Paul Sheerin Construction

dconwho

Has anyone ever dealt with Paul Sheerin Construction. Looking to get an extension and I think he would do a good job, very responsive at quote stage. Have references from him but would like independent references.

jack24

Hi,

Cant help you with this, but would be interested to know the scope of the extension (type of construction/any supporting walls knocked out etc)/measurements and also the level of quotes youre getting. If youre using an architect he/she should have a number if builders they use regularly,

Jack

dconwho

Looking at a single story to the side. Building playroom, extending kitchen (supporting wall knocked down and steel beams installed) and extending dining room lengthways and to include french door from kitch and dining room to garden and 3 x velux windows. Total construction approx 400 sq ft. I have been quoted for a turnkey solution whereby they install flooring, kitchen, tiling etc etc

jack24

Sounds like a grand job, if you dont mind me asking, how much were you quoted? Did you have the plans drawn up by someone, or was he quoting on the basis of your own design?

Jack

dconwho

plans drawn up by architect and prices from €85K to €94K excluding kitchen. Kitchen approx €9 with Granite worktops

rooferPete

At €200.00 + per sq foot I may reconsider and open up the general contracting again, that said home extensions have a lot of variables to take into consideration.

Access to the work area was always a challenge.

dconwho

Thanks Peter
For this price I'm getting a full finish including all new flooring supplied and fitted, painting etc.

I'm also getting some additional work as follows

Excavating portion of front garden to make into driveway
Enclose and secure side passageway
Replacing existing front window
Replacing existing facia, soffets and guttering
Replacing all downstairs doors and architraves with pine or similar
Fitted units to new utility room
Security light front and rear
Meter boxes will have to be moved
Bolier will have to be moved

With all these additions, how do the cost stack up.
Thanks

Enii

How did quotes from other builders compare?

dconwho

Quotes varied only a little 2 - 3K. Other builders were very slow responding and some didn't even get back to me. Responsiveness from Paul to date has been very good

lomb

still sounds a bit pricy tbh, by about 10 -15 grand

rooferPete

Hi,

The total package looks good a total revamp with very little if any room for unexpected extra costs.

I presume your Architect will be issuing payment certs etc, all things considered without looking at it the numbers appear fair enough.

Of course your Architect should be advising you regarding the budget and the contractor, you might consider using a quantity surveyor to compile a bill of quantities and each contractor prices each item.

Victor

rooferPete wrote:

At €200.00 + per sq foot I may reconsider and open up the general contracting again, that said home extensions have a lot of variables to take into consideration.

The problem with a lot of extensions is they are small, awkward and have a much higher wall/floor ratio than a new build house.

lomb

Victor wrote:

The problem with a lot of extensions is they are small, awkward and have a much higher wall/floor ratio than a new build house.

yes but they have the advantage of having one wall at least in place, a cheap butt type roof, and most plumbing in place, sounds alot for a few bricks when u think about it.

rooferPete

Hi Lomb,

I can have an order full for the next year for home extensions within about sixty days if I wanted them.

I can assure you they are not as easy as first appear, the contractor manages a lot of money and takes a lot of grief the customers never see from specialist sub contractors.

I used to have a system where we in and finished the average kitchen / bathroom in three weeks, for kitchen or bathroom on there own ten to fourteen days.

I was handling a lot of money with very little real profit, it would take a very special project to get me back into that very labour intensive business again.

lomb

dont deny all that rooferpete, but even u have to admit that for a small few square foot extension that that sort of money is alot. i have no real objection to paying 150 a sq foot in dublin for a new build but edging on 200 is really bananas. even 150 isnt cheap by any means.

rooferPete

Hi lomb,

I understand what you are saying, the whole country seems to be in a destruct mode the way all prices are out of control.

Contract pricing has gone out of control fueled on by the almost daily increase in labour costs.

I honestly believe Ireland is a bankers dream come true, the low euro interest rate has everyone spoiled, "keep borrowing more" seems to be the battle cry.

A lot of people are going to be in for a nasty shock when the interest rates start to rise again, I'm not that old and the days of 22% on my overdraft were not that long ago.

Reyman

€200 a square foot is madness! Can't justify those kind of prices - except in a crazy market
Delay the extension till the housing panic eases off and get a better deal in harder times.

lomb

Reyman wrote:

€200 a square foot is madness! Can't justify those kind of prices - except in a crazy market
Delay the extension till the housing panic eases off and get a better deal in harder times.

it sure is crazy money. and funny thing is people think thats good value lol, i wonder whether building costs will fall, i doubt it personally. reason is for every building/road in service today it all needs to be maintained in the future. also the state of the roads/public building/ infrastructure is pretty dire and i can see alot of work for at least the next 10 years. the only thing that can damp down the costs are interest rate rises.

lomb

rooferPete wrote:

Hi lomb,

I understand what you are saying, the whole country seems to be in a destruct mode the way all prices are out of control.

Contract pricing has gone out of control fueled on by the almost daily increase in labour costs.

I honestly believe Ireland is a bankers dream come true, the low euro interest rate has everyone spoiled, "keep borrowing more" seems to be the battle cry.

