I can't believe this is allowed...

Ro: maaan!

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=216791

Has this just not been noticed by an admin yet, or is it actually allowed on boards? It's bad enough that they can discuss killing animals here, but to post pictures of the dead animals??? :rolleyes: Are you ****ing kidding?

Chalk

dead animals arent illegal.

Ro: maaan!

Neither is porn.

snappieT

Some aren't too bad, but others do come off quite graphic alright.

Chalk

still dont see your point.

there only animals

Ro: maaan!

What point? It's your point that lacks sense. Legality has nothing to do with it. It's wrong, offensive, senseless, brutal, and serves no purpose.

fade2black

You can show dead animals but you can't show a naked person. Explain that one please

nesf

Ro: maaan! wrote:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=216791

Has this just not been noticed by an admin yet, or is it actually allowed on boards? It's bad enough that they can discuss killing animals here, but to post pictures of the dead animals??? :rolleyes: Are you ****ing kidding?

Hunting is perfectly legal in this country, and is not restricted by age. Thus not equatable to porn. And there is a shooting board on here, so the admins obviously don't have a problem with people posting about the killing of animals on here.

If it bothers you so much, then don't read that board, and quit bitching about it.

Chalk

serves no purpose, how?

its a shooting board.
there are pictures of things people have shot.
if your offended by shooting dont look at the board.

if your offended by dead animals, ill guess your a vegetarian, and in that case, you should just stop.
ive never seen that thread before, i dont care about it one or the other, buts its one of the aspects of shooting, which as hunters they should be entitled to discuss,
and not have to stop because some animal rights activist wants them to.

senseless, brutal etc, your opinion, most people in ireland eat meat, and its their choice,
most people understand that animals are killed for meat,
so if this was a democracy i reckon theyed still win.
its not however and the mods of that forum allow it,
so be it.

pm a mod over there,
dont try to call in an admin to stop it.

joe.

It's a hunting forum. Nothing too sensational there I think.

secret_squirrel

Ro: maaan! wrote:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=216791

Has this just not been noticed by an admin yet, or is it actually allowed on boards? It's bad enough that they can discuss killing animals here, but to post pictures of the dead animals??? :rolleyes: Are you ****ing kidding?

Dont have a cow man!

flogen

Hunting animals has no appeal to me whatsoever, that's why I don't go there. I like animals and find the hunting of them for sport pretty stupid (among other things), but that's my opinion.
Until there's a law passed, however, it's perfectly legal to do what these pictures are depicting and as a citizen of this country it is your obligation to respect the rights of others. If you want to really do something you should petition the government to ban hunting, I promise you my support.
Until then, don't visit shooting and don't complain about something that is legal... in other words your opinion (and mine) doesn't matter.

Chalk

thats the beauty of living in a democratic country.
the wants of the many are given priority to the wants of the few.

Vexorg

Guys hang on a moment ... these are pictures of animals taken in a hunt, they are in a thread of Hunting Photos in the shooting forum.

If these picture were particularly graphic, there may be cause for concern. For instance there was a spate of cooking cats and dogs (alive) videos a couple of years ago. This was obscene.

Are they any different to the picture of a large salmon my dad caught while fly fishing?

So now that you have brought the thread to my attention, Yes the mods now know about it. Yes its allowed, I think you will find that the vast majority of people will not have a problem with hunting pictures, they may not like it, but get on with it.

If you want to discuss something you have strong feelings about please do so in a less hysterical style of writing, you are not appealing to anyone sense or morality when you make a statement that "porn is not illegal".

By all means start a discussion, but please do a little research about hunters and hunting, I think you will find that few are offensive, senseless, brutal and the large majority actually eat the animals they shoot. As it it being wrong that is a matter of opinion I think, I personally do not approve of hunting, for different reasons to you, but I know hunters who will shoot pests for farmers, better than some of the poisions farmers use.

So less of the statements and explain why its "It's wrong, offensive, senseless, brutal, and serves no purpose." Get a proper discussion going and put some arguements forward to change some minds.


Vex.

Mercury_Tilt

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Giblet

Hey I love maggots, I have a few in my kneecaps now.

muckwarrior

I can't understand how people get all worked up about shooting animals. I'm sure 99% of these people would have no probelm squating a fly. But if the animal happens to be furry or cute then all of a sudden it's wrong. Guess what, every little cute bunny rabbit or birdie you see in the wild is going to come to a gruesome bloody end. Fact! Being shot is probably one of the most humane deaths that a wild animal can have.

