Process to Leaving Catholica Church

Dades

Misty Moon wrote:

Must find out what the parish priest's name is in the parish I grew up in. The last one ran away with his housekeeper a few years ago.

The first chap might still be a good man to talk to about how leaving the church works.

MOGSA

Please forgive a newbie picking up on the confusion and the length of this diatribe:

1) We are all children of God (Jehovah) but He gave us the choice - it is your choice to act like one or not
2) We are spiritual beings in human form (ask the satanists)
3) Most of you are confused about 'god'. There is Jehovah and there is the god of this world - Satan. He has spawned many gods (demons and demon-filled humans) to deceive you. Satan runs this physical world and his goal is to own your soul (so far about 99% and counting as the end of days approaches).
4) If you elect not to be a child of Jehovah then you belong to Satan.
5) A child's soul is given to parents to protect and nurture –parents do not own a child. Many parents do not even understand the basics while some even commit their children's souls to Satan.
6) By 'baptising' or 'christening' a child the parent is merely committing them to Jehovah until they reach the age of spiritual responsibility (Jewish bar mitzvah or Christian confirmation). Children are thus protected spiritually by Jehovah until this age.
When this doesn’t happen then there are real world examples of children burning their parents and houses in satanic fire. Firemen are at a loss to explain the source of the exceptionally high temperatures reached in the burning debris!
7) Upon reaching the age of spiritual responsibility that child is then free to elect to choose - Satan or Jehovah. You are spiritually or legally bound to your parent’s custodianship until the relevant ages so there is no ways that anything was done without your consent – get real!
8) Satan is the default owner of your soul after reaching this age as most parents do not even understand that you need to provide the environment for your children’s spiritual sanctification or how to do spiritual covering for their families. You are entitled to own your soul and commit to either party (there are no in-betweens!) at this point - just thank Jehovah that He is a forgiving being – I could tell you hair-raising stories and always have to thank Him.
9) Relationships with Jehovah are personal – one2one with Him. No amount of forcing or coercion can make someone accept something that is not understood or where the environment is inconsistent with encouraging a natural relationship with your heavenly Father. Be grateful if you are chosen!
10) This is why people turn to rebellious (anti-Jehovah) practices because :
• It’s anti-establishment – traditional churches etc and the parents do not/cannot provide answers
• Satanists attain unbelievable powers compared to the ordinary Joe Soap in the street.
Unfortunately the ‘innocent’ practices turn into human sacrifice (that happens in almost every suburb, almost every month in every country). Research ‘bride of Satan’ sometime (without the word ‘costume’) – maybe you will reach the T-junction into the Hell you don’t believe in sooner!

11) Now to the main points leading to banning me from this site:

 99% of the prophecies of the Old Testament as revealed (funny enough, under Revelations) have come about already as shown by :

o when the Babylonian witchcraft center moved to Rome

o Daniel's prophecies through to the revelation of John have been shown to be accurate (got another two hours to take you through the proof?)
 Most of the ‘traditional’ churches have been infiltrated by satanists (of all kinds) and continue to disappoint and deceive congregations, leaving the youth looking and never receiving honest and tangible answers to their spiritual needs
 There are more than 1300 ‘Christian’ denominations or churches, each claiming that they have the answer. Only a few are properly ‘word-based’ and do have the answers.
 The Roman Catholic Church never was and will never be a ‘Christian’ church by any stretch of the imagination – think Revelations. But do not get confused between the good children of God who believe that they have the right foundation as Catholics and the church – Satan is an accomplished deceiver.
 Does the Pope have the ‘keys’ to heaven displayed on his mitre? Do people call him ‘Holy Father’ when only Jehovah can rightfully be called this?
 Only Jehovah can forgive your sins – why are you confessing to a man, a priest, a ‘father’? Jesus said ‘call no one your father, except your father in heaven’ or words to that effect.
 Do the Bishops of your church wear the headgear of the ‘priests of Dagon’ (large, real fish heads that are now emulated by mitres - once worn by satanic priests in Babylon etc) ? Then run ……. Think Anglican, Catholic etc!

So this thread is a dead-end? The RCC can never own your soul – you do after the age of consent and you can make the choice for either party! There was no marriage, so there cannot be a divorce.

I guess I have crossed quite a few threads but this became essential! C U in the other threads real soon!
Now I can look forward to the cut and thrust of some robust debate!

