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American Woman seeks asylum in Ireland.

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  • 19-04-2005 9:25pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 168 ✭✭


    Did anyone else hear or read about this story? I heard it on Newstalk at about 3pm today and tried to follow it up but couldn't find anything.

    A woman from the US is seeking asylum in Ireland because she claims that George Bush is a tyranical dictator. I know, eejit. There was some lad on from the Catholic Workers' (or something like that, I can't remember the specific name). Just wondering if anyone can point me in the direction of anything written about this?

    Thanks.




    http://www.disillusionedlefty.blogspot.com


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭jank


    LOL that would be class :) funniest thing I heard all day.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,978 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Pfffffft! Dont want her sort here, has'nt she heard of Canada? Thats whats its for!

    Mike.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,815 ✭✭✭✭po0k


    Canada exists at the whim of the US.


  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 5,945 ✭✭✭BEAT


    well, it cant be done so I dont know how she plans on following through. It doesnt take a genious to read up on it, I wonder does she know what it even means? She cant be serious or she would have done her homework first.
    How do people like this make the news, or better even, how do they make it in life at all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 168 ✭✭RagShagBill


    How do people like this make the news

    That's the problem! She hasn't really. And yes, she was serious, she is presenting quite a large document to the people who deal with this. She arrived in Cork a few days ago and the Catholic Workers' (I know that's not right, I wonder what it was!) are treating her as if it were any other asylum case, only they used it to give out about Bush too. Lancet this and that, you know, the usual.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,978 ✭✭✭✭mike65



    There was some lad on from the Catholic Workers' (or something like that, I can't remember the specific name).

    Thanks.

    I think this lot must be who you are thinking of - http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:Ud3RI0GZRssJ:www.catholicworker.org/AllLinks.cfm+Catholic+Workers+iraq&hl=en&lr=lang_en


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 168 ✭✭RagShagBill


    Thank you very much, good sir. Maybe I'll find something on the story through here. These lads lookin megacool!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,035 ✭✭✭Bri


    BEAT wrote:
    It doesnt take a genious to read up on it

    Genious? lol. :D
    j/k

    On the politics side of things...I'm glad this kind of thing is struggling to make the news.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,557 ✭✭✭DublinWriter


    Freakin' hilarious. I'd say that her chances are slim to nil considering that we are the US' biggest static aircraft re-fuelling depot this side of the Atlantic.

    I mean, why should the Government take a moral stance when there's six jobs at steak in the Duty Free counter in Shannon Airport.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,264 ✭✭✭✭Hobbes


    Actually American does export Asylum seekers and in some cases they get it. For example I know there was a US reporter that got Asylum in the EU a few years back based fearing for his life from the US police.


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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,468 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Couple of army deserters were applying in Canada recently on the grounds they'd be executed for treason if they stayed. Anyone know what their story is currently?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 68 ✭✭Sarajka


    ^ We had two American soldiers try to seek asylum in Bosnia as well, to avoid troop rotations that could've seen them deployed to Iraq. One young man married a Bosnian woman and entered a religious school. Another young woman just dropped her work and made a run for it. She was arrested trying to cross the border between Croatia and Slovenia because she didn't have any identification at all - if Slovenia hadn't have entered the EU, and thus went MAD for a few weeks checking everything coming over the border, she might've made it. ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1 moniker


    according to apost on another forum this is why she might come here!!....................................................................."There is obvious disinformation being disseminated by both official and pressure groups in realion to the asylum issue.

    This has led to the general confusion on why ‘asylum seekers’ come here in the first place.

    If you want to know why they come here then don’t listen to the lies and propaganda of officialdom or of ‘anti-racists’.

    Instead look to the facts insofar as they can be gleaned from day-to-day living in ethnically flooded areas.

    Fact no 1 . They spend only a short time in Mosney which functions as a reception center -as opposed to a detention center. Here they are covered by ‘emergency provision’

    They have, amongst other things, freedom of movement, choice of menu (which they constantly complain about), free healthcare and free ‘childcare facilities’, i.e. buggy prams, supplies of nappies etc. a free regular bus service into Drogheda and 19 euro a wk allowance per adult,. Of course they also have free board.

    Fact no 2 they are not subjected to vetting for criminal records or screened for contagious disease.

    Fact no 3. After they are processed they are moved out of Mosney and out of ‘emergency provision’.

    It is now that they start to receive the real goodies.( they seem to be getting better benefits than the disabled or pensioners)

    Note that they have not been processed as ‘refugees’.

    They get housed normally in owner-occupier housing estates or apartment blocks and rarely if ever in sink council estates.


