Nintendo???

TerrorFirmer

BloodBath wrote:

It's a little more than video clips. Entire movies can be bought on those disks. Although the price atm is way too high. More than a dvd, come on. It's a more mature handheld which is probably why it appeals to me more than the DS does. The console market has grown up. Nintendo hasn't. I want more than just a few cutesy games. Having the ability to browse the net, listen to music, watch movies and play a hell of a lot more games, either online or with someone near you sounds a lot more appealing to me than a couple of innovative games that make use of the dual touch screen.

So? The N-gage could hold seven or eight movies on one MMC which are readily available and relatively cheap, which is totally unlike the UMD format. Didn't do any good really. If you want to surf the net? Use your computer. Who wants to surf the net on a tiny screen when you could just do it at home on your own computer. Fair enough, you might be away - but for most users prob not enough to warrant using the net on your PSP, if not at all.

Yes, they are nice extras, but tbh I wouldnt even use them or notice them, apart from being to able to know they are there.

I still think the DS is superior, maybe not in terms of hardware but certainly in terms of the way forward for handheld entertainment.

The PSP might have more games but they are largely unoriginal and tbh not very exciting after a few plays. The DS launch selection is not great either but there are going to be some amazing games released that innovate on the dual and touch screen. The best you can hope for on a PSP is "wow, this is awesome....but it'd be better, or at least equal, on a ps2". At least the DS is something totally fresh and original, that provides a different experience to just the previously traditional handheld controls, and one that can't be experienced on a console at that.

The DS is technically a great step forward, and an innovative and exciting one at that that has great possibilites. The PSP is just another handheld with better graphics.

Which for most is not what preference is based on in this particular area.

Zombrex

MobileInfantry wrote:

The DS launch selection is not great either but there are going to be some amazing games released that innovate on the dual and touch screen.

Such as??

A console lives and dies by the quality and quantity of its games. So far the DS has a small selection of crap games. Not a good start.

Of course for a long time the GBA had a load of crap games and over time a few jems appeared amoung the mess. So hopefully the DS will start to get some quality titles. But there is nothing on the horizon that makes me sit up and think it was worth buying my DS on launch day.

BloodBath

The DS is technically a great step forward, and an innovative and exciting one at that that has great possibilites. The PSP is just another handheld with better graphics.

If you think dual touch screens is the way forward then good luck to you. Very very few games can take advantage of it. They are limiting developers in what the can do. These are simple facts. Having 1 big screen is much better than having 2 small screens. The same is true with it being touch screen. Seriously how is that the way forward? Apart from a few novelty games I really can't see any really good uses for touch screen. Developers aren't suddenly going to start changing the way they have been making games for years to accomodate dual touch screens. Nintendo are shunning third party development yet again and they will lose the majority market share yet again because of this. I'd sooner be playing ps2 remakes than n64 remakes tbh. Apparently N are working on a new handheld already because the psp is a lot more powerful than the DS. Despite initial good sales I think down the line the DS will be seen as another mistake from Nintendo. I'm not saying it's bad by any means, the same as the cube and n64 weren't bad. They just aren't the all conquering Nintendo like they used to be pulling in all th third party developers and having the best tech on the market.


BloodBath

TerrorFirmer

ACtually, currently, the DS is outselling the PSP in Japan.

And as regards to a good innovative game taking full use of the touch screen, look no further then Advance Wars DS. It will be the king of handheld games, and I bet that there will be absolutely nothing to rival it on the PSP.

Granted that Nintendo aren't doing the right thing with regards third party support but whereas I would never be really bothered playing a PSP, I would always love playing the DS for the sheer different experience of the touch screen and the originality if offers in terms of enjoyment and gameplay.

Fysh

MobileInfantry wrote:

So? The N-gage could hold seven or eight movies on one MMC which are readily available and relatively cheap, which is totally unlike the UMD format. Didn't do any good really. If you want to surf the net? Use your computer. Who wants to surf the net on a tiny screen when you could just do it at home on your own computer. Fair enough, you might be away - but for most users prob not enough to warrant using the net on your PSP, if not at all.

Yes, because carrying around a laptop (or even a desktop!) is clearly no inconvenience at all if you want to browse the web. I mean, really, what a silly idea. By your own logic, if you really wanted to enjoy gaming you'd do it at home on your own console connected to a tv...

