I can't believe this is allowed...

nesf

WhiteWashMan wrote:

however, it is in bad taste according to some people.
this is not a 'muppet' issue, but a humanities issue, and as such, the arguement 'if you dont like, the dont look' cant apply.

i dont think you or anyone here has the right to belittle other peoples heartfelt opinions (and animal cruelty is a heartfelt issue, make no mistake).

I wasn't belittling anyones opinion on it, or saying that they didn't have a right to hold it. Personally I find hunting photos very distasteful, I grew up in a hunting area in the countryside and was forced to kill animals and then prepare them as food from a young age and I didn't enjoy it to put it mildly.

My point was though that, since the forum in question is a hunting forum, I personally don't read it. Because I know I won't like some of the posts there. But I don't see why someone should kick a fuss up about it here, where the photos were posted in a forum dedicated to hunting. If this thread was in AH I'd agree with the OP about them, but since they are not being posted in a forum that is not already dedicated to hunting and shooting, I don't see a problem. I don't know about others here, but one of the reasons I don't read said forum is because I don't want to read or see things about hunting. I do not see the point with someone choosing to go into a forum whose purpose they are totally against, unless it is to start an argument there. This would be no different to me going into the greyhound forum and starting a rant on how cruel the sport is to the dogs. Yes I'm entitled to hold that opinion, but posting it there is just trolling in my eyes and will not add to the forum in any way except to cause arguments and fights.

we have an archery forum, i have yet to see any dead thing on that.

we have a greyhound racing forum, i have yet to see hare coursing on that.

we have a horseracing forum, i have yet to see any fox hunting on that.

is it a shooting board, or a hunting forum, becuase i see a big difference.
ive never seen any deer shot in the olympics during the shooting...

The shooting board is also the hunting forum. Tis in it's charter. I know because I am interested in shooting as a sport, but after reading the charter and seeing that it was also a hunting forum, I decided to not post or read posts on there since they would just offend my sensibilities.

you mean you can be registered to own a gun at any age in ireland?
more absurd laws.

No I meant that children take part in hunting, and the killing of animals for food from a young age, and it is not considered illegal or immoral by this country (not necessarily individuals). As a child of 7 I was made go out and strangle a turkey with my hands, then clean and gut the bird, pluck it, and get it ready for christmas dinner. My dad thought it would be character building. That was perfectly legal. Now I will never do the same to my children, if I have any. That wasn't a pleasant experience for me, or one I ever care to repeat. It turned me vegi for a year actually.

But the legality in showing hunt photos in a hunting forum is not in question. Again, if these photos were posted elsewhere on boards, I'd have a problem with them. But seeing as they are in the one place where I'd expect to see such photos, and because of that the one place I avoid, I don't see what the problem is.

It's not illegal. I personally don't like it, but to be perfectly blunt about it, I am an adult, I can make my own decisions about what I choose and not choose to look at. And to be fair the photos in question weren't graphic or there for shock value. They were photos taken by people who engage in a hobby, that while I might oppose, is perfectly legal in this country.

The OP is just ranting emotionally, and is not saying anything constructive. As a person who does care about such issues, but who has to live in a country where hunting is legal, I do not mind that there is a hunting forum on this site, since it means that such photos and posts are in one place and not assailing me when I'm sifting through the spam that fills AH every evening.

It's not me belittling his opinion or views, this is me saying that as an person, one needs to recognise that the world is not a sugar coated place, and that there is alot in it, that both offends and insults you. You just need to learn to live and let live, and to respect that other people might enjoy something that you find distasteful. So long as it's legal I do not see why I have a right to ram my opinion down their throats. Campaign on a public forum to have it banned yes, telling the participants of said practice that they are evil and misguided in their forum is not something that you are entitled to do.

WizZard

Trojan wrote:

Yes, Master. I Will Shoot Hunting Photos.

That's the spirit...

Evil Phil

Sparks wrote:

Then I doubt they'd be looking in a shooting forum in the first place, but more likely hiking/climbing/orienteering/photography forums, and even then I seriously doubt they'd click on a thread entitled "Hunting Photos" with no conception that there might be some photos of dead animals in it.