    Their local health board supplies –and this picture is far from complete-
    Furniture grants, electrical goods grants, and yes –used cars !!! complete with free driving tests and lessons (with interpreter if deemed necessary), and a whole array of grants for ‘special needs’ ,.
    This can include anything from actual building and supplies of their churches, free ‘ethnic’ braided hairdos (running into hundreds a go) or filling the tank of their health-board supplied car FOC.
    They also get something called ‘socialising money’.

    They get what is effectively a policy of positive discrimination in placement on FAS, VTOS and maturestudentship in third level institutions. ( with the inevitable displacing of native Irish in the process.)

    All this is covered by an official smokescreen of half-truths and deceptions and happens long before they get even close to having their asylum application heard.

    The immigration lawyers have a vested interest in keeping the cases, and then the appeals, stretched out for as long as possible.

    This list is not a total account of everything, no doubt there’s more, but it is a fair reflection of the reality and of the scale of the social engineering project and deceit being played on the people by the Government and the rest of the establishment on this issue.

    The real question it seems is not so much “what is happening?’ but 'Why is it happening?'

    Why when the government knows that they have something like a 90% failure rate in achieving refugee status are they so eager to integrate them into society?

    Why is a blind eye been turned to systematic asylum abuse, human trafficking, criminality, importation of contagious diseases and mass orchestrated fraud to enable this enormous policy of integration by stealth"

    :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭Meh


    If you really want to know what benefits asylum seekers are entitled to in Ireland, here are the facts direct from the government. I'll just go through the list and correct some of the more obvious inaccuracies
    moniker wrote:
    Fact no 2 they are not subjected to vetting for criminal records or screened for contagious disease.
    False. A medical screening service is available to all asylum-seekers.
    They get housed normally in owner-occupier housing estates or apartment blocks and rarely if ever in sink council estates.
    False. From the Oasis page linked above: "You will be expected to stay at the regional centre while your application for a declaration as a refugee is being processed. You are not allowed to seek alternative accommodation in the private rented sector during this time."
    Their local health board supplies –and this picture is far from complete-
    Furniture grants, electrical goods grants, and yes –used cars !!! complete with free driving tests and lessons (with interpreter if deemed necessary), and a whole array of grants for ‘special needs’ ,.
    This can include anything from actual building and supplies of their churches, free ‘ethnic’ braided hairdos (running into hundreds a go) or filling the tank of their health-board supplied car FOC.
    They also get something called ‘socialising money’.
    All false.
    They get what is effectively a policy of positive discrimination in placement on FAS, VTOS and maturestudentship in third level institutions. ( with the inevitable displacing of native Irish in the process.)
    False. ("As an asylum seeker, you are not entitled to free third-level (university or college) education.")

    What are the bets that "another forum" is Stormfront? (I'm in work now so I can't check for myself)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 55 ✭✭Milo


    moniker did you get that rant off the "Michael Howard I'm not a racist but" web-site???? :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 396 ✭✭ai ing


    Meh wrote:
    moniker wrote:
    Originally Posted by moniker
    Fact no 2 they are not subjected to vetting for criminal records or screened for contagious disease.
    False. A medical screening service is available to all asylum-seekers.

    Available versus required screening.

    Meh wrote:
    moniker wrote:
    They get housed normally in owner-occupier housing estates or apartment blocks and rarely if ever in sink council estates.
    False. From the Oasis page linked above: "You will be expected to stay at the regional centre while your application for a declaration as a refugee is being processed. You are not allowed to seek alternative accommodation in the private rented sector during this time."

    The problem is the regional centres are overflowing so they need to place them somewhere. They do not seek it themselves. Also do I remember something about it being illegal for the goverment to keep them in these centres for too long?


  • Registered Users Posts: 396 ✭✭ai ing


    milo wrote:
    moniker did you get that rant off the "Michael Howard I'm not a racist but" web-site????

    And why when someone points out problems with the SYSTEM they are called a racist? Its attitudes like this that stop people going out and tackling these problems.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭Meh


    ai ing wrote:
    The problem is the regional centres are overflowing so they need to place them somewhere. They do not seek it themselves.
    So what? It's still false to say that they are "normally" placed in private housing estates/apartment blocks. The vast majority of asylum seekers live in reception centres. It's only in exceptional circumstances that they get rented accommodation.
    Also do I remember something about it being illegal for the goverment to keep them in these centres for too long?
    I'm pretty sure you don't. I saw a report on the news a few weeks back, some woman had been living in a mobile home in one of these centres for two years waiting for her claim to be decided.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,064 ✭✭✭Gurgle


    moniker wrote:
    according to apost on another forum this is why she might come here!!....................................................................."There is obvious disinformation being disseminated by both official and pressure groups in realion to the asylum issue.