Hagar

That's some first post. Throw in a set of steak knives and we have a deal.

Cantab.

MOGSA wrote:

Please forgive a newbie picking up on the confusion and the length of this diatribe:

1) We are all children of God (Jehovah) but He gave us the choice - it is your choice to act like one or not
2) We are spiritual beings in human form (ask the satanists)
3) Most of you are confused about 'god'. There is Jehovah and there is the god of this world - Satan. He has spawned many gods (demons and demon-filled humans) to deceive you. Satan runs this physical world and his goal is to own your soul (so far about 99% and counting as the end of days approaches).
4) If you elect not to be a child of Jehovah then you belong to Satan.
5) A child's soul is given to parents to protect and nurture –parents do not own a child. Many parents do not even understand the basics while some even commit their children's souls to Satan.
6) By 'baptising' or 'christening' a child the parent is merely committing them to Jehovah until they reach the age of spiritual responsibility (Jewish bar mitzvah or Christian confirmation). Children are thus protected spiritually by Jehovah until this age.
When this doesn’t happen then there are real world examples of children burning their parents and houses in satanic fire. Firemen are at a loss to explain the source of the exceptionally high temperatures reached in the burning debris!
7) Upon reaching the age of spiritual responsibility that child is then free to elect to choose - Satan or Jehovah. You are spiritually or legally bound to your parent’s custodianship until the relevant ages so there is no ways that anything was done without your consent – get real!
8) Satan is the default owner of your soul after reaching this age as most parents do not even understand that you need to provide the environment for your children’s spiritual sanctification or how to do spiritual covering for their families. You are entitled to own your soul and commit to either party (there are no in-betweens!) at this point - just thank Jehovah that He is a forgiving being – I could tell you hair-raising stories and always have to thank Him.
9) Relationships with Jehovah are personal – one2one with Him. No amount of forcing or coercion can make someone accept something that is not understood or where the environment is inconsistent with encouraging a natural relationship with your heavenly Father. Be grateful if you are chosen!
10) This is why people turn to rebellious (anti-Jehovah) practices because :
• It’s anti-establishment – traditional churches etc and the parents do not/cannot provide answers
• Satanists attain unbelievable powers compared to the ordinary Joe Soap in the street.
Unfortunately the ‘innocent’ practices turn into human sacrifice (that happens in almost every suburb, almost every month in every country). Research ‘bride of Satan’ sometime (without the word ‘costume’) – maybe you will reach the T-junction into the Hell you don’t believe in sooner!

11) Now to the main points leading to banning me from this site:

 99% of the prophecies of the Old Testament as revealed (funny enough, under Revelations) have come about already as shown by :

o when the Babylonian witchcraft center moved to Rome

o Daniel's prophecies through to the revelation of John have been shown to be accurate (got another two hours to take you through the proof?)
 Most of the ‘traditional’ churches have been infiltrated by satanists (of all kinds) and continue to disappoint and deceive congregations, leaving the youth looking and never receiving honest and tangible answers to their spiritual needs
 There are more than 1300 ‘Christian’ denominations or churches, each claiming that they have the answer. Only a few are properly ‘word-based’ and do have the answers.
 The Roman Catholic Church never was and will never be a ‘Christian’ church by any stretch of the imagination – think Revelations. But do not get confused between the good children of God who believe that they have the right foundation as Catholics and the church – Satan is an accomplished deceiver.
 Does the Pope have the ‘keys’ to heaven displayed on his mitre? Do people call him ‘Holy Father’ when only Jehovah can rightfully be called this?
 Only Jehovah can forgive your sins – why are you confessing to a man, a priest, a ‘father’? Jesus said ‘call no one your father, except your father in heaven’ or words to that effect.
 Do the Bishops of your church wear the headgear of the ‘priests of Dagon’ (large, real fish heads that are now emulated by mitres - once worn by satanic priests in Babylon etc) ? Then run ……. Think Anglican, Catholic etc!

So this thread is a dead-end? The RCC can never own your soul – you do after the age of consent and you can make the choice for either party! There was no marriage, so there cannot be a divorce.

I guess I have crossed quite a few threads but this became essential! C U in the other threads real soon!
Now I can look forward to the cut and thrust of some robust debate!

See you in hell so.

(From Heaven)

DublinWriter

MOGSA wrote:

Please forgive a newbie picking up on the confusion and the length of this diatribe:

So basically, believe in the All Loving God or he will cast you into the pits of hell to burn and suffer for all eternity?