Well it could be about hunting actual photos, kinda like an easter egg hunt for art students

Hugh Hefner

For the herbivores in this thread, support the Vegan/Vegetarian Forum.

You know you want to.

WhiteWashMan

woah, for those of you posting back at me, like i said, i care not one way or another, i just feel that people think the whole issue is balck and white.
it isnt.

nor is it logical. people are never logical when it comes to animals. and thats their right. that doesnt mean that if you dont agree with their sentiments that they have to be patronised with stupid 'youve eaten meat, seen it in the supwermaket' type arguements. i do think that it is belittling to those people.

i also dont think it really has any issue to do with the law in ireland.
its about what is socially acceptable, and i feel that if a number of people are offended by something that really doesnt happen that often, then would the community not be better off just not doing it?
i mean, does it really need to be taken down to a 'its my right to post up dead things if i want' type argument?
coz another pedantic petty argument over semantics with tireless rebuttles because someone said 'a' instead of 'the' i scored a point bull never really does anyone any good, and no lesson is ever learned.
come to a compromise, instead of just arguing.

personally, if its that great an issue, then just create a sub forum for hunting, make it private or something, and you can show all the landscapes and dead animals you want.

although, i really have no idea why people would get upset at the site of dead deer, other than the fact that it really isnt pleasant. christ, i have no idea how many foxes, rabbits and pheasant i pass every day on the roads that are dead.
oh, and squirrels too.

but i really did think the shooting forum was for sports shooting. and no, i didnt read the charter. why would i? i dont go in there

Hobbes

What Nesf said.

stevenmu

I think it really all comes down to censorship, what should be censored and what shouldn't ? There are obvious things that almost everyone would agree should be censored, such as anything likely to cause boards.ie legal difficulties. Should photos of dead animals be censored because they may offend some people ?

Personally I don't like to see anything censored unless it absolutely has to be, and I may be very wrong about this, but I always thought that was part of the boards.ie ethos. There's been a lot of crap on boards I haven't liked, but I'm much happier for it to be there so I can choose to avoid it than to have somebody else decide for me that I can't see it.

Ro: maaan!

Alright, I'll agree that my "Then why make such a point of it that it contains photos of lanscapes and wildlife?" question really has nothing to do with it. Just like the fact that the wildlife and landscape photos have nothing to do with it. A picture of a dead animal is still a picture of a dead animal if there are pictures of landscapes on either side of it.

I don't think I'm being as "emotional" as you all seem to think. Obviously I have strong feelings on the subject, but I have made a proper argument. Saying it has no ground is wrong. It's just that you all seem to be misunderstanding what my argument is, as the topic moved from the pictures to the actual hunting. The pictures are the only things I have a problem with. I'm not trying to stop hunting. I'm not trying to get the board closed down. I don't mind if you talk about it. I can assure you that I won't be reading it. Only reason I was in there in the first place was I saw it in the new post section and wanted to see exactly what kind of pictures were in it. And it did piss me off when I saw them. So much so that I posted a sarcastic remark. Later I thought about the whole thing and wondered if the admins knew about the thread (it's fairly new) and if this kind of thing was allowed. It is the case that there are things banned from boards.ie that are perfectly legal, (even if they're clearly marked in the thread title.) My initial reaction was that this should be one of those things, and I just wanted to find out. Perhaps still a little "emotional", but nevertheless. All I really wanted was an admin to either say it's allowed or to put a stop to it. Vexorg said it was allowed. So fair enough, there's not a lot I can do about it. I will choose not to look at the thread again. I would have done that anyway, but I thought I may as well raise the issue here.

I'm just surprised that there are so many things not allowed here, and this isn't one of them.


Edit: Btw about censorship. I'm pretty much against it. But I dislike this, so if there's an option to remove it I'll take it. However if there was an option to remove all censorship, I'd take that instead. Im' not so much arguing for what I believe as arguing that the rules of this board seem to be conflicting with each other.

nesf

Ro: maaan! wrote:

Only reason I was in there in the first place was I saw it in the new post section and wanted to see exactly what kind of pictures were in it. And it did piss me off when I saw them. So much so that I posted a sarcastic remark.