A lot of people are going to be in for a nasty shock when the interest rates start to rise again, I'm not that old and the days of 22% on my overdraft were not that long ago.

true, roll on the rate rises.....and we will see

OhPinchy

Sheerin Construction just finished a single storey extension to the rear of my sister's home - not sure of the exact details but prices sounded similar to yours and it was a turnkey solution and they used quality fittings instead of choosing the cheap option (e.g. nice chrome sockets and switches throughout) which for me is a big plus.

Sister is raving about them and based on her recommendation I am about to talk to them about getting them in to handle all the bits of the extensive renovations and extension on my own house that are too much for me. She also said that if there was anything the sub contractors didnt do up to scratch Paul would get them to do it properly before she even got the chance to say it. That attention to detail and the responsiveness is something I'm happy to pay for, but that said, the prices quoted above are slightly cheaper than the other quotes my sister got and are not a million miles off the prices listed here: http://www.scs.ie/publication/HomeownersGuide04.pdf - in fairness, the entire construction industry is overpriced...can't help thinking I'm in the wrong business.

lomb

rooferpete can i ask your opinion on the price per square foot property sells for in dublin. a shop in clondalkin (in aldi scheme) of 1200 sq ft was 330000+ say 80000 fitting costs (bare brick, no roof inside) so 300ish a square foot, today in the aldi scheme in palmerstown the cost for the same size is 700000, or 600ish per square foot. isnt it any wonder with inflation running at 100% per annum in commercial property that builders are asking for and getting 200 per sq foot.

also residential property is going for 500 ish a sq foot, for flats, and 400 ish for houses even in 'bad' areas. no wonder there is a construction boom in full swing. i wonder will it keep rising to say 1000 a square foot for smallish properties or is this the beginning of a bubble?it sees no sign of letting up with my recent brief research of it.

Victor

Cost per square foot for buying property is largely down to what someone is willing to pay.

Constructions costs are largely down to input costs (which are indirectly down to what someone is willing to pay).

It's all down to loaction, location, location.

lomb

Victor wrote:

It's all down to loaction, location, location.

but i was in ashbourne today not a fabulous location and construction is in FULL boom, everywhere in dublin there are hundreds of cranes up. and they are getting 400-500 a square foot.
input costs will rise if everyone wants it built NOW, which they do because of the high realizations they are getting. i cant believe in a stable economy prices can double in 365 days.

rooferPete

Hi lomb,

The market decides the selling price, that market today is fuelled by low interest rates and investors.

That said I can't see it falling apart because the demand is still there and every family who returns from abroad or every EU immigrant is going to sustain that demand.

I recently tried to buy a site in a not very popular industrial estate for my own use, the vendor said we start at a million, that is for a piece of ground zoned commercial, on top there would be planning fees and contributions.

The site costs have gone out of control largely due to restrictive planning and poor infrastructure, the same is happening in the private house market, any builder paying big money for a site has to get big money for the finished product.

Ashbourne is like a gold rush town, try and buy anything in the area especially commercial and you pay big money because the population is there and the traffic is a nighgmare so the residents will buy locally to avoid travelling.

We have had three Bacon reports with recommendations to slow the market down, each time the "Free Market" was interfered with it reacted by slowing down the new builds and creating further shortages.

I think the lesson is if we want to try and control the market everyone loses, the worker needs more money to pay for a lifestyle that appears good from the outside but the actual cash spending power has almost gone, they have no money in the bank.

The credit card is king with people struggling to make the minimum payment, and yet we are two foreign holiday a year economy.

I don't take two holidays a year, I am not worried what my reg number starts at and I am lucky to have a pre tiger mortgage, if I was the opposite I certainly would not have the time to log in to boards.ie .

lomb

rooferPete wrote:

I recently tried to buy a site in a not very popular industrial estate for my own use, the vendor said we start at a million, that is for a piece of ground zoned commercial, on top there would be planning fees and contributions.

it seems to me prices have doubled in the last year for properties like that.i dont think joe public realizes that certain inflation is running at 100%isnt it no wonder investors are active if those kinds of returns are being achieved?that return is astronomical when u think that money on deposit yields 1-2%.

it does have to be said rentals of the same commercial properties havent increased by anything like that rate and in some cases for residential flats has actually fallen, the yields have fallen to 1% in some cases.at the end of the day i suppose u cant get alot of blood out of a stone and of course there is a vast increase in the number of rental properties available.

i noted a 2 bed flat in ballsbridge sold for 1.5 million euros lol, the yield out of that if let would be no more than 1.5% if that even. with an interest rate of 3-3.5% the 'loss' would be 15 or 20 grand a year and of course the bank would insist on capital repayments of another 45 grand , so really one would need very deep pockets to sustain a cash drain of 65 thou a year after tax, and all for a piece of concrete in the sky.

merble

Hi there...I'm hoping you can help me...Im looking to use Paul Sheerin to build a house, and and wondering did you go ahead with him and if so how did you find his work etc ?..cheers...

merble

Hi there...I know its yeas later but did you get Paul Sheerin to do any work for you in the end, and if so how did you find him ? Im thinking of getting him to quote for a new house build and really welcome some feedback...cheers...