Gamesplayers : Did you notice any ping diff with upgrade? :

Tazzle · 04-04-2005 12:28am

Baldy wrote:

Ring Eircom tomorrow and Tell them that they support PPPoA, See what they say.

You'd try and argue black is white. PPPoA is now active, whether eircom support it or not. Stop being so ignorant in your own arrogance.

Anarchist · 04-04-2005 12:32am

tuxy wrote:

i know a net cafe that rang them about that and no dice

When I was with Esat Business 512/256 I got 64kb/s dl and with Eircoms plus I only got 53.5kb/s and my gaming ping was 20 lower with Esat so was that to do with diff interleaving settings or the better upload or a bit of both?

OfflerCrocGod · 04-04-2005 12:38am

tuxy wrote:

eircom as stated in my previous posts
that does not explain the drop in ping for everyone who has tried it so far

Nope it got worst for me, my download speeds also went down.

Baldy · 04-04-2005 12:48am

Tazzle wrote:

You'd try and argue black is white. PPPoA is now active, whether eircom support it or not. Stop being so ignorant in your own arrogance.

I think the Engineers in Eircom would know what they support.

JNive · 04-04-2005 12:52am

does it really matter lol, bottom line, is it works, and seems more effective for some people lol.

tuxy · 04-04-2005 12:54am

OfflerCrocGod wrote:

Nope it got worst for me, my download speeds also went down.

perhaps it only works for people on eircom

for anyone who wants to try it using the routher that comes with eircom dsl

go to http://192.168.1.254/

got to expert mode
then Home > Configure > WAN > ATM
change from ppp iver ethernet to ppp over atm
clock submit and restart the routher

Baldy if you are with eircom try pining boards.ie and see what you get
change to PPPoA and try again and let us know how you get on

OfflerCrocGod · 04-04-2005 1:10am

tuxy wrote:

perhaps it only works for people on eircom

Nope not anymore I'm getting the same pings on both now (my pings are now back to normal). Hopefully tommorow I'll be getting my full 2Mb, it does seem as if the problems are clearing up now.

Baldy · 04-04-2005 1:29am

tuxy wrote:

perhaps it only works for people on eircom

for anyone who wants to try it using the routher that comes with eircom dsl

go to http://192.168.1.254/

got to expert mode
then Home > Configure > WAN > ATM
change from ppp iver ethernet to ppp over atm
clock submit and restart the routher

Baldy if you are with eircom try pining boards.ie and see what you get
change to PPPoA and try again and let us know how you get on

Step by step setup of PPPoA with VC Mux and now I'm online with PPPoE and LLC encapsulation, receiving DNS etc. Ping I could not even connect with PPPoA and VC Mux. While I am on IOL PLUS it is still an eircom network therefore it will have the same settings. IE VPI = 8, VCI = 35, PPPoE and LLC. There is no point in implementing two version of ADSL on one network. It would be cost prohibitive.

the_syco · 04-04-2005 1:47am

As long as my ping stays at 10 on the Irish BFV servers, I'll be happy.

JNive · 04-04-2005 1:59am

But what you are suggesting is that some modems attempt PPPoA and fallback to PPPoE cause PPPoA isnt implemented. Yet if thats the case, why the difference in performance, it is quite obviously dependent on either modems, lines or even exchanges.

And frankly i dont care, PPPoA setting gives me better ping and bandwidth and slightly less overhead.

kjt · 04-04-2005 2:17am

I've just tried changing over to ppoa and it doesnt work. So either its just me or Iol dont support it :S... back to ppoe and steady 30ping to jolts

Fenster · 04-04-2005 2:33am

[mark@fenster ~]$ ping -c 10 clarity.jolt.co.uk
PING clarity.jolt.co.uk (195.149.21.11) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from clarity.jolt.co.uk (195.149.21.11): icmp_seq=0 ttl=59 time=34.5 ms
64 bytes from clarity.jolt.co.uk (195.149.21.11): icmp_seq=1 ttl=59 time=34.6 ms
64 bytes from clarity.jolt.co.uk (195.149.21.11): icmp_seq=2 ttl=59 time=34.3 ms
64 bytes from clarity.jolt.co.uk (195.149.21.11): icmp_seq=3 ttl=59 time=34.8 ms
64 bytes from clarity.jolt.co.uk (195.149.21.11): icmp_seq=4 ttl=59 time=35.5 ms
64 bytes from clarity.jolt.co.uk (195.149.21.11): icmp_seq=5 ttl=59 time=35.1 ms
64 bytes from clarity.jolt.co.uk (195.149.21.11): icmp_seq=6 ttl=59 time=35.7 ms
64 bytes from clarity.jolt.co.uk (195.149.21.11): icmp_seq=7 ttl=59 time=35.3 ms
64 bytes from clarity.jolt.co.uk (195.149.21.11): icmp_seq=8 ttl=59 time=34.9 ms
64 bytes from clarity.jolt.co.uk (195.149.21.11): icmp_seq=9 ttl=59 time=34.4 ms