You should have known better than to have looked at that post when you knew you had problems with animals being killed. My point is that, that thread is perfectly legit and proper for the forum it was in. You going in there and posting as you put it "a sarcastic remark" is nothing but acting the muppet and being disruptive. This isn't a chaotic free for all, this is a moderated bulletin board site. Seperate forums exist so that people with common interests may discuss them and engage in debate on them. As a member of this site you need to respect that while you might not agree with the posts of a certain forum, you do not have a right to disrupt threads in said forum. It would be exactly the same for someone to go onto a vegan board and start calling everyone there freaks who are damaging themselves by having an artificially restricted diet that deprives them of essential vitamins and minerals. That person would be totally entitled to hold that opinion, but they are not entitled to disrupt said hypothetical vegan board by posting them on there.

Edit: However, if they posted an intellegent post asking about the potential problems with the vegan diet, and looked to start an intellegent debate on them, then that would be fine. It's just the "sarcastic remarks" that are out of line, not necessarily the opinion.

You are obviously not an idiot or a child from the posts that I have seen, that is why I am posting this. If I thought you were just a troll looking for attention I'd ignore you, but this seems to just be an isolated incident so I'm making the effort to try and make you see why what you did was wrong. Don't take this the wrong way, I agree with you about the photos, I just don't think that you were right in responding to that thread in the manner you did. Bringing up the issue here is also a bit on the pointless side, since we do have a hunting forum here, so the admins obviously don't have a problem with it.

I don't have anything more to say about this, but hopefully you can see my point.

Jim

I think his point is not if he agrees with killing animals or not.
I think its that he was surprised it was allowed on boards.ie when so many other things aren't.

secret_squirrel

Part of the OP problem seems to be the usual misunderstanding/forgetting of the nature of boards.ie. As most of us realise the ultimate arbiters of whats allowed and whats not are the Admin's. Its only fair considering how much of their time, money, blood, sweat and tears go into boards.ie

Hence there are things on here that are banned pr0n and things like Hunting photo's are allowed. Ultimately boards is neither a democracy, or necessarily a reflection of what society finds socially acceptable, hence as long as the admins are ok with it its fine.

[/stating the obvious mode]

WWM wrote:

oh, and squirrels too.

Dear god wont someone think of the Squirrels? :eek:

Mercury_Tilt

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Zaph0d

porn: superquinn-style

Agent Smith

WhiteWashMan wrote:

we have a greyhound racing forum, i have yet to see hare coursing on that.

Hare Hunting Is Not illegal in this Country, There Are VERY strict Guidlines tho for ity to Take place,

Such as

All Dogs Have to be registered, All dogs must were mussals, The Hare Has to be Examimed By a registered Vet, And All Hares Must be Treated Humainly,

And example of the last point there is at the Irish Cup in Limrick last febuary. over 20 hares were Given Free slipps, ( i.e with out any Dog after them) because The vet demmed them Not suitable to Race.


Joe

Sparks

Mercury_Tilt wrote:

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Isn't that the standard legal position in this country anyway though?

Personally I always thought that the Shooting board on boardsie was for the sport ala the olympics version more than the blowing sh1t away type.

It is, but olympic shooting is only one part of the shooting sports in this country, and the sports shooters are welcome in the forum as well for talking about the shooting aspect of things (discussing which rifles perform better, that kind of thing) as opposed to the stalking aspect of it.

(BTW, "shooting sports" and "sports shooting" are defined internationally as being two seperate things; the former are target shooting sports, the latter is hunting)

Mercury_Tilt

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Ro: maaan!

secret_squirrel wrote:

Part of the OP problem seems to be the usual misunderstanding/forgetting of the nature of boards.ie. As most of us realise the ultimate arbiters of whats allowed and whats not are the Admin's. Its only fair considering how much of their time, money, blood, sweat and tears go into boards.ie

Hence there are things on here that are banned pr0n and things like Hunting photo's are allowed. Ultimately boards is neither a democracy, or necessarily a reflection of what society finds socially acceptable, hence as long as the admins are ok with it its fine.

