Why do NI nationalist/catholic voters support SF?

AmenToThat

Earthman wrote:

Do you accept that the very vast majority of the Irish people never gave their permission for this war to be carried out in their name and had a dim view of the IRA's actions?

I will if you accept that it was a very small minority of the Irish people who had no choice but to fight and couldnt give a feck as to how the rest of the Irish population view them as they werent subjected to the humans rights abuses of the British establishment over a sustained period of time.

AmenToThat

capistrano wrote:

While, I'm not a unionist, I think David Trimble was close to the mark when he said that "these folks ain't house trained yet" (or something like that).

Would this be the same David Trimble that marched through Portadown arm in arm with Ian Paisley after putting those pesky fenians in their place?
:rolleyes:

AmenToThat

AmenToThat wrote:

I will if you accept that it was a very small minority of the Irish people who had no choice but to fight and couldnt give a feck as to how the rest of the Irish population view them as they werent subjected to the humans rights abuses of the British establishment over a sustained period of time.

I actually do understand where the IRA drew their support and why.
Where I draw the line is the fact that they may claim the support of the Irish people for that, they had no such support.
I'm on record as saying that TBH.

mycroft

AmenToThat wrote:

I will if you accept that it was a very small minority of the Irish people who had no choice but to fight and couldnt give a feck as to how the rest of the Irish population view them as they werent subjected to the humans rights abuses of the British establishment over a sustained period of time.

Then why did this group call themselves the IRA, and not the DRA (derry republician army)?

The IRA have always mantained they have the mandate given to them by this dail, personally seeing as it was a vote taken 90 years ago, I think we need another election to see if the IRA still have that mandate

sceptre

AmenToThat wrote:

Would this be the same David Trimble that marched through Portadown arm in arm with Ian Paisley after putting those pesky fenians in their place?

I'm unaware of another David Trimble so yeah, it may well be the same chap.

Blackjack

mycroft wrote:

Then why did this group call themselves the IRA, and not the DRA (derry republician army)?

The IRA have always mantained they have the mandate given to them by this dail, personally seeing as it was a vote taken 90 years ago, I think we need another election to see if the IRA still have that mandate

Hmmm. This has always been the problem has it not?. When IRA members are being charged with membership, is it not the case that they are charged with "membership of an organisation styling itslelf as "Oglaigh na hEireann", which is the Official name of the Army?. I think the issue is that they never recognised that Dáil as the official government.
*disclaimer - I am pissed now, so I may edit this to correct as necessary.

[ Daithí ]

capistrano wrote:

I have family links with Derry and friends in Belfast.

Also, your dictionary definition of war refers to "prolonged open conflict" - I'm not sure how "open" then conflct was. We didn't exactly have armies facing each other. Any, I don't want to get caught up on semantics - it's a bit of a gray area and open to subjective interpretation.

Everyone points out the "open" bit. It was open. We did have armies facing each other. The Irish Republican Army, the Irish National Liberation Army, the British Army.

And etcetera... ¬_¬

But yes, I agree, it is open to interpretation. It's a matter of opinion, I suppose.

mycroft

Blackjack wrote:

Hmmm. This has always been the problem has it not?. When IRA members are being charged with membership, is it not the case that they are charged with "membership of an organisation styling itslelf as "Oglaigh na hEireann", which is the Official name of the Army?. I think the issue is that they never recognised that Dáil as the official government.
*disclaimer - I am pissed now, so I may edit this to correct as necessary.

Possibly they also might want to have a wee word about the whole illegal paramilitary terrorist organisation

Cork

Why do NI nationalist/catholic voters support SF?

Why are unionists supporting the DUP?

The electorate are voting for hard line extremist partys.

Blackjack

mycroft wrote:

Possibly they also might want to have a wee word about the whole illegal paramilitary terrorist organisation

Yeah, well they do have the notion that they are the official Army of the Republic, and the correct (and Legal) army is not. I don't think they see themselves as Terrorists, but then I don't have any dealings with them so I don't speak for them, and neither do I condone their actions or continued existance.

mycroft

Blackjack wrote:

Yeah, well they do have the notion that they are the official Army of the Republic, and the correct (and Legal) army is not. I don't think they see themselves as Terrorists, but then I don't have any dealings with them so I don't speak for them, and neither do I condone their actions or continued existance.

Part of the success of the IRA is a mythologising of a group of armed thugs as a heroic army of freedom fighters.

How they seem themselves is immaterial to what they actually are

Cork

Part of the success of the IRA is a mythologising of a group of armed thugs as a heroic army of freedom fighters.

Even after the McCartney murder - the most gullable still see them as such.

They have an effective propaganda machine.