Today I saw a classic and took a pic thread!

okistag

junkyard wrote: »

If it's as good as it looks with mileage under 100,000 it's worth around 3500 to 4000. I was offered an absolute minter three weeks ago in the UK with only 28k miles from new with full history and never restored for 4k sterling. There's another one on donedeal.ie asking 3500, more like 2000-2500 will buy it. Nice cars though but probably the heaviest on fuel i've ever had.

WOW i just googled them and found another in Dublin just look at the price !!!! I know asking is very different to getting but all the same :eek:



http://www.dermotwallacemotors.com/index2.html

and this is not a coupe but is a 3.5 v8
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C87047/
and this is similer

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C86235/

pm me the one you know of, if your not thinking of it for yourself, always fancy one at the right money !! I dont know what mate is looking for his but I know it ant going cheap and he is no hurry to sell.

TRNIALL

junkyard wrote: »

If it's as good as it looks with mileage under 100,000 it's worth around 3500 to 4000. I was offered an absolute minter three weeks ago in the UK with only 28k miles from new with full history and never restored for 4k sterling. There's another one on donedeal.ie asking 3500, more like 2000-2500 will buy it. Nice cars though but probably the heaviest on fuel i've ever had.

I know times are bad and prices are dropping but you will not buy a car like the one thats in the pictures above for anything like 3500 to 4000.I have seen and had the pleasure to drive this car, it is a fantastic car and needs no work whatsoever.

junkyard

That may well be so in your view but I go to classic car auctions in the UK and France on a monthly basis and the prices i'm giving are the true prices. There are plenty of cars out there for sale at realistic prices. Some dealers (not your friend by the way) put crazy prices on some cars and think they'll make a huge profit. All you have to do in most cases is look at the Irish classic car magazines and you'll see this kind of thing on a regular basis. I've seen cars advertised for seven or eight thousand euros that were bought for two or three thousand sterling, I know this because I was at the auction. I have no problems with making a profit if you can or at least covering your costs but putting unrealistic prices or expecting someone else to pay a 20k restoration cost for a car that at best is worth maybe 10k is unrealistic in my eyes.

junkyard

Just taking a quick look at the prices in Dermot Wallace motors there I really don't know where he's getting his prices from, you can see his stock list on carzone.ie for anyone who's interested, a Rover P5B coupe for nearly 20k euros?? An 1986 XJ6 Jag for 20k euros?? I don't know, maybe i'm missing something but I don't think so.

TRNIALL

junkyard wrote: »

That may well be so in your view but I go to classic car auctions in the UK and France on a monthly basis and the prices i'm giving are the true prices. There are plenty of cars out there for sale at realistic prices. Some dealers (not your friend by the way) put crazy prices on some cars and think they'll make a huge profit. All you have to do in most cases is look at the Irish classic car magazines and you'll see this kind of thing on a regular basis. I've seen cars advertised for seven or eight thousand euros that were bought for two or three thousand sterling, I know this because I was at the auction. I have no problems with making a profit if you can or at least covering your costs but putting unrealistic prices or expecting someone else to pay a 20k restoration cost for a car that at best is worth maybe 10k is unrealistic in my eyes.

Some dealers[not your friend by the way] The chap that is selling the car that is pictured above is not a dealer nor has ever been one and yes he is a friend of mine, Dermot Wallace is a dealer but im not talking about his car.

okistag

TRNIALL wrote: »

Some dealers[not your friend by the way] The chap that is selling the car that is pictured above is not a dealer nor has ever been one and yes he is a friend of mine, Dermot Wallace is a dealer but im not talking about his car.

I agree, about some dealers making a mad mad profit and just greed to be honest.
Dermot Wallace Cars always has top class cars, I have to say and I personally would buy and have bought from him in the past.

His prices are high but very cheap for the standard of condition his cars are in.
Dermot pays big money to get the best cars in stock and therefore for him to make a living his margin must go on, but again I refer to what I am going to say below.

e.g
A car I bought off him was say 5k over the odds of a standard car, I could have bought in the UK, but it was half the price of restoring another to the same level as the one I bought, so to me it was a bargain.

I have restored a number of cars over the years to a high standard and landed up putting 3 to 4 times the value of the car into it and over a few years even more.