MobileInfantry wrote:

Yes, they are nice extras, but tbh I wouldnt even use them or notice them, apart from being to able to know they are there.

The same could be argued of the PS2's ability to play DVD films. It's certainly not a requirement for a gamer, but if you own a PS2 you don't need a separate DVD player. If, like me, you own a GC instead, you do. The same basic argument could be made about mobile phones, but these days the top of the range ones include blackberry functionality, FM radio tuner, mp3 compatibility, a low end digital camera, WAP or even full HTML web browsers....multifunctionality appeals to people and sells.

MobileInfantry wrote:

I still think the DS is superior, maybe not in terms of hardware but certainly in terms of the way forward for handheld entertainment.

The PSP might have more games but they are largely unoriginal and tbh not very exciting after a few plays. The DS launch selection is not great either but there are going to be some amazing games released that innovate on the dual and touch screen. The best you can hope for on a PSP is "wow, this is awesome....but it'd be better, or at least equal, on a ps2". At least the DS is something totally fresh and original, that provides a different experience to just the previously traditional handheld controls, and one that can't be experienced on a console at that.

We shall see. As has already been discussed in another thread and alluded to here, a lot of people are getting bored of Nintendo's tendency to alienate 3rd party developers - I don't see this changing particularly much because, well, revolutionary as having two screens might be, it's not going to change the face of gaming as we know it. Harsh words, I know, but really. A touchscreen interface really isn't going to be that amazing - the GUIs will basically end up the same as what would be used for a mouse interface. Maybe that's fresh and new for portable gaming, but, well, whoop de do. And sure, there's possibilities opened up by having two simultaneous screens. But there's only so much you can have going on on both screens before people lose the ability to keep track of them.

Frankly, I'll be doing the same as I did with the GBA on this one - sitting it out, waiting to see what the games are like and most likely eventually deciding I couldn't be arsed spending the money involved.

I think that the strength of the PSP is that it's not just trying to be a portable console, it's going for the portable entertainment centre thing - and as rather amusingly evidenced by Playboy's recent announcement that they're making PSP-oriented galleries available, it seems that content developers are taking it seriously in that respect, so I can't really see it being a flop.

CiDeRmAn

Ah look, if you own a PSP you must be finding the launch titles to be getting a tad long in the tooth, only really playing Ridge Racer any more, Wipeout is just kinda, wipeout, and the rest are just puzzlers and stuff we have seen time and time again on other formats, Mercury was set to be the show off title and then they left out the tilt sensor, still like the game but not quite the revolution it was supposed to be.

The DS range, while not up to the graphical standard of the sony machine, are its better in terms of gameplay and innovation.
We shall have to wait to see what both Nintendo and third-parties make of the Dual screen but from what I have played I think it could be very cool.
The Nintedo is a far friendlier console, easier to use and more robust, I hope the Irish consumer, blinded by all things Sony branded, will have the good sense to see Nintendo have a console worth their consideration.

And Sony, whats with the Analogue Stick on the PSP? What a piece of crap, impossible to use comfortably on anything except Mercury so far.

Fysh

Actually I don't own either because frankly my portable gaming needs, such as they are, can still be addressed by my old Gameboy (break it down oldschool 1989-style! Yeah! or something...).

My point is that while I'm willing to shell out for games, if I'm going for a portable system I'd prefer something that does more over something that does less. Others may differ, but that's my perspective, and I suspect that for the casual gamer the same would hold true, unless Nintendo pull off a serious marketing coup (which may yet be the case) or get some seriously good titles out there soon.

The innovations available on the DS have so far failed to make me wet myself with excitement so there's not much point in reiterating that "OMG! It has like, a dual screen and stuff!", and for every person saying that the PSP launch games were crap there's another person saying they're bored of most if not all of their DS games after a couple of weeks play. I can't see myself buying either, but the arguments for the DS are for me weaker than the arguments for the PSP.

TerrorFirmer

Yes, because carrying around a laptop (or even a desktop!) is clearly no inconvenience at all if you want to browse the web. I mean, really, what a silly idea. By your own logic, if you really wanted to enjoy gaming you'd do it at home on your own console connected to a tv...

Not really. I'm far more likely to want to play a game on a bus then browse the web, and I'm sure most people would be the same. The web can wait, generally speaking, so as long as I had access on my home computer, PSP web compatibility wouldnt be an issue for me. How often are you on the bus and say "Man, I wish I had a game to play", as opposed to "Man, I wish I could browse the web right now...."

multifunctionality appeals to people and sells.

