Gay people and prejudice

Boston

Sangre wrote:

My point was you're prejudiced against people but then horrified that people could be biggoted to homosexuals. I just pointed out that there are valid opinions to be predjuiced against them.

of course there is, there are some undeniable facts about the gay-community, the scence and the culture, which allot of people don't like. But allot of gay people arn't in the "gay-community", on "the scence" or relate to "the culture", and just because someone is, may say very little about that person. I'm well aware of the fallacy of judging a whole group of people based on experience, or lack there of, of a few. But the orginal point hasn't been argued at all, so I take it as a given that it doesn't matter whether someone likes someone else, once they stay the hell out of your face about it?

rsynnott

Sangre wrote:

Of course they could have a reason, social, political, religious or biological.

Just because its directed at you doesn't make it any difference from your prejudice.

Okay, let's address the 'reasons' mentioned for hatred.

Social: Gay people do no obvious harm to society. If you can show me an example of people suffering because of the presence of gay people I'll be impressed.

Political: As far as I know we are currrently without a major gay-bashing political faction.

Religious: No major religion both prohibits homosexuality and condones hating those who are prohibited by that religion.

Biological: Homosexuality is present in most higher mammals and elsewhere.

But I agree that he has no grounds for on the one hand objecting to irrational prejudice (against gay people) and on the other hand espousing irrational prejudice (against various random groups mentioned above).

Sangre

Just because you don't agree doesn't make a reason any less valid.

KdjaCL

Shabadu wrote:

Something that really pisses me off is straight guys attitudes twoards lesbians. Guys always comment when my best friend and her mot are walking holding hands. Like all they really need is 'a good shagging'. Tbh I shared a flat with them once and a good shagging doesn't appear to be a problem for them. Ffs, it's not a porno guys.

Are you not prejudging all straight guys? Or are you subtly agreeing with your topic ?


Kdjac

damien

LiouVille wrote:

Actually all I want is this comment explained.

I have no time for people who selectively edit and erase their comments. Revisionism and obfuscation are not admirable qualities.

rsynnott

Sangre wrote:

Just because you don't agree doesn't make a reason any less valid.

The 'reasons' you've given need backing up; on their own, none provide clear grounds for hating gay people, and only the religious one provides clear grounds for denigrating gay people.

Boston

Actually sod this, back to the party political line.

All women are wonderful and like your mother. They never play guys, they never use sex a weapon, and are purely angelic. Dublin women are especially nice. The growing trend of stuck up, manipulative birds is a work of the media, never see them myself.

All Gay men are saints, the scene is full of people looking for loving relationships.The culture is diverse and full of substance, and is in no way image centred. while the Gay community is one of the most excepting, non-judgemental, and welcoming one I've ever known.

Those feminists are true freedom fighters, and really work for equality of the sexes, if by equality you mean proportional discrimination. Us men really shouldn't ever question them, after all we've allot to be ashamed off.

rsynnott

Quite right

Sangre

rsynnott wrote:

The 'reasons' you've given need backing up; on their own, none provide clear grounds for hating gay people, and only the religious one provides clear grounds for denigrating gay people.

Who said hate?

I couldn't be bothered backing them up, their not my views

Shabadu

KdjaC wrote:

Are you not prejudging all straight guys? Or are you subtly agreeing with your topic ?


Kdjac

Jaysis Kdjac, was it not fairly obvious that I was talking about straight guys who shouted things at my friends? I'm sorry that you inferred I meant all straight guys. Also, this is not 'my topic' it was split off from another thread, and happened to be split on my post.

the_syco

What I find amusing now, is that some guys find gay guys repulsive, but don't care if its gay women. The same for some ladies: they don't care about the gay lads, bu don't like the gay ladies.

And I know gay ladies are called lesbians, but its funny... its almost as if half the population don't consider the gay ladies a "threat", but the gay lads are.

Stark

Also, this is not 'my topic' it was split off from another thread, and happened to be split on my post.

Yeah, you win a prize for that.

Shabadu

Hooray! A fabulous hat would be nice, please.

hazimel

the_syco wrote:

its almost as if half the population don't consider the gay ladies a "threat", but the gay lads are.

Urgh, I know what you mean. That really annoys me. I think lesbianism is far more socially acceptable than male homosexuality. Though I think most lesbians would agree that while it's cool to be more accepted socially, they'd probably be quite upset at the fact that the only reason they are being accepted as such is probably because hetero men like the idea of women having sex with one another. It's not exactly a big win for liberalism.