I personally dont intended to sell on any of cars so to me it really wouldnt be an issue but for those who just want to drive the summer months and sell on well thats a different case.

At the minute I am doing a restoration on a Irish MGB GT and I can tell you one thing, what is going into it, you would think is mad, well I do anyway!!

And yes I could buy GT FOR WAY WAY WAY less, but if this MG did not have the history behind it and knowing the cost of the restoration and wanted a GT, I would be willing to pay half of restoration cost for a minter, as I would be saving alot more in the long run. Maybe even buy 3 or 4 Uk classic's with the change.

This is only my personal point of view after spending alot of money on restoration projects. So in short a well restored mint car, I feel is well worth half its restoration cost and depending on the car even more.

Another example:

I paid 11500 for a car that so many of the same vehicle could be bought in UK for 3 - 5k. I went over and look at them and all I could see is me putting another couple of grand in to it, and a good while of the road, by the time i get it home and did those things to it, to my liking plus the bits and bobs that always come up, sure I will be near to a restoration cost again.

This car was mint and a show car in every sense of the word, and had bills and receipts for 28000 grand to me it was a bargain at 11500k.

Also I would say Dermot Wallace is a pleasure to deal with and his back up service warranty are 2nd to none. Well worth the price difference.

That Rover P5 B coupe that my friend is selling is one magic car and I am sure it is priced at a realistic price for what it is. He is not a dealer but an enthusiast for many many years, and a hands on fellow whose cars in are top class condition. He knows what it is worth and I sure the right person is out there who wants one will see it as value. I DO NOT KNOW WHAT HE WANTS FOR IT BUT HE IS NOT OUT TO MAKE A PROFIT ON ANYONE THIS I KNOW. If you knew him and seen his rare TR you would understand.

But hey guys thats me and everyone one is the same well life would be boring dont you think!!


ps i am not defending the dealers nor any others who ask mad prices for a car with a fresh coat of paint on it, some cars i have viewed are 3 grand yokes but they are asking 12k, these people should be shot.
One year at citywest a fellow was telling me about his Stag which he had for sale and i thought of it as a donor car to honest at maybe 2k and when he opened the bonnett it had a straight 6 in it. I no long had an interest, he was telling me how rare etc and the motor is original etc etc. that car was restored and i wont see a better one. it was rotten so much filler and even started to show signs rust around the filler but you still smell the paint and he wanted nearly 9 grand for it!!! I should have taken out to the car park and shown him my Stag lol and asked him 150k at that rate, some people are just off the wall!!!!

carchaeologist

That is a gorgeous car jack.

Johnboy Mac

okistag wrote: »

e.g
A car............ say 5k over the odds of a standard car, I could have bought in the UK, but it was half the price of restoring another to the same level as the one I bought, so to me it was a bargain.

You are totally correct.

The problem seems to me people really don't have a clue about the value of classics, they see them as cheap or good value or far too expensive without doing some research on the particular car or finding out the exactly what refurbishment work was carried out etc.

To get a usable P5B, XJ6, 635CSI, 280SE etc in first class condition will cost more that the value of the car generally speaking in the short term anyway. Any first class overhaul/refurbishment will be big money, the cars mentioned above could very easily soak up £20k.

So all has to be kept in perspective. The best classic buy is a car that has undergone a full rebuild at somebody elses expense, that's why there is cars advertised with asking prices three times more for a particular car than another one advertised on the same page.

The motto never changes ''Buy the very best you can afford''.

Esel

carchaeologist wrote: »

That is a gorgeous car jack.

Can't see any jack in that photo?

TRNIALL

esel wrote: »

Can't see any jack in that photo?

Maybe thats a Jack with his hands in his pockets.:):D:)

carchaeologist

esel wrote: »

Can't see any jack in that photo?

lol!!:p Sorry heres one..

junkyard

WHAT? Somebodys stealing a car!!!!!:eek:..................:pac:

okistag

esel wrote: »

Can't see any jack in that photo?

well if you look at the front grill, right side you do see a reflection of that jack:D and if you look close enough you will see me in the picture but where

okistag

okistag wrote: »

A very good friend of mine is selling this beauty, she is a Rover P5 Coupe 3.5 V8 and is as good as the pictures suggest. Private pm me if you want contact details. He was over at my house and gave her a clean up.
I dont have one of engine bay, but as good as the rest of the car.