Yes, that is very true, but I'm just saying like the N-Gage, on paper it sounds so much more appealing then it actually is in practice. What are the odds that after a few months, the majority of non technical minded users will use it for mainly pure gaming? And whats the deal with UMD discs? What a flop of an idea.....as if anyone is going to spend full price on a movie that can be viewed solely (for the moment) on a PSP.

Memory stick is a great thing though, the DS could gain from one admitadly.

a lot of people are getting bored of Nintendo's tendency to alienate 3rd party developers

Yes, I find them lacking in that regard as much as the next person but really, there will always be a decent collection available and unless that really changes I dont particularly care. It may not getalot of the popular multiformats, or some of the big hits, but at least with Nintendo, you are guaranteed a certain amount of top quality games for the machine in question, certainly enough to keep your active interest.

In fairness, it really depends on what you look for in handheld gaming, there is never going to be a definative conclusion on which machine is better in the overall scheme of things.

The same could be argued of the PS2's ability to play DVD films. It's certainly not a requirement for a gamer, but if you own a PS2 you don't need a separate DVD player.

Not really. In the home enviroment you'd watch alot of movies really, but how many times are you honestly going to watch a movie on your PSP? What you are saying is true, its a great feature, but not as important to the PSP as DVD playback is to the Ps2.

On that topic, the cube minidiscs are one of the most horrible implemation into a new nintendo age. What were they thinking, after the defeat that cartidge use laid at their door..... :rolleyes:

Their new console seriously needs to go a tad more mainstream or else they'll be the new Sega.

petes

BloodBath wrote:

If you think dual touch screens is the way forward then good luck to you. Very very few games can take advantage of it. They are limiting developers in what the can do. These are simple facts. Having 1 big screen is much better than having 2 small screens. The same is true with it being touch screen. Seriously how is that the way forward? Apart from a few novelty games I really can't see any really good uses for touch screen. Developers aren't suddenly going to start changing the way they have been making games for years to accomodate dual touch screens. Nintendo are shunning third party development yet again and they will lose the majority market share yet again because of this. I'd sooner be playing ps2 remakes than n64 remakes tbh. Apparently N are working on a new handheld already because the psp is a lot more powerful than the DS. Despite initial good sales I think down the line the DS will be seen as another mistake from Nintendo. I'm not saying it's bad by any means, the same as the cube and n64 weren't bad. They just aren't the all conquering Nintendo like they used to be pulling in all th third party developers and having the best tech on the market.


BloodBath

"Many games wont be able to take advantage ot dual screens. Developers arent going to change the way they make games." Surely it should be up to the developers to think about new ways to make games for dual screen instead of releasing the same old drivel as before. This would be the way forward. Innovative thinking is what is required. They are not limiting developers to what they can do. They want them to do something different. And as far as I can remember the ds wasnt supposed to take on the psp anyway. It was as you said what they are working on at the minute. Nintendos clutch on the handheld market was never about graphics or the like. Anyone remember the game gear which flopped next to the game boy. If there wasnt a Nintendo out there releasing new ideas and not just regurgitating old ideas , we'd be fooked playing the same ****e over and over again.

TerrorFirmer

Anyone remember the game gear which flopped next to the game boy.

In fairness, if the PSP used 6 AA batteries a day, I have a slight feeling it'd flop next to the DS or even GBA as well....

Cake Fiend

MobileInfantry wrote:

On that topic, the cube minidiscs are one of the most horrible implemation into a new nintendo age. What were they thinking, after the defeat that cartidge use laid at their door..... :rolleyes:

Explain this?

Is this supposed to mean that Nintendo gamers should give a crap whether their games console plays DVDs?

koneko

MobileInfantry wrote:

Not really. In the home enviroment you'd watch alot of movies really, but how many times are you honestly going to watch a movie on your PSP? What you are saying is true, its a great feature, but not as important to the PSP as DVD playback is to the Ps2.

See, what you're doing is taking what YOU would and wouldn't do, and applying it to everyone else. Plenty of people will watch movies on their PSPs when they're on the bus, train, plain, whatever, waiting in queues, inbetween lectures, anywhere you're waiting and would otherwise be fiddling with your phone or playing snake.