Oh, please. I lost one family member to the Jehovah's witnesses. We can't even send her kids birthday or Christmas presents because of her beliefs.

This post was about the OP discussing the mechanics of leaving the Catholic Church and not an oppertunist occasion for you to bang the recruiting drum for a destructive cult that I'd put on a par with the Moonies and/or Falun Gong.

BrianCalgary

It is quite a first post MOGSA, but it doesn't help in answering the question regarding leaving the Catholic Church.

Feel free to start new threads so we may discuss your various points maybe one at a time.

Asiaprod

MOGSA wrote:

Now to the main points leading to banning me from this site.

You do not need banning, you definitely need help though. There are elements of more religions in what you have written than I can count, not to mention the Satanism aspect. It may amuse you to hear that Satan is not considered by all to be the bad Satan depicted in Christianity. Are you a Jehovah Whiteness? If yes, is this what all Jehovah Witnesses believe? If you are not, then please tell us what you are, I am at a loss as to what to call you and I think this is needed as a reference point if you are to have the cut and thrust of robust debate you desire. But then again, you did state that "So this thread is a dead-end?"
Damn, now I am beginning to become as confused as you.

MOGSA

When you throw a rock into a cave, all manner of gritters emerge - some nice, some unusual, some venomous .......

Yes it was a long first post but I needed to throw the rock to see what emerges.

Positioning statement
I am a 'word-based' Christian living under Grace, not legalism. I am writing a book about 'the evidence of your own eyes' after many years of trying to disprove bible facts.
Almost everyone is a nice person and very welcome to their choices in life. I have to say that I would be a poor person if I failed to learn something from each and everyone of you. I am using this forum to understand better some of the issues confronting people like yourselves from a broad spectrum of humanity and environments. Yes! .... my statements are designed to be contentious - what else lurks in the cave?

Did I answer the issue of leaving the RCC?
Well .... I tried to show proper background and that if the RCC has no authority over you, even spiritually, then there was no wedding and therefore need for divorce!

To: Cantab
I wont be seeing anyone in hell - so I rebuke and bind your curse as I can under the authority of my Lord. Play the ball, not the person - isnt this the rule?

To : DublinWriter
If your destination is far and you fail (or dont want to ...) to catch the train/bus/bicycle/etc - how will you get there by the time needed?
You know the consequences - it's your choice.


Secondly, if you are not going to read my post properly, why respond? I categorically state that the relationship between you and Jehovah (one of my God's +17 names) is strictly personal between the two of you so how can this be a recruiting drive and for which entity?


BTW I dont consider JWs to be proper Christian based either (why +1300 churches? etc). If they dont want your presents that demonstrate your love and respect, then this is despicable in anyone's terms and not Christian!
Yes, Sunday is not the Sabbath and I dont believe in Christmas either - but everybody gets contacted and shown that they are loved at this time.

To Asiaprod
As a genuine sign of respect for your posts, I must state that I am going to enjoy your observations.

I am neither confused nor ignorant - this was a reference to the various responses to the thread. Also please reread the post re 'elements of more religions' - its clear-cut. As for needing help .... lets see future posts!

Thank you all for your responses so far - like Noah, I await the deluge still to come! I will definitely make my posts more granular and probably start new threads, in future.

turbot

Leaving the catholic church is an interesting one.

I predict, for the following, I'm going to get flamed by lots of angry catholics ;-)

To me, there are a few aspects of leaving the catholic church worth considering::

1) Formally redefining yourself, based upon societies classifications, as something other than catholic. I don't know what official means there are to renouncing your faith and validating this renouncement. (I'd love to hear what happens when you try. Please let me know!)

2) Extracting yourself from the catholic mindset often entailing guilt, supression, lack of connection with yourself, subjugation of your power...
Another way of saying this, is deprogramming their cult style mind control techniques. Another way of saying this is mitigating or healing the psychological trauma used by the catholic church to control people.

For example:
- Consider the idea of a sinner. Are people sinners, or do they only believe they are sinners because they were taught so, by the information channels from the catholic church?

- Consider the idea of the Garden of Eden. It's this all a big metaphor about compliance, not thinking for yourself, and doing what you are told?

- Whats the difference between what God tells you to do, and what the catholic church tells you god tells you to do?

There is no one better to help you understand how to do this, than reading the ideas of Robert Anton Wilson. I