    This has led to the general confusion on why ‘asylum seekers’ come here in the first place.

    If you want to know why they come here then don’t listen to the lies and propaganda of officialdom or of ‘anti-racists’.

    Instead look to the facts insofar as they can be gleaned from day-to-day living in ethnically flooded areas.

    Fact no 1 . They spend only a short time in Mosney which functions as a reception center -as opposed to a detention center. Here they are covered by ‘emergency provision’

    They have, amongst other things, freedom of movement, choice of menu (which they constantly complain about), free healthcare and free ‘childcare facilities’, i.e. buggy prams, supplies of nappies etc. a free regular bus service into Drogheda and 19 euro a wk allowance per adult,. Of course they also have free board.

    Fact no 2 they are not subjected to vetting for criminal records or screened for contagious disease.

    Fact no 3. After they are processed they are moved out of Mosney and out of ‘emergency provision’.

    It is now that they start to receive the real goodies.( they seem to be getting better benefits than the disabled or pensioners)

    Note that they have not been processed as ‘refugees’.

    They get housed normally in owner-occupier housing estates or apartment blocks and rarely if ever in sink council estates.


    Their local health board supplies –and this picture is far from complete-
    Furniture grants, electrical goods grants, and yes –used cars !!! complete with free driving tests and lessons (with interpreter if deemed necessary), and a whole array of grants for ‘special needs’ ,.
    This can include anything from actual building and supplies of their churches, free ‘ethnic’ braided hairdos (running into hundreds a go) or filling the tank of their health-board supplied car FOC.
    They also get something called ‘socialising money’.

    They get what is effectively a policy of positive discrimination in placement on FAS, VTOS and maturestudentship in third level institutions. ( with the inevitable displacing of native Irish in the process.)

    All this is covered by an official smokescreen of half-truths and deceptions and happens long before they get even close to having their asylum application heard.

    The immigration lawyers have a vested interest in keeping the cases, and then the appeals, stretched out for as long as possible.

    This list is not a total account of everything, no doubt there’s more, but it is a fair reflection of the reality and of the scale of the social engineering project and deceit being played on the people by the Government and the rest of the establishment on this issue.

    The real question it seems is not so much “what is happening?’ but 'Why is it happening?'

    Why when the government knows that they have something like a 90% failure rate in achieving refugee status are they so eager to integrate them into society?

    Why is a blind eye been turned to systematic asylum abuse, human trafficking, criminality, importation of contagious diseases and mass orchestrated fraud to enable this enormous policy of integration by stealth"

    :confused:

    Good to see you again Arcadegame


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭bonkey


    moniker wrote:
    If you want to know why they come here then don’t listen to the lies and propaganda of officialdom or of ‘anti-racists’.

    I don't know about the rest of you, but I stopped reading here.

    I reckon its roughly the point where the chance of reasoned, informed discsussion died.

    jc


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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,608 ✭✭✭✭sceptre


    bonkey wrote:
    I don't know about the rest of you, but I stopped reading here.
    Oh I kept going.

    "Moniker", if you've got something to substantiate the free cars for asylum seekers statement (or the electrical goods allowance, that's actually a new one on me), kindly drop it into this thread at your convenience minus an associated rant in the same post please. If you can't do that you're not going to be of much use around here. Please note that saying that it's all hidden and sekrit or anything else to do with black helicopters or tinfoil hats doesn't count as substantiation.

    If not you could do us all a favour and actually stick to the topic at hand. A thread with the word "asylum" in the title isn't necessarily a licence to thrill.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    moniker wrote:
    Fact no 1 . They spend only a short time in Mosney which functions as a reception center -as opposed to a detention center. Here they are covered by ‘emergency provision’

    They have, amongst other things, freedom of movement, choice of menu (which they constantly complain about), free healthcare and free ‘childcare facilities’, i.e. buggy prams, supplies of nappies etc. a free regular bus service into Drogheda and 19 euro a wk allowance per adult,. Of course they also have free board.
    I think the argument that they get "free" food and board is stupid in the extreme. Er, what it is the alternative? They are not allowed work If they didn't get food and shealter they would all be homeless and starving to death, or you would have every single asylum seeker on Grafton St. trying to get enough money for food.

    They get very little actual money, they have to stay where they are told, and have to eat what they are given. TBH it sounds like hell to me, it would be like being 5 years old again, and is no state for an adult to have to live.
    moniker wrote:
    Fact no 2 they are not subjected to vetting for criminal records or screened for contagious disease.
    They are vetted for criminal activity but often the records in the country of origin are non-existant or false. Also should we really listen to the criminal records of a repressive country with regard to a political prisioner? Would you regard those in prision in China for free speach crimes "criminals?"