There are portable players *dedicated* to playing movies/shows alone, why is it so farfetched that this is something people will want to do, except they don't need to shell out $400 for a seperate unit, their portable games console can already do it.

petes

I for one never gave a crap that my gamecube didnt play dvds. Thats what I used my DVD player for.

Fysh

petes wrote:

I for one never gave a crap that my gamecube didnt play dvds. Thats what I used my DVD player for.

And I for one did. Yes, I had a computer at the time (and now have 2) that can play DVDs. That computer didn't have a graphics card that could output onto a TV screen. So my options for DVD-viewing goodness (a popular interest with the same main target audience as gaming) were to watch on PC monitor or get a dvd player. PS2 owners didn't face that problem.

If you're given the choice of one device that does two things, or two devices that do one thing, which purchase sounds better? Until you throw in the non-equal games catalogue, the multifunctional device wins : at least for the casual gamers. Nintendo is basically banking on people valuing its range of games more than they value their cash (since buying a DS means your handheld won't let you do any other things that are possible in a portable context). If the games are worth it, fine. But frankly, I've not yet been convinced.

TerrorFirmer

There are portable players *dedicated* to playing movies/shows alone, why is it so farfetched that this is something people will want to do, except they don't need to shell out $400 for a seperate unit, their portable games console can already do it.

Too many innappropriate comparison in this thread. A dedicated portable player will play real DVDs and CDs. PSP plays movies off a memory stick. Hardly the same.

Is this supposed to mean that Nintendo gamers should give a crap whether their games console plays DVDs?

You or I mightn't give a crap, but as said before, its very important that a console plays DVDs to the general gaming population. And I was just saying after loosing out by using cartidges, they should have gone the safe approach and used regular discs, allowing also for playback of movies.

The pathetic performance of the cube alongside the ps2 and xbox saleswise reflects it.

koneko

MobileInfantry wrote:

Too many innappropriate comparison in this thread. A dedicated portable player will play real DVDs and CDs. PSP plays movies off a memory stick. Hardly the same.

Actually, no, I'm not talking about a portable DVD player, but a portable divx/file player, like the Portable Media Centers. If I was talking about a portable DVD player, then I would have said "portable DVD player".

Accept that your uses of devices aren't exactly the same as everyone else's, and there is no "right" answer here. Different people have different needs, and video playback can be very useful for some people.

Fysh

MobileInfantry wrote:

Too many innappropriate comparison in this thread. A dedicated portable player will play real DVDs and CDs. PSP plays movies off a memory stick. Hardly the same.

Yeah, but other multifunction devices like high-end mobile phone/PDAs will play videos off MMC/SD cards (I know the Siemens SX1 will, the N-gage has already been mentioned, and I'm pretty sure theres a few others too). The benefit being down to the ability to have multiple files stored on one memory stick (which, as the space available on memory sticks increases, will become more and more relevant). It's not that difficult a function to incorporate, and given the existing market for dedicated portable mp3 or movie players (and again the shared prime target audience for these kind of devices and portable game machines) I would say that a device that does this sort of multifunctionality has a market advantage. It remains to be seen whether the innovation of the DS can compete with this.

I would also argue, for the record, that anywhere you're in a position to think "I wish I had a game", people would also conceivably think "I wish I had a film to watch/music or radio to listen to/book to read/". The fact that you don't want to watch a film on the bus doesn't mean that you might not fancy watching, say, an episode of Red Dwarf or South Park or something. Or that someone might be open to more than gaming as an idea for portable entertainment. Which, after all, is what portable gaming is. Sony have just decided to target more of the portable entertainment market than Nintendo, and I don't really get why it's being met with such aggression by gamers.

Personally, I'd kind of like to see innovative game design thrive, but I think that it'll take more than a portable console with a second touch screen to bring this about. Realistically it requires developers to be in a position that they can take risks - and being serious, if you have a game budget of 10 million dollars do you really want to be the guy who spearheaded a spectacularly original but ultimately unpopular game project with tanked and ended up as a massive loss? This is the kind of thinking big companies use when developing high cost games, and unfortunately it means that people like EA use it to justify releasing another identikit sports license game.

(Regarding the multifunctionality argument, I should add that in a lot of cases multifunction devices fail by not doing their functions well - a good example being multimedia cameraphones that try to compete with mp3 players and digicams by offering one device that requires external storage to hold any serious amount of mp3s and gives you a crappy 1.3mpx camera with roughly webcam-type quality. Anyone who really uses any of these functions will go for a dedicated device because for the time being the multifunction device specs don't compare.

