ARTS at DCU or Here??????

Jonny Arson · 03-05-2005 12:48am

upmeath wrote:

To quote Ross O'Carroll-Kelly:
"Orts in UCD: pure focking eye candy"

soooooooo not true!

padser · 03-05-2005 11:05am

upmeath wrote:

To quote Ross O'Carroll-Kelly:
"Orts in UCD: pure focking eye candy"

great quote......bottom line arts actaully does have an upside.....to all the ppl who never got to know pppl in their class. (admittadly im not doing arts bbut) I found that getting hammered wit ppl is a great way to get to know them. Downside is you make a fool of you make a fool of yourself

vector · 03-05-2005 11:14am

m1ke wrote:

...People regularly comment that it's a useless thing to have because many people get a degree at pass level - which really limits(for a couple of years anyway) the amount of postgraduate options you can avail of.

Yes and a pass degree doesn't just limit postgrad options, it also limits employment opportunities.

In these days of every joe soap having a degree a pass doesn't cut it, you need a 1H to get to the interviews (for high profile jobs anyhow)

How different things used to be

Years ago (think charles dickens) it was impressive if you could read and write, then it was impressive if you had a leaving cert, but the bar keeps being raised. Like EU harmonisation I fear it won't stop until you need a Masters to be a binman.

padser · 03-05-2005 3:48pm

brilliant...cos iv always been annoyed that my binmen are undereducated. it limited the conversations i can have with them regarding the meaning of life

Sangre · 03-05-2005 7:06pm

You read too much dilbert

pretty*monster · 04-05-2005 9:44am

the jew wrote:

isn't the whole point of going to college to make yourself more employable?

Nah, that's just what the government wants.

Some of us are still wedded to the idea of learning for the sake of learning.

arbeitsscheuer · 04-05-2005 10:47am

pretty*monster wrote:

Nah, that's just what the government wants.

Some of us are still wedded to the idea of learning for the sake of learning.

Cough *naive* Cough

pretty*monster · 04-05-2005 3:21pm

SebtheBum wrote:

Cough *naive* Cough

How so?

I'm doing an Arts degree. This will not lead to lucrative employment opportunities. If I do post-graduate work it won't add a whole lot to these opportunities. Work in academia is increasingly difficult to get.
If I'm lucky and I work hard I have a chance of getting a good job once I'm done being a filthy student if I'm unlucky otherwise I'll get some manner of **** job and never move out of my parents house. Realistically I'll find some manner of employment that enables me to pay the bills.

What part of that was naive?

arbeitsscheuer · 04-05-2005 9:23pm

It's naive in that it assumes that one needs to go to university to "learn for the sake of learning". IMO, this has become uneccessary. The subjects I'm truly knowledgeable on, and can honestly say I have learned purely for interest's sake and not for "educational" (i.e. career) purposes, are the ones I have studied or been active in outside of college. :cool:

I'm not gonna presume to know if anyone else feels the same way, but if I wanted to learn History purely for the sake of learning it, or indeed Politics, or indeed Philosophy, (to name all the course I suffered with last year), I would just go and f**king read up on them, and in particular from Historians/Political analysts/Philosophers who frankly know more about it than our poxy lecturers. :mad:

I'm here because I have to be. Because there's nowhere else. And because, in spite of it all, I like the people

(altho it took a while admittedly). No more, no less.

It's just my opinion, and I ain't gonna apologise for it. Altho I apologise for the "naive" thing, I blame exam stress for my irritability...

blondie83 · 05-05-2005 11:28am

SebtheBum wrote:

It's just my opinion, and I ain't gonna apologise for it. Altho I apologise for the "naive" thing, I blame exam stress for my irritability...

I somehow just can't imagine you getting stressed Seb!

m1ke · 05-05-2005 11:59am

Yes, learning for learnings sake means reading a book or something.... I chose arts to get a job out of it, and a good one at that. Look at the stats, you'll find more arts graduates employed than others. Yes most of them may be in tesco's but wtf

The moral of the pretentious rant: study hard and get a good honour - or learn how to make a good cappucino. Alternatively, why not be self-employed? instead of working to make money for some looser. Appoint yourself CEO or your own imaginary company. And let me know if you're hiring

pretty*monster · 05-05-2005 2:18pm

SebtheBum wrote:

It's naive in that it assumes that one needs to go to university to "learn for the sake of learning". IMO, this has become uneccessary. The subjects I'm truly knowledgeable on, and can honestly say I have learned purely for interest's sake and not for "educational" (i.e. career) purposes, are the ones I have studied or been active in outside of college. :cool:

Well obviously you can learn things in places other thet university :rolleyes:

Sorry.
I too am in a pissy mood due to exams.

Personally I learn better after a bit of nod in the direction. And I think university can be a good environment to learn in if you're interested in your subjects.