If the sight of dead animals sickens you then for Gods sake stay out of the hunting forum!

Ro: maaan!

I'd be in the 1% there. I've never killed anything on purpuse. Of course I've stepped on things by accident. But I can't remember ever doing it without wishing I hadn't. ("Yeah yeah... taking it too far, relax." Say what you like. I'm just replying to muckwarrior's comment.)

The only reason I mentioned porn was in response to Chalk's "dead animals aren't illegal" comment. I was only pointing out that porn isn't illegal and it's banned on boards. Thus rendering his comment irelevent. But as for what nesf said... Is it illegal for people under a certain age to look at porn? To buy it yea. But to look at it? To look at nipples? Doubt it. But the rule here is no nipples, even on a private forum that you need to say you're over 18 to view. I'm not saying that this has anything to do with dead animals. Just using it as an example of something that's not illegal but banned from boards.ie. I know when I have children I won't be sheilding them from breasts, but I wouldn't want them to see some of those pictures on that thread. The law really has nothing to do with this.

Ok, serves no purpose. I may have been a little vague there. Not the actual act of hunting, but showing each other pictures of the animals after you've killed them. Really, does it serve a purpose? Suppose it serves a purpose if there's someone who wants to see it. So the question here is (disrgarding the law) do the admins prefer boards viewers to be the kind of people who like to look at naked ladies, or the kind of people who like to look at dead animals?

Vexorg, about the fish, sadly it's exactly the same thing. But I've seen so many pictures of so many fish being held up by people with huge smiles on their faces that it doesn't seem like such a big deal to me anymore. I'm sure that if I'd seen more pictures like the ones on this thread when I was younger I wouldn't see that much wrong with it. [Luckely my parents gave me porn to occupy myself, so I never had to see anything like that when I was young. ] It's not really about what the majority have a problem with. As I just said I've come to accept seeing dead fish. I just wouldn't like to think that in another few years pictures of dead deer won't shock and discust people like me.

Just because shooting them is more humane than what ever it is the famer would have done doesn't make it right. Just makes me dislike the farmer tbh.

It's wrong because: It's killing. Do I have to explain that one any further?
It's offensive because: It offends me! Basically animals never do anything wrong.
Senseless: It's under the heading of sport. So killing for sport. Senseless killing.
Brutal: Killing...?
Serves no purpose: Again I was talking about the pictures there. They really don't. Even if the killing does.

*Sigh*

nesf

Found an animal rights forum or something.

I'm sure there are plenty of people on here who feel the same way and would just love to rant about it with you

Or if your leanings are towards veganism or the like. Found a forum for that and have a place to post about it

I'm actually a little suprised there isn't already a veggie or animal welfare board on here already.

DrIndy

whats the difference between eating something you shot and eating something from a supermarket shelf?

At least the wild animal had a chance of free life before being swiftly and humanely killed (most hunters are good hunters). Whereas slice of beef has been stressed out of his life carted packed into containers and then dragged into a slaughterhouse to be much less humanely dispatched.

Hunting is good, its a sport and as long as you eat what you kill and kill it humanely - its perfectly acceptable.

Davey Devil

I don't think posting pictures of dead animals for amusement is in any way humane. More bullets than brain cells in that forum.

Asok

I'm a level 6 vegan I wont eat anything that casts a shadow.

nesf

Asok wrote:

I'm a level 6 vegan I wont eat anything that casts a shadow.

ROFL!

Do you realise that the electricity thats powering your computer comes from powerstations that burn coal and oil, which come from the highly compressed remains of dinosaurs!

You hypocrite!!! You are abusing dead animals as we speak!!

And so on.

Asok

My computer runs on love!

Sparks

For the love of...

Right, for a start - Ro:mann you were banned from the shooting forum because of the nature of the comment you made. If you'd started this thread in there and kept it civil (instead of the "this thread gets me so hard" comment you did leave), you'd have been perfectly able to discuss this with people who know what the specifics of the topic are. Starting this thread in here is somewhat disingenous.

The simple fact is that humans are omnivores. We eat both animals and plants. And to eat an animal you must first kill it. Whether you eat it as a fish caught from the stream or a rabbit shot in the field or a MacDonalds Happy Meal, it still means an animal had to be killed.

Hunting is a very strictly regulated activity in Ireland. There is an entire body of law and a section of government that monitors it. Only humane methods may be used (though the practise of hunting with hounds is under considerable debate in terms of its level of humaneness at present). Strict licensing is enforced so that wildlife stocks can be preserved and the ecosystem we live in protected.