As portable tech improves its specs, we'll get to the stage where multifunction devices can compete with dedicated devices adequately, at least for the non-specialist market. I think the PSP is a good example of this, and I haven't been convinced otherwise by the pro-DS camp's arguments.)

Cake Fiend

I'm personally more glad that Nintendo didn't waste my money by charging me extra for something I didn't want (and making me end up with a big black brick instead of a nice dinky cube).

MobileInfantry wrote:

The pathetic performance of the cube alongside the ps2 and xbox saleswise reflects it.

So you really believe a significant reason Gamecube sales flagged was because it didn't play DVDs?

Fysh

Sico wrote:

I'm personally more glad that Nintendo didn't waste my money by charging me extra for something I didn't want (and making me end up with a big black brick instead of a nice dinky cube).

So you really believe a significant reason Gamecube sales flagged was because it didn't play DVDs?

Not by itself, but : if you're a casual gamer looking for a console cos you don't want to fork out for a PC, and you find you've got the options of Sony and Nintendo, but that the Nintendo one has a much smaller range of games, and then someone points out that the Sony one plays DVDs as well, which one seems like a better choice?

The only reason I bought a Cube was because I checked the gameslists and found that there were about 10 titles I wanted and decided they were enough to justify getting the console when argos had it going cheap. I didn't realise at the time it didn't play DVDs and I found this faintly annoying because I'd assumed it was pretty much standard - my own fault I realise, but still a bit of a daft decision from nintendo, especially when they'd already made a dumb decision by opting for cartridges for the N64 instead of CDs. I daresay hardcore gamers would already have decided whether the Nintendo titles were worth enough to them to get the console or not, but in terms of the wider casual gamer market it's an extra factor that might put you off.

Retr0gamer

If you really are interested in watching DVDs you would have a higher quality standalone DVD player. The quality from consoles especially the PS2 is terrible.

However your point about the DVD play back is a valid one. Joe soap is going to think that it's great that he can finally watch DVDs on his console but won't realise the quality is so poor that he might as well be using VHS.

Dbones

anyone remeber the sega nomad... the game gear sequel that played genesis games?

Retr0gamer

Yep. Only sold in Japan and America. Eats batteries like a fat kid eats pies.

uberpixie

Fysh wrote:

Not by itself, but : if you're a casual gamer looking for a console cos you don't want to fork out for a PC, and you find you've got the options of Sony and Nintendo, but that the Nintendo one has a much smaller range of games, and then someone points out that the Sony one plays DVDs as well, which one seems like a better choice?

The only reason I bought a Cube was because I checked the gameslists and found that there were about 10 titles I wanted and decided they were enough to justify getting the console when argos had it going cheap. I didn't realise at the time it didn't play DVDs and I found this faintly annoying because I'd assumed it was pretty much standard - my own fault I realise, but still a bit of a daft decision from nintendo, especially when they'd already made a dumb decision by opting for cartridges for the N64 instead of CDs. I daresay hardcore gamers would already have decided whether the Nintendo titles were worth enough to them to get the console or not, but in terms of the wider casual gamer market it's an extra factor that might put you off.

People who can't afford pc's buy xboxes :-)

The use of the smaller disks for the cube, was to make piracy harder by using a propritary format of their own, instead of using off the shelf dvds.

Nintendo's problem is that they only ever really appeal to hardcore nintendo fans.

They never seemed to gain the kind of mass following after the snes.

Doubt the revolution will change this. But hopefully we will get some fantastic titles out of it.

At the end of the day, for me, a friend put it best. "when nintendo fall out of the console market it's the last time I buy a console"

Fysh

uberpixie wrote:

People who can't afford pc's buy xboxes :-)

The use of the smaller disks for the cube, was to make piracy harder by using a propritary format of their own, instead of using off the shelf dvds.

Nintendo's problem is that they only ever really appeal to hardcore nintendo fans.

I suspected as much in terms of the discs, but it's not like it would have been difficult to incorporate the ability to read DVDs along the way. Not if the functionality can be restored by getting the damn thing modchipped, at any rate.

uberpixie wrote:

They never seemed to gain the kind of mass following after the snes.

Doubt the revolution will change this. But hopefully we will get some fantastic titles out of it.

