn't try to pull the wool over the eyes of consumers or politicians in any way, shape or form.

    Anyway, well done IrelandOffliners; things like this sometimes don't seem that important, but every time you set aside that few minutes you put another bullet in IrelandOffline's clip!

    adam


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    #25
    cgarvey
    Registered Users Posts: 3,886 ✭✭✭cgarvey


    dahamsta wrote:
    Anyway, well done IrelandOffliners; things like this sometimes don't seem that important, but every time you set aside that few minutes you put another bullet in IrelandOffline's clip!

    Here here.. well said.

    .cg


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    #26
    jwt
    Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭jwt


    Nicely put Adam

    John


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    #27
    SkepticOne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,718 ✭✭✭SkepticOne


    Glad to have contributed. Well done for organising it.


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    #28
    lucernarian
    Registered Users Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    I filled out the survey before I read the second page of the thread... Is it too late for my entry to be counted in results?


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