--- clarity.jolt.co.uk ping statistics ---
10 packets transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 9003ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 34.306/34.969/35.741/0.445 ms, pipe 2

Seems okay from here also.

Tazzle · 04-04-2005 2:26pm

Here's some indisputable PPPoA stuff.

PPPoA pings

Pinging clarity.jolt.co.uk [195.149.21.11] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=59
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=29ms TTL=59
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=29ms TTL=59
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=59

Ping statistics for 195.149.21.11:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 29ms, Maximum = 30ms, Average = 30ms

PPPoE pings

Pinging clarity.jolt.co.uk [195.149.21.11] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=38ms TTL=59
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=41ms TTL=59
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=40ms TTL=59
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=38ms TTL=59

Ping statistics for 195.149.21.11:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 38ms, Maximum = 41ms, Average = 39ms

Attached are my DSL modem settings and login.

Download speeds seem higher with lower overhead on the upload. Though that's just opinion.

Gonzo · 04-04-2005 2:30pm

I changed to PPPoA settings and found that altho my pings went lower for dos pings, my actual ingame ping was generally higher and went quite unstable from time to time and also my internet would lag out for maybe 15 seconds here and there. so ive changed them back to the original settings PPPoE

04-04-2005 2:31pm

Tazzle wrote:

Here's some indisputable PPPoA stuff.

Download speeds seem higher with lower overhead on the upload. Though that's just opinion.

When you use JPEG for screen captures you make baby jesus cry.

Cheers for the info thou.

EDIT: How does a measley 10ms make a difference anyhows?

Tazzle · 04-04-2005 2:37pm

In gaming it really does :P Oh and yeh, it looks bleurgh, but i had to use like a compression ratio of 50% so it'd be under the 100K attachment limit.

Giblet · 04-04-2005 3:56pm

PNG is your friend for normal windows screencaps (if you can save as that)

I'm gonna try it later, but just to note, my pings which were nearly 40 in game to games5.iol.ie have dropped to below 30, just by resetting the router. Hopefully PPPOA does some crazy crap

Vikings · 04-04-2005 3:56pm

Ping to jolt.co.uk down to ~30ms, ping to games5.iol.ie down to ~20ms. Great improvement since last night. Downloads are still a bit off. Was getting ~210 from heanet earlier yet only getting ~13.5 (yes 13.5!) from micro$oft.

Gonzo · 04-04-2005 4:21pm

the upgrade went extremely well for me up untill this afternoon, now boards takes forever to load/change pages and pings are gone mental...when i do a speed test i still get about 215k/sec which is great but my pings are now slightly higher than before and spiking at times which aint good.

Pinging www.boards.ie [82.195.144.58] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 82.195.144.58: bytes=32 time=40ms TTL=59
Reply from 82.195.144.58: bytes=32 time=55ms TTL=59
Reply from 82.195.144.58: bytes=32 time=92ms TTL=59
Reply from 82.195.144.58: bytes=32 time=80ms TTL=59

Ping statistics for 82.195.144.58:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 40ms, Maximum = 92ms, Average = 66ms

C:\Documents and Settings\Barry>ping www.jolt.co.uk

Pinging www.jolt.co.uk [82.133.85.65] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 82.133.85.65: bytes=32 time=38ms TTL=59
Reply from 82.133.85.65: bytes=32 time=39ms TTL=59
Reply from 82.133.85.65: bytes=32 time=44ms TTL=59
Reply from 82.133.85.65: bytes=32 time=52ms TTL=59

Ping statistics for 82.133.85.65:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 38ms, Maximum = 52ms, Average = 43ms