At the end of the day, for me, a friend put it best. "when nintendo fall out of the console market it's the last time I buy a console"

Well, fine. If you're willing to write off every other console apart from the ones made by one company, so be it. Do you also refuse to watch programmes aired only on TV3 or any other given channel, on principle? I mean fine if you're that devoted to Nintendo, but I've never understood that rabid thing myself - you just end up missing out on quality games.

Hugh Hefner

uberpixie wrote:

At the end of the day, for me, a friend put it best. "when nintendo fall out of the console market it's the last time I buy a console"

Here here.

BloodBath

"Many games wont be able to take advantage ot dual screens. Developers arent going to change the way they make games." Surely it should be up to the developers to think about new ways to make games for dual screen instead of releasing the same old drivel as before. This would be the way forward. Innovative thinking is what is required. They are not limiting developers to what they can do

The fact that you can't focus on two screens at the same time is a limiting factor. In my opinion this makes it pretty pointless. I could see a couple of good applications for it like in a stategy game you could keep an eye on 2 areas without having to move about but this is one of very few I can think of. Not to mention 2 different scenes would have to be rendered cutting the graphics capability in half.

At the end of the day, for me, a friend put it best. "when nintendo fall out of the console market it's the last time I buy a console"

Even if they started making games on other consoles like sega? Tbh Nintendo software is and always has been great but the hardware just ain't what it used to be. It probably won't make a difference though. Nintendo fanboys are the most hardcore of them all.


BloodBath

uberpixie

Fysh wrote:

Well, fine. If you're willing to write off every other console apart from the ones made by one company, so be it. Do you also refuse to watch programmes aired only on TV3 or any other given channel, on principle? I mean fine if you're that devoted to Nintendo, but I've never understood that rabid thing myself - you just end up missing out on quality games.

Brothers have a ps2 at home. Housemate has an xbox. Don't like the style of games on them.

Each console has a style of it's own: I like Nintendo's.

BloodBath wrote:

Even if they started making games on other consoles like sega? Tbh Nintendo software is and always has been great but the hardware just ain't what it used to be. It probably won't make a difference though. Nintendo fanboys are the most hardcore of them all.

Sega seem to be a shadow of their former selves after the dreamcast. Not sure how well nintendo would do. How many good games have sega made post dreamcast?

I would agree that nintendo fanboys are the hardest diehards of them all :-)

Only other company to inspire so much loyalty was Sega.

Especially in the snes Vs megadrive days.

Shame the dreamcast bit the dust. Great console. Nearly caused me to fail 2nd year :-)

Fysh

uberpixie wrote:

Brothers have a ps2 at home. Housemate has an xbox. Don't like the style of games on them.

Each console has a style of it's own: I like Nintendo's.

Weirdly, while I readily admit that I bought my Gamecube because there were about 6 games at the time that I wanted enough to justify the purchase, I can't really believe that you'll just dismiss both platforms like that, because the "style of games" on them are crap. They are open to 3rd party developers, you know - and while I don't know enough first-hand Xbox titles to defend it (and by all means haven't heard that many great things about it) I can remember spending countless hours during my last year in college playing a wide range of games on my housemate's PS2. Fair enough if you like Nintendo games in particular; I just don't understand dismissing an entire system because it's basically "not Nintendo".

uberpixie wrote:

Sega seem to be a shadow of their former selves after the dreamcast. Not sure how well nintendo would do. How many good games have sega made post dreamcast?

Well, they were involved in F Zero GX to some extent (oddly enough), but I don't know what else they've done....shadow of their former selves is about right, I reckon.

uberpixie wrote:

I would agree that nintendo fanboys are the hardest diehards of them all :-)
Only other company to inspire so much loyalty was Sega.
Especially in the snes Vs megadrive days.
Shame the dreamcast bit the dust. Great console. Nearly caused me to fail 2nd year :-)

I didn't think so before (chiefly down to seeing game forums filled with "PS2 RULZ the GAYCUBE;s asss" etc), but I'm starting to turn. Who knew the company could inspire such devotion (particularly the blind kind evidenced in many of the DS vs PSP discussions)?

I actually kind of miss the Sega vs Nintendo rivalry, because at least back then people were forced to concede that both sides had good games. These days the argument seems to be basically that if you "get" Nintendo games you'll understand why the PS2 and Xbox suck, and as soon as you defend them your opinion seems to be pretty much ignored or dismissed. And I have had several people try to claim that there hasn't yet been a decent game on the PS1 or the PS2 (a notion which, frankly, makes me laugh). Although maybe I'm the dumb one for arguing with fanboys in the first place...