    They are not vetted for disease because that is irrelivent. Should we turn back people fleeing for there lives because they have HIV? We should only let in healthy political prisioners? Ridiculous in the extreme
    moniker wrote:
    They get housed normally in owner-occupier housing estates or apartment blocks and rarely if ever in sink council estates.
    They are housed where space can be found for them. Again, what do you suggested, we house them under shop fronts on Grafton St. :rolleyes:
    moniker wrote:
    Their local health board supplies –and this picture is far from complete-
    Furniture grants, electrical goods grants, and yes –used cars !!! complete with free driving tests and lessons (with interpreter if deemed necessary), and a whole array of grants for ‘special needs’ ,.
    No asylume seeker has ever been give a car for personal use by the State. Ever. That is one of the stupidest myths about asylum seekers ever started.
    moniker wrote:
    This can include anything from actual building and supplies of their churches, free ‘ethnic’ braided hairdos (running into hundreds a go) or filling the tank of their health-board supplied car FOC.
    They do not get free hair cuts. Another lie.
    moniker wrote:
    They also get something called ‘socialising money’.
    They do not get "socialising money". Another lie

    Despite the myths and lies put forward by the Stromfront groupies, being an asylum seeker in Ireland is possibly one of the worst states a person can be in this country (the other I can think of is being a homeless drug addict) You cannot work, you cannot choose where to live, you cannot even cook your own food. You have no money, or ability to be self sufficent. Your entire life is decide by the State. Put on top of that you are in a strange hostile country, often not speaking the language, with no resources or ability to start a life here. As I said before, it is my idea of hell, a completely alien existance from the "life" we take for granted in this country.

    Moniker it is obvious that you actually have no idea what you are talking about with relation to asylum seekers (or, I would imagine, anything else) Maybe you want to piss off back to Stormfront if you are going to continue to post lies and miss information about asylum seekers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 Popperised


    To anyone living in a heavily ethnically-flooded area the Offical version of benefits will be seen as a blatant smokescreen.

    A full public enquiry is needed to get the 'system' out the corner it has painted itself into by deliberately lying to enable a policy of social and cultural engineering- a policy of 'assimulation by stealth'.

    This type of offical lying has no place in a DemocracyIMO


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,064 ✭✭✭Gurgle


    Wicknight wrote:
    Despite the myths and lies put forward by the Stromfront groupies, being an asylum seeker in Ireland is possibly one of the worst states a person can be in this country (the other I can think of is being a homeless drug addict) You cannot work, you cannot choose where to live, you cannot even cook your own food. You have no money, or ability to be self sufficent. Your entire life is decide by the State. Put on top of that you are in a strange hostile country, often not speaking the language, with no resources or ability to start a life here.
    And to top it all off, if you actually managed to bring your life savings with you, or work your bollox off being ridden by the black market economy to buy a 15 yo banger of a fiesta, you get accused of getting free stuff.


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    A full public enquiry is needed to get the 'system' out the corner it has painted itself into by deliberately lying to enable a policy of social and cultural engineering- a policy of 'assimulation by stealth'.

    This type of offical lying has no place in a DemocracyIMO

    Why? What are the social ills of living in 'heavily ethnically-flooded area' other than having to face your own prejudices on a daily basis? :rolleyes:

    And no doubt you will be giving us details of your evidence that the 'system' is lying??

    This type of unsubstantiated accusations of a 'stealth policy' have no place on boards IMHO


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭Meh


    Popperised wrote:
    To anyone living in a heavily ethnically-flooded area the Offical version of benefits will be seen as a blatant smokescreen.
    Funny you should say that, I do live in a "heavily ethnically-flooded area" (just off Parnell Street in Dublin).

    If you have any hard evidence of official lying about asylum-seeker benefits (other than "friend of a friend" and "some guy on Stormfront said") then I'd be interested to hear it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    If you have any hard evidence of official lying about asylum-seeker benefits (other than "friend of a friend" and "some guy on Stormfront said") then I'd be interested to hear it.

    Don't hold your breath.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,557 ✭✭✭DublinWriter


    Meh wrote:
    If you have any hard evidence of official lying about asylum-seeker benefits (other than "friend of a friend" and "some guy on Stormfront said") then I'd be interested to hear it.
    Are you talking about the €1,500 car grant?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭Meh


    Are you talking about the €1,500 car grant?
    What €1,500 car grant?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,557 ✭✭✭DublinWriter


    Meh wrote:
    What €1,500 car grant?
    The one given to asylum seekers.


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