p2p complaint through esat

PixelTrawler

balls! at least if you go down it should be for something decent!

joke! im sure these are just warnings - like the music industry they'll prob hit big uploaders first to make examples of people and scare off potential downloaders

LegacyUser

Gosh bye bye bit torrent.

PixelTrawler

i think this is exactly their aim

apeking

Would ProtoWall have made a difference do people reckon??

Mutant_Fruit

apeking wrote:

Would ProtoWall have made a difference do people reckon??

In my opinion, i think those kind of programs aren't really that useful overall. All it would take would be for someone in the *insert company name here* to get an IP address thats not on the ban list, and spend a few hours trawling torrents logging IP's. It'd be easy enough to check what IP's are on the list, so they could (in theory) bypass the apps easily.

julius

deadl0ck wrote:

I just got then exact same call. Very worrying, however, I don't think it's a big deal - he said they got a comlaint from Sony Pictures saying I was distributing via BitTorrent - I was downloading, But with BitTorrent, if you're downloading, you're also sharing out what you're currently downloading, so in effect you're uploading.
I didn't talk to the guy, just had a message on my machine.
I think (pretty sure) this is a warning, otherwise Sony (or whoever) would be in contact in writing - I've heard of a few other's who had similar calls - it's just a slap on the wrist and to be honest it worked - theree goes BitTorrent off my system !

Hey deadl0ck,

What movie and at what time did they call???

Zenith74

P2Pers in the US get warnings like this all the time but most seem to just ignore them without any reprecussions. I'd say Esat are just covering themselves by saying they warned you. Just me 2 cents.
I've only really heard of people getting warnings for downloading films, very few for music or software. I don't download much but make a point of avoiding films, especially new releases as these are bound to be watched.
I used Peerguardian for a while but gave up after a while. These companies are dedicated to tracking people down online, I'm sure they're quite capable of getting new IP addresses to get around the likes of Peerguardian. Waste of time IMHO.

julius

Sony probable have a couple of snoopers logging IP's who are connected to torrents on very public sites(we know who the big torrent sites are).

So the only way to get away from those snoopers would be joining small private torrent sites.

Who controls the motion picture industry in Ireland anyway???

r3boot

the problem is that you can tell EXACTLY who it is you are downloading from on bit-torrent. The only way of dealing with this is centralization and we all know what happened with that (napster)

Sparky

the only time i ever used bittorrent was to download the programme 24, because i cant wait for Sky one to show it.
Is downloading tv shows illegal?, like ar'nt the tv companies going to get paid for the airing rights anyway wheather or not there downloaded or not.

Ive never used BT for movies or music because of the possibility of being caught.

deadl0ck

I missed the call so I don't know - he left a message on my machine.

To be honest I've download about 15 movies (if even that) since I got Broadband over a year and a half ago - they're just too big and slow to get.

Supercell

r3boot wrote:

anybody get contacted regarding "a company" "complaining about illegal distribution through bittorrent"?

Got a phone call this morning; very worrying.

I was told that I was distributing movies through the internet and that although esat couldn't give the company my identity the company could go to the garda and get it that way.

Could they do that ? Would they ?
Anybody else had a similar experience ?

Just to clarify, the person calling identified themselves as an esat employee ?
If so what department did they say they worked in?, are you sure someone isn't acting the mick with you ?

Nephew

i've tens of gigs of music and movies on my pc which i ripped myself from cds and dvds my family own (i've never seeded or uploaded any of it), but i have downloaded albums and movies but they would only amout for maybe 10% of the files on my pc. in the unlikely event that you were brought to court by the irma how would they distinguish from what i download and what i rightfully own?

kaizersoze

"I have a wireless router. One of my neighbours must be tapping into it Your Honour"

Eye

my dad got a call from esat this evening, round about 7:00-7:30, dunno if he mentioned what department he was in, but he went on to tell my dad that a complaint had been made against us by M.G.M for having distibuted without person a movie of theirs :-\

My dad said the guy he was talking to was friendly and was'nt being an a$$hole about it, he explained that they received the complaint and had to inform us about it, kinda like a warning really, but if they got more complaints then they would disconnect our broadband service. He was able to tell my dad the film in question, the date and time of said offence and how it was downloaded....i.e ip address was logged from bit torrent.