And yeah, it was a shame the DC went the way of the dodo. I'm surprised the GC hasn't done the same thing by now, in fact. In a good way, though, given I own one

Dbones

nintendo will never die as long as the almighty gameboy reigns supreme... ask sega...

iregk

The amount of fanboy nature in this thread is unreal.

Now i'd like to say that I am not a fanboy at all as i have owned a lot of consoles, nes, megadrive, ps, xbox to name some. Unlike a lot of people I can actually look at this with unbiased eyes.

Some have said that Nintendo completely lack originality while Sony is obviously leading the way here. Yeah they are aren't they, they have used the same controller for the past 10 years, re-released the ps1 three times and the ps2 is currently on its second time around. The fact that they are not allowed to use the dual shock for ps3 may force them to actually think.

Nintendo have constantly inovated. Every console they come up with at least 1 completely genuine idea. Granted the game sector for them seems to be off the rails these days. The small disk idea in the game cube appeared to be a woeful idea, but the sucessor to the gameboy (no its not the ds) is due out end of year and it uses the mini discs. So basically the entire cube catelogue will play on the new game boy. As for the revolution, well the rumours ive heard sound good but only time will tell.

Microsoft seem to be doing what everyone screamed out for in the original xbox. The xbox 360 will be the complete media center solution. This is a huge plus!!! The original xbox in my opinion is the best of the three but it can be broken down like this. If you want originality and good games buy Nintendo. If you want a sport sim with updated names and colours every single year buy Sony. If you want a media center solution and the best graphics and sound on the market but not necessarily the best games buy Microsoft.

BloodBath

The only fanboys are the Nintendo ones tbh. I myself am completely unbiased. I've owned a lot of consoles over the years and always go for what imo is the best although I probably won't get any of the next gen machines. I have a complete media centre as it is. I don't need another one and I think I can survive not playing the latest zelda or mario incarnation, although I wish I still had a ps2 so I could play mgs3


BloodBath

Retr0gamer

BloodBath wrote:

The only fanboys are the Nintendo ones tbh. I myself am completely unbiased. I've owned a lot of consoles over the years and always go for what imo is the best although I probably won't get any of the next gen machines. I have a complete media centre as it is. I don't need another one and I think I can survive not playing the latest zelda or mario incarnation, although I wish I still had a ps2 so I could play mgs3

So you went for the best, the xbox ? :rolleyes:

uberpixie

Fysh wrote:

Weirdly, while I readily admit that I bought my Gamecube because there were about 6 games at the time that I wanted enough to justify the purchase, I can't really believe that you'll just dismiss both platforms like that, because the "style of games" on them are crap. They are open to 3rd party developers, you know - and while I don't know enough first-hand Xbox titles to defend it (and by all means haven't heard that many great things about it) I can remember spending countless hours during my last year in college playing a wide range of games on my housemate's PS2. Fair enough if you like Nintendo games in particular; I just don't understand dismissing an entire system because it's basically "not Nintendo".

I never said they were crap. I just said i did not like them. There is a difference.

It's not like I have only ever played the cube and nothing else: I have played both other consoles.

Tusky

http://cube.ign.com/articles/607/607437p1.html

Kazaanova

Maybe we're all picking it up wrong. Maybe the 3D stuff will only be a very small thing, like the EyeToy is to the PS2.


And as someone who has had a Gamecube and played maybe 6 games on it, I dont know a lot about Nintendo. But can someone explain to me how the games on the Gamecube have been original. They just seem to be the same recycled kiddy platform **** over and over again.

If you want a media center solution and the best graphics and sound on the market but not necessarily the best games buy Microsoft.

I dont get this at all. What do you mean by "media center solution". The Xbox has always aimed to be just a gaming machine. Its the PS2 has always been the jack of all trades. And gamewise, its just ignorant to say that the Xbox doesnt have a lot of good games. At the end of the day, when its all said and done, anyone who has an Xbox has their pick from: Halo, Fable, Grand Theft Auto, Splinter Cell, Ninja Gaiden, Jade Empire, Brothers in Arms, Morrowind, Doom III, Foroza Motorsport, Half Life 2, Chronicles of Riddick, Kingdom Under Fire. Not to mention a lot more great games that are available on other consoles. The Gamecube has a lot of good games I'll admit, and so does the PS2, but please, don't say that the Xbox doesnt.