AND HERE IS A FULL SIDE WITH ALL DOORS OPEN

Hermy

carchaeologist wrote: »

That is a gorgeous car jack.

Indeed it is! Abso-feckin-lutely gorgeous!
One of the nicest pics on this thread I've come across.

L-M

Hermy wrote: »

Indeed it is! Abso-feckin-lutely gorgeous!
One of the nicest pics on this thread I've come across.

+1

Fantastic looking car, won't hang around long. Any idea on price?

tc20

I saw Jay28's 260Z on saturday, near the Beehive on the N11, passing me in the opposite direction

That car looks mean, almost like a stealth car :cool:

milod

This VW is for sale, located in Tyrconnel Park, Dublin 8.

It's a bit rusty though - would need a brave restorer....

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walter sobchak

milod wrote: »

This VW is for sale, located in Tyrconnel Park, Dublin 8.

It's a bit rusty though - would need a brave restorer....

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Given the colour, it would need a brave driver too - Stephen Ireland maybe :pac:

milod

walter sobchak wrote: »

Given the colour, it would need a brave driver too - Stephen Ireland maybe :pac:

deffo the ideal motor for a chap who's overfond of the hairdresser's, and drops his shorts too easily...

carchaeologist

milod wrote: »

This VW is for sale, located in Tyrconnel Park, Dublin 8.

It's a bit rusty though - would need a brave restorer....

What type/make of wheels are they?

dutchcat

think they are an EMPI copy,you lookin for some for your beetle?

carchaeologist

dutchcat wrote: »

think they are an EMPI copy,you lookin for some for your beetle?

No,well not at the moment,i was just wondering what they were,as the wheels on this bangered granada are very similar.

L1011

milod wrote: »

deffo the ideal motor for a chap who's overfond of the hairdresser's, and drops his shorts too easily...

If you're implying a gay man there, there's none in this country with a style vacuum large enough to drive a matt hot pink VW...

okistag

On my way home last night or could of Monday, I saw this E Type on the M50
sORRY CAMERA ON PHONE ANT THAT GREAT.
.

Hermy

Ye were only discussing 2002's in another thread when one appears in South William Street. Sorry about the poor pic - I was rushing.

okistag

One of our members arrived in this lovely Beetle

Kevin_Herron

Nice car that E-Type.

Love the Webasto sunroof. Hate the white wall tyres!

Abelloid

carchaeologist wrote: »

What type/make of wheels are they?

I think they were called interceptors, 14" chromed steels.

They were available for the beetle too but you don't see them very often.

bugsntinas

okistag wrote: »

One of our members arrived in this lovely Beetle

lurv the bug:eek:

Hermy

I've not seen one of these before - a 1979 Lancia Gamma according to Cartell - pictured in Dorset Street this evening.

junkyard

Hermy wrote: »

I've not seen one of these before - a 1979 Lancia Gamma according to Cartell - pictured in Dorset Street this evening.

More like an Isopon Gamma, more filler and fibreglass than metal, I remember one of them near me before and you could see the rust outline of the car on the ground after it left, it's where the expression "Rust bucket" came from.:pac:

245

Only a true enthusiast would seek one out though - the owner knows what he wants I reckon. I always liked Lancias of that era (probably because I didn't own one!)

Hermy

Strange looking car - the front is typical Alfa, Fiat, Lancia but the rear is very angular in a very un-Italian way - more like something from the far east or Oz me thinks.

245

The Fiat 130 was quite angular as were various Alfas (like the Alfetta) - but I know what you mean - its got a slightly Proton thing going on at the back (probably means that the Koreans were late to that particular '70s party)

nmacc

That Gamma is a coupé and a bit rarer than the normal ......

Actually I can't remember the correct term for the regular model; it looks like a hatchback, but it has a boot with a clever double hinge that allows it to open up to such a level that you can get stuff into the boot without smacking your head on the lid every time.

They were a very nice car to drive and had the usual Lancia refinement (no, not the red powdery stuff) of a dash-mounted oil level gauge that worked on a little pump. Press the button and it sniffed up a little oil from the sump. How much it sniffed depended on the oil level.