Posting a photo of an animal that was legally shot is not illegal. It falls under no obscenity law, and it's not shoved in your face (in fact in your case, Ro:mann, you can't see them anymore). You have to specifically seek them out. And believe me, you'll see far more gruesome photos of far more distressing things in the Nine O'Clock news most nights of the week.

And for the record, hunting photos aren't all photos of dead animals. They can be photos of the hunting party, they can be photos of the landscape taken by the hunter, they can be simple wildlife photos (hunters don't spend all their time in the countryside running about armed looking for something, anything, that they can shoot at, y'know). Also for the record, most hunters in Ireland belong to the NARGC, an organisation that does more for conservation than any other group in the entire country, including both animal rights groups and government groups. And this isn't done just by them handing over a few quid every year; each and every member of each and every local gun club contributes both money and their personal time in restocking and husbanding the wildlife that they may later hunt. In other words, they do far more than you've ever done for animals in this country.

And for the record, I've never hunted. I doubt I could bring myself to kill something unless it meant I'd starve otherwise. All I've ever shot are paper targets in Olympic Target Shooting. And I feel a rather nonlinear degree of distaste for trophy hunters (most, if not all, Irish hunters hunt for the pot). But that doesn't mean that I go about trashing people in a public forum they may not even be aware exists, without knowing all the facts of the situation.

nesf

Asok wrote:

My computer runs on love!

Yeah but...

Um...

Damn.

Touche.

flogen

Sparks wrote:

The simple fact is that humans are omnivores. We eat both animals and plants. And to eat an animal you must first kill it. Whether you eat it as a fish caught from the stream or a rabbit shot in the field or a MacDonalds Happy Meal, it still means an animal had to be killed.

I take issue with this comment.
Can you prove beyond reasonable doubt that there is any meat in a Happy Meal?

Beruthiel

Mercury_Tilt wrote:

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Mercie darling
I think of you all the time

WhiteWashMan

nesf wrote:

If it bothers you so much, then don't read that board, and quit bitching about it.

however, it is in bad taste according to some people.
this is not a 'muppet' issue, but a humanities issue, and as such, the arguement 'if you dont like, the dont look' cant apply.

i dont think you or anyone here has the right to belittle other peoples heartfelt opinions (and animal cruelty is a heartfelt issue, make no mistake).

nesf wrote:

And there is a shooting board on here, so the admins obviously don't have a problem with people posting about the killing of animals on here.

we have an archery forum, i have yet to see any dead thing on that.

we have a greyhound racing forum, i have yet to see hare coursing on that.

we have a horseracing forum, i have yet to see any fox hunting on that.

is it a shooting board, or a hunting forum, becuase i see a big difference.
ive never seen any deer shot in the olympics during the shooting...

nesf wrote:

Hunting is perfectly legal in this country, and is not restricted by age. Thus not equatable to porn.

you mean you can be registered to own a gun at any age in ireland?
more absurd laws.

Gilgamesh

man, the next thing will be banning discussions on clothes in the fashion Forum, IT'S A HUNTING FORUM!!!!! principal of hunting is, you go somewhere, shoot an animal and takes pictures of it to demostrate the size of your c0ck!
well.... there is a bit more than that to it of course, but the idea of hunting is to kill something.
these discussions are all well and good, but if you don't like it, don't go there.
I don't go into the fashion forum, as I don't like it, no big deal, I don't feel a severe burning sensation in my eyes because of it, and I guess you wouldn't either if you didn't go into the hunting forum.

there is a difference between porn and Hunting... in porn the gun normally gets fired IN someone, and hunting the gun get's fired AT something ( with manymany exceptions, hehe)

Porn is not illegal to a certain extent, but the point where it becomes illegal on boards is as soon as it is written in the rules, Which Dev has in place.
So live with it.

Imposter

WhiteWashMan wrote:

however, it is in bad taste according to some people.
this is not a 'muppet' issue, but a humanities issue, and as such, the arguement 'if you dont like, the dont look' cant apply.

i dont think you or anyone here has the right to belittle other peoples heartfelt opinions (and animal cruelty is a heartfelt issue, make no mistake).

I have a problem with Work but I don't take offense to the forum!

is it a shooting board, or a hunting forum, becuase i see a big difference.
ive never seen any deer shot in the olympics during the shooting...

This is the only issue as I see it. If people don't like hunting then stay away from the forum but if people want to discuss it and it's not illegal then why not? People take offense to a lot of things but that's their problem and not the problem of those engaging in that activity.