C:\Documents and Settings\Barry>ping www.uk2.net

Pinging uk2.net [213.239.57.2] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 213.239.57.2: bytes=32 time=40ms TTL=59
Reply from 213.239.57.2: bytes=32 time=36ms TTL=59
Reply from 213.239.57.2: bytes=32 time=38ms TTL=59
Reply from 213.239.57.2: bytes=32 time=37ms TTL=59

Ping statistics for 213.239.57.2:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 36ms, Maximum = 40ms, Average = 37ms

C:\Documents and Settings\Barry>

Baldy · 04-04-2005 5:51pm

I just confirm what I was saying with an Eircom representative! They say it's impossible. They do use PPPoA but not for consumer applications I've been told by 3 different representatives what I have stated above

Gonzo · 04-04-2005 6:07pm

i tried PPPoA a few times on eircom broadband using the netopia 4 port modem and the performance wasnt stable at all, often my connection just went dead while on PPPoA and another time it wouldnt connect at all so Ive gone back to PPPoE for good and things are alot more stable but my pings are still a bit spikey from time to time, a problem that never happened before the upgrade.

Dinner · 04-04-2005 7:07pm

I'm still on PPOA with UTV and its a hell of a lot better than PPOE, pings are in double figures as opposed to triple.

Xcellor · 04-04-2005 7:30pm

My connection is weird.

Minimum = 24ms, Maximum = 73ms, Average = 37ms

Then five minutes later.

Minimum = 173ms, Maximum = 254ms, Average = 214ms

Pinging boards.ie

On IOL BB+

X

Gonzo · 04-04-2005 7:34pm

my pings are spiking all day too and in the 14 months ive had eircom broadband this is the first time ever so i hope this isnt a sign of things to come...

Tazzle · 04-04-2005 8:03pm

Baldy wrote:

I just confirm what I was saying with an Eircom representative! They say it's impossible. They do use PPPoA but not for consumer applications I've been told by 3 different representatives what I have stated above

Haha, Eircom representatives. Did they ask you if you wanted ISDN when you were finished?

PcP · 04-04-2005 8:25pm

kjt wrote:

Who you with PcP?

Mine are fine

I'm on UTV but no idea if the problem is with them or Eircom. Pings settled about midnight last night but are back ~150 this evening. Just have to wait and see if it improves I guess.

Just to add, I changed to PPPoA after pings had settled last night and got about a 5-6 ms decrease in pings. I didn't get a chance to try it out in a game yet though so dunno about stability.

Baldy · 04-04-2005 8:46pm

Tazzle wrote:

Haha, Eircom representatives. Did they ask you if you wanted ISDN when you were finished?

No My call was in relation to DSL not ISDN

Nichololas · 04-04-2005 9:04pm

On 512/128k got 45 ping to UK servers at best times, now on 2mb i'm getting mid 30's.

wideangle · 04-04-2005 9:19pm

I was looking forward to a few online games of o.p.k. lastnight but me ping was at 250 so every server I joined I got kicked!!!The regular server I join my ping is usually between 50 and 60 its to germany..by the way but that was over 200 ping lastnight too.When I reset my modem the download speed actually slowed down.
Whats the point being able to download mods and patches for online games at superfast speed when your ping is so high no server will let you join?

cerbeus · 04-04-2005 10:41pm

Before the upgrade my ping to boards was between 25-40ms
Now

C:\winnt\system32>ping -n 10 www.boards.ie

Pinging www.boards.ie [82.195.144.58] with 32 bytes of da

Reply from 82.195.144.58: bytes=32 time=141ms TTL=54
Reply from 82.195.144.58: bytes=32 time=120ms TTL=54
Reply from 82.195.144.58: bytes=32 time=150ms TTL=54
Reply from 82.195.144.58: bytes=32 time=150ms TTL=54
Reply from 82.195.144.58: bytes=32 time=321ms TTL=54
Reply from 82.195.144.58: bytes=32 time=140ms TTL=54
Reply from 82.195.144.58: bytes=32 time=150ms TTL=54
Reply from 82.195.144.58: bytes=32 time=151ms TTL=54
Reply from 82.195.144.58: bytes=32 time=150ms TTL=54
Reply from 82.195.144.58: bytes=32 time=131ms TTL=54

Ping statistics for 82.195.144.58:
Packets: Sent = 10, Received = 10, Lost = 0 (0% loss)
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 120ms, Maximum = 321ms, Average = 160ms

Hope this gets resolved real soon!

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