BloodBath

So you went for the best, the xbox ?

I've actually had all 3 of the last gen consoles at one stage or another. I can't say any of them were bad. All 3 had great titls that I really enjoyed.


BloodBath

Kazaanova

I'm in the same boat as you BloodBath. I'd agree with you.

Unless you're really only a sports gamer, or a action gamer etc., then you cant really "lose out" by only having a Gamecube, or a Xbox. But I really havent seen the average gamer, non-nintendo fan by satisfied with just a Gamecube. Not only have I seen a lot of people buy a Gamecube, then sell it, I've seen people who had a PS2 or Xbox, buy a Gamecube aswell and even then sell it.

koneko

You are very much limiting yourself if you're sticking to only having a Gamecube. Plenty of Nintendo fans around here will admit that aswell. You're missing out on great games that are (or were) only available on other consoles, like Ico, Halo, GTA, Jade Empire, KOTOR, Doom 3 (...), the list goes on.

I mean, it's like saying "I love films!" and then only watching films released by one studio. It doesn't make any sense.

Ciaran500

Kazaanova wrote:

But can someone explain to me how the games on the Gamecube have been original. They just seem to be the same recycled kiddy platform **** over and over again.

You played 6 games and you are labeling all the games on the console "recycled kiddy platform ****" :rolleyes:

Kazaanova wrote:

I dont get this at all. What do you mean by "media center solution". The Xbox has always aimed to be just a gaming machine. Its the PS2 has always been the jack of all trades.

When you mod a Xbox it can become a complete media centre. What you mean the PS2 is the jack of all trades? They both play DVDs and music CD's and you can rip music onto your Xbox.

hal9000

fe fi fo fum, I the smell the blood of fanboys!

Hugh Hefner

Kazaanova wrote:

The Xbox has always aimed to be just a gaming machine.

*Rubs eyes* *Realises what was just said*

You're kidding right? You must be kidding. I refuse to believe you're not kidding as that would mean we have de-evolved as a species.



Proud Nintendo fanboy Hugh Hefner speaking.

Tusky

Kazaanova wrote:

The Xbox has always aimed to be just a gaming machine. Its the PS2 has always been the jack of all trades.

bahaha
If thats what you think then you should be banned from the games forum...or at least stopped from expressing any kind of views on anything game related.

Kazaanova

Ciaran500 wrote:

When you mod a Xbox it can become a complete media centre. What you mean the PS2 is the jack of all trades? They both play DVDs and music CD's and you can rip music onto your Xbox.

I mean that the PS2 was marketed, and sold so well, because it diddnt look like or come off as "kids toy". It looked like a proper peice of home entertainment. It could easily sit beside your DVD player and whatever else, and look in place. Unlike the Gamecube or even the Xbox. Its just the direction Sony go in, look at the PSP.

I don't see whats wrong with saying the Xbox is a gaming machine.

Hugh Hefner

Kazaanova wrote:

I don't see whats wrong with saying the Xbox is a gaming machine.

There's nothing wrong with saying it's a gaming machine. There is something wrong with saying that it's just a gaming machine.


Edit:
Side note:

I came across this pic. I didn't create a thread for it cos' I don't have much confidence in it's validity. My apoligies if it has been posted before. Anway, I just thought I'd mention it....

BloodBath

I doubt it's real as well;

"Slip gamecube games through the small slot or press the open button to widen the slot for cartridges"

Jesus I can't beleive someone went to the effort of making this and then accompany it with something so unbeleivable.


BloodBath

Retr0gamer

looks like bull. I don't think anyone is stupid enough to use cartridges in the next generation.

KdjaCL

Shame the 1st post was actually good.

But tbh.....



kdjac

Khalim

*ouch!*

yeah, i pretty much agree with the general view that nintendo seems to have lost a bit of their magic...

...but that just means when they come up with something special, i will enjoy it.

I just hope they dont fade away like sega...

Horsefumbler

I remember when the levels on duke nukem for the n64 had to be totally remade cause they featured gunshops and the red light district. :rolleyes:

Nintendo deserve to be relegated to 3rd spot for thatact of faggotry. Ye y'all know what I'm talking bout.

Dbones

that pic is awesome... god hates internet fanboys hahahaha