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AmarilloFats

Fitz satellite. 10 PLAYERS. 40Euro entry Winner takes all.
Starting chips 1500
6Players left. Blinds @ 75/150
2 limpers..
Good player(chip leader) in MP goes all in for T4000
Folded to you in BB, u have 3500 in chips, you have Td8d.

Whats your play, why..blah???

Lafortezza

Fold. Give us a hard one!

Hitchhiker's Guide to...

it must have been played: but why??!!

Hitchhiker's Guide to...

even against AKo you have a 41% chance of winning. But, why go into a hand when you know you must be some sort of underdog?

Iago

AmarilloFats wrote:

Fitz satellite. 10 PLAYERS. 40Euro entry Winner takes all.
Starting chips 1500
6Players left. Blinds @ 75/150
2 limpers..
Good player(chip leader) in MP goes all in for T4000
Folded to you in BB, u have 3500 in chips, you have Td8d.

Whats your play, why..blah???

chip leader has 4K and you have 3.5K, why would you even consider a call here?

fold without hesitation, even with a reasonable hand like AJ, AQ, or a small pocket pair I'd fold here, much less T8s. Plenty of time to wait for a hand where you have a better chance of return

NickyOD

I would imagine the only reason you asked is because someone called and won with it. Whoever it was has abviously been watching way too much Gus Hansen. "Hmmm it's a coinflip if he has an underpair, and 40/60 if he has over cards. That's means I'm getting 90% pot odds right?"

AmarilloFats

YEah he called with T8s
Poster here shows 99.
Poster was shocked..As was I, initially.

It is a winner takes all format.
OK this time he got his chips in as a 1:2 underdog.
Against AK he is 2:3..
I think in this format you have to be prepared to get your money in with the worst of it in order to double up..
He is one of the best players in the Fitz....!!!!!
Food for thought

Hitchhiker's Guide to...

against a pair of 77 or lower he is actually even a slight favourite. But, it does seem a bit crazy to deliberately go into a hand knowing you are behind...

biteme

AmarilloFats wrote:

He is one of the best players in the Fitz....!!!!!
Food for thought

Out of curiosity who?

Culchie

sounds like a 'norman'

Hectorjelly

AmarilloFats wrote:

I think in this format you have to be prepared to get your money in with the worst of it in order to double up..

If this were true (and its not) then we could build a perpetual motion machine.

Lafortezza

Hectorjelly wrote:

If this were true (and its not) then we could build a perpetual motion machine.

It's all ready been done with cats and buttered toast and shít...

AmarilloFats

No it was not Norman, but Norman was at the table and he said he would have called too. He was a lawyer I think. Perhaps that explains it.
Perhaps I am trying to defend the indefensible.
I think People tend to call in such situations with AQ, AJ, KQ, hands often dominated. BUt would never call with T9s!Live cards.
In a rebuy situation I have seen very good players put all there chips in with the worst of it in order to double up..

So can you explain the logic/thought process...of Norman and Kevin the lawyer when they make calls like this..

"In this forum be obey the laws of thermal physics"

Hectorjelly

It makes sense to make bad calls in a rebuy multi table tournament because you can build a big stack and then use that to your advantage, thereby overcoming the EV that you have given away by your earlier calls. However, in a freezeout with only a few runners this logic doesnt apply.

There are some situations in which it make sense to take what is in essence a bad call, usually when its a choice of either taking a - EV move or knowing that you because the when the blinds are about to rise and you will be forced into a even worse move in a few hands.

But where you are the 2nd chip leader and the blinds are relatively small it simply doesnt make sense to make a call like this, your calling for all your chips in a situation where you will almost never be a favourite, and you need to hit your cards to win. Moving in with a hand like this is an entirely different scenario, because you have given yourself two ways to win the hand.

Its true that calling here with T8s is marginally better than calling with AJ, but that doesnt make it any better.

Its hands like this that make me think that a lot of the regulars in the fitz dont really understand the game at all.

AmarilloFats

nice post Hector.
Ok so you fold this one.. you fold on the small blind too.
Blinds increase (as they did) and the value of stack therefore decreases
So you get all you money in a few hands later(a smaller stack) as 55% fav...
Better poker..Better chance of winning the single prize?

bohsman

A lot of messing goes on in these STTs when youve a few regulars that normally only play each other in serious tournaments or cash games