Another interesting feature was an enormous number of relays. There were lots of electrical goodies including town and country settings for the air horns, but almost everything was relay-driven. It had the most elaborate wiring diagram I've ever seen of any car from the 70's.

Now there's a clever idea for an Italian car:D

junkyard

I remember being in Bray co. Wicklow many years ago and seeing a few Fiat 130s parked around a hotel there, don't remember the name i'm afraid, does anybody remember them? Also in Dunlaoire there were a couple of Rolls Royce Silver Clouds parked on the side of a street there, looked abandoned, does anyone remember these?

Lauder

I assume this would be quite rare: an Original Irish Citroen DS

Reg was something like 3xx USI (A Dublin Car so), apologies for the poor photo.

jozi

Pink convertible beetle earlier in town

Hermy

245 wrote: »

The Fiat 130 was quite angular as were various Alfas (like the Alfetta) - but I know what you mean - its got a slightly Proton thing going on at the back (probably means that the Koreans were late to that particular '70s party)

The Proton was exactly what I had in mind or the Mitsubishi it copied, or even that two door Subaru with the same lines.

Wishbone Ash

I was in the US East Coast a few days ago but classics seem to be a lot rarer than in the West Coast. This was the best I could do.

galwaytt

nmacc wrote: »

That Gamma is a coupé and a bit rarer than the normal ......

Actually I can't remember the correct term for the regular model; it looks like a hatchback, but it has a boot with a clever double hinge that allows it to open up to such a level that you can get stuff into the boot without smacking your head on the lid every time.

They were a very nice car to drive and had the usual Lancia refinement (no, not the red powdery stuff) of a dash-mounted oil level gauge that worked on a little pump. Press the button and it sniffed up a little oil from the sump. How much it sniffed depended on the oil level.

Another interesting feature was an enormous number of relays. There were lots of electrical goodies including town and country settings for the air horns, but almost everything was relay-driven. It had the most elaborate wiring diagram I've ever seen of any car from the 70's.

Now there's a clever idea for an Italian car:D

You're forgetting the single biggest novelty - flat four 2500cc - and related oil pump drive failure........single belt used to run, everything , including PAS off the cambelts. Put it on full lock, and you risked breaking the timing belt ! Genius !! :rolleyes:

Yep, where I worked in the UK we rebuilt an awful lot of them...!...including a mod, with a new pulley and belt to drive the PAS independant of the cams. At least that way if the PAS acted up, it didn't take the whole engine with it!

Very comfy in a big, squishy, lazy, loadsatorque kinda way.....quite popular in Germany, and they used to come to the UK for repairs......

Hermy

galwaytt wrote: »

At least that way if the PAS acted up, it didn't take the whole engine with it!

redabbey

I meant to post these before now. I spotted this early Landrover in Boyle on Paddy's day. I would be very curious to know how old this is?

L1011

1949 according to the standard reg checker sites. Its a UK reg.

CianDon

Here's a few classics I saw around the place over the last week. The Merc was in Limerick, The Kadette and the Beemer were in Donegal town and the Mini was in Strabane. I also saw an Austin 1100 on ZV plates but wasn't able to get a pic.

Stephen

Loadsa photos from Durrow today

For example:

Cañitas

I am over in Buenos Aires for a few months and they seems to be a ton of old fiats and renaults used as everyday cars.

I will walk around and take some snaps but here is one i got on my street..

niceirishfella

Blimey, look at that olde yoke..........rat or wha!
Re; Durrow show - looks well, great day for it.

jozi

Here's a few from earlier today at the ALMC Rally and Performance Car Show:

Old Fiat 500 with the new one behind it




Don't know if it's real or a kit car:

Touched by Lotus...

Nice Golf in the car park:

Love these M1's (is it irish?)

I got taken for a quick spin in this at the end of the day:


There were a few Lancia Delta's at the show:

One of my favourite cars (ever), BMW M3 (few of them at the show also):

Replica Metro:



My only non car show spot of the day:

Has an "on tow" piece of paper on the back of it, seen it in Drumcondra.

More photo's in the album here: http://s235.photobucket.com/albums/ee296/Bren_Jozi/ALMC%20Rally%20and%20Performance%20Car%20Show%20April%2019/