He told my dad that while it is only a warning he should check it out with anyone who uses's the pc obviously to find out if it was kids that did it unknowingly or anything like that, from what my dad said, the guy he was talking too said it happens all the time, half the time people dont even know there is a program running in the background but they have to warn people that the complaint was made.

damnit anyway, was so enjoying my torrents
looks like i'll be giving things a miss for a while now *sigh*

mimix

r3boot wrote:

the problem is that you can tell EXACTLY who it is you are downloading from on bit-torrent. The only way of dealing with this is centralization and we all know what happened with that (napster)

Were you using PeerGuardian or something similar.

Nephew

out of interest, what movie was it?

Eye

Be cool was the movie in question :-\

Nephew

i downloaded that last night i think i'll be staying away from torrents for a while

r3boot

Longfield wrote:

Just to clarify, the person calling identified themselves as an esat employee ?
If so what department did they say they worked in?, are you sure someone isn't acting the mick with you ?

yes, yes and no

he was an esat employee, he gave me a name and a department and no it was no joke.

I used the wi-fi excuse, he just said that I should use a firewall (tell you how much expertise these guys have) and that should solve the problem if it were a firewall but as things stand at the moment I would be the person liable in court.

I doubt I'll be sent there anytime soon I just think it was a random thing where they picked the top 100 or so downloaders checked their logs and gave them a call.

Eye

yeah i think i'll have to find alternative means :-\

funny film though

Nephew

i've yet to watch it. i think i'll be curbing my downloading from now on.

mimix

In fairness unless you recieve a warning on paper it is not a warning.

r3boot

mimix wrote:

In fairness unless you recieve a warning on paper it is not a warning.

I agree but that would not stop them from just ringing you up and telling you you're disconnect (remember no limits... I was one of the people who took that literally and way subsequently disconnected )

Lexmark.Printer

Looks like it could be Esat doing this them selves to stop people using up all the bandwidth using bittorrent. Or is it only Esat user's downloading with bittorrent?

Why has no one on any of the other ISP being getting calls? Just a thought

nellieswellies

Thats the most stupid thing I've ever heard, how would they know what movie it was?, do you really think an ISP will hop onto torrents to spy on their users when they could just leave it up to the companies who do it full time to contact them.

Have a search for threads like this they come up all the time.

Lexmark.Printer

nellieswellies wrote:

Thats the most stupid thing I've ever heard, how would they know what movie it was?

If you used that small pea sized grey thing in your head you would now how easy it is!

nellieswellies wrote:

Do you really think an ISP will hop onto torrents to spy on their users when they could just leave it up to the companies who do it full time to contact them.

Duh, in case you haven't been reading the thread it is the ISP (East) who is contacting the people. lol

Snaga

Dont be silly - conspiracy theorist extraordinaire!

If an ISP receives a warning letter from Sony (or Paramount or anybody) and it subsequently goes to court, Im sure the ISP would rather have a little note saying 'Customer <blah> was informed on <date> <time> and asked to desist'.

Bingo bongo, ISP's ass is covered.

I know someone with Esat and another with Irish Broadband who have been contacted about it in the past, so its not just Esat.

Lexmark.Printer

Snaga wrote:

Dont be silly - conspiracy theorist extraordinaire!

If an ISP receives a warning letter from Sony (or Paramount or anybody) and it subsequently goes to court, Im sure the ISP would rather have a little note saying 'Customer <blah> was informed on <date> <time> and asked to desist'.

If it comes to court at some time in the future, bingo bongo, ISP's ass is covered.

I have seen these letters in the past so I know that they are sent to ISP's and most ISP's would contact the customer about it. I know someone with Esat and another with Irish Broadband who have been contacted about it in the past, so its not just Esat.

It's not the ISP's responsibility if you download movies or not, there ass is all ready covered. It's your responsibility! If you want to download movies/porn/music that’s up to you but you have to face the consequences if you're caught not the ISP.

An ISP would rather you didn't use bittorrent for legal downloads that’s why they throttle certain ports.

Snaga

Ah yes, but everyone likes to limit any possible liability when they can, regardless of current practices by the RIAA/MPAA and their counterparts (who would really like ISP's to be responsible if only the (current) law of <insert country> would let them).

It still seems like a fairly sensible approach to pass the information along to the customer, at the very least its a warning to them that they have been caught doing something naughty and should maybe stop before people in this country start getting sued for movie sharing.