[/stating the obvious mode]

Dear god wont someone think of the Squirrels? :eek:

OMG. Haven't you read any of my posts? It's this nature of boards.ie that I understand perfectly. And to say it again, I thought that this would have been one of the things that they wouldn't have allowed. I'm not at all saying that just because I disagree with it it shouldn't be allowed. In fact my intire argument is based on the fact that the admins are the ones who decide what goes and what doesn't. Again, I simply didn't expect them to allow this when they don't allow other things (that I don't think are as bad.) Yes, part of the argumnet is that I think this is worse than, say, porn, but the real point / question I was trying to make / ask was do the admins not think it's worse or equal.

As for the "sarcastic remark", or whatever it's being called, can we please set it aside for the moment. I do know it wasn't the best thing to say. I completely agree with you (nesf) that it was wrong. I was just annoyed. It's pretty much the only time I ever posted anything like that. Anyway, it really has nothing to do with the this. The issue that's being discussed here has nothing to do with a random comment. The only connection is that I was the one to say it. Imagine someone else started this thread. Would you be quoting what I said then?

nesf

Ro: maaan!

What bit of my post is that in reference to? Or maybe it's in reference to this post. Because by posting about it I'm just proving your point! I was just replying, like everyone else on this thread. I wish people would address the issue rather than the poster. I've spent most of my posts on this thread trying to get it back on topic, and away from me. That ^^^ has nothing to do with the topic here. What difference does anything about me make to the topic?

Gazza22

That is a F.UCKING disgrace...make you think about the kinda F.UCKS boards asks to become mods....and yeah i don't care about my F.UCKING language, it has the same taste as that thread

billy the squid

would renaming the thread title in shooting to something like "Hunting Thread, post your pictures here" as opposed to the current title not suffice.

if you are going to click on a thread in the forum index with hunting and photos in the title, and your offended by such material, then what do you expect.

you wouldnt buy a tin of beans if you didnt like them, especially if it said BEANS on the tin.

Ivan

Excuse my ignorance, but I still dont understand whats wrong with taking pleasure from killing animals. Presumably, hunters who hunt as a passtime, do it because they enjoy it.
Is there something strictly wrong with that? And how can someone be allowed to talk about something but not post pictures on the same topic? Furthermore, as was stated, the thread contains nothing that wouldnt be allowed on the 9 o'clock news.

Fair enough, feel compassion for the death of an animal, but make no mistake, there is nothing morally wrong about it.

WhiteWashMan

Ivan wrote:

Fair enough, feel compassion for the death of an animal, but make no mistake, there is nothing morally wrong about it.

completely off topif here, and with no additiona to the debate, but actually, that is highly subjective, and as such, the above statement is infact, wrong.

some people do feel there is something morally wrong with shooting animals.

what you meant to say was

Ivan wrote:

Fair enough, feel compassion for the death of an animal, but make no mistake, in my opinon, there is nothing morally wrong about it.

bounty

yep always gotta stick in the imo

i have no problems with these hunting photos

anyone who does, imo is a whining wuss

Hobart

flogen wrote:

I take issue with this comment.
Can you prove beyond reasonable doubt that there is any meat in a Happy Meal?

What, exactly, are you talking about?

WhiteWashMan wrote:

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we have a horseracing forum, i have yet to see any fox hunting on that.

...

Hunting has nothing got to do with Horse Racing. We do talk about point to point from time to time however.

WhiteWashMan

i was being facetious

dahamsta

muckwarrior wrote:

Your just being rediculous now.

It's ridiculous. Say it out loud. Can you hear an E?

I don't have a particular problem with the photos being posted, I wouldn't have even known they existed if I hadn't seen this thread. However I do think that the people that post them, that take pleasure from killing the animal and photographing the result, are animals themselves.

I also believe that rather than objecting to the posting of the photos, people that are offended by them should campaign for a right to put those responsible in stocks and kick them up the arse for a half hour or so. They get their pleasure out of something senseless and cruel, we get ours.

Call it The Kicking Morons Up The Arse Campaign, stick it in your sigs, link it here. I shall be your leader, as long as I get first kick!

adam

muckwarrior

dahamsta wrote:

It's ridiculous. Say it out loud. Can you hear an E?

Oh deer! My sinserist apologees. Do speling mistaks realy boder you dat much???

Giblet

No they just make you look retarded.

muckwarrior

Giblet wrote:

No they just make you look retarded.

In that case I'm sure everyone here has looked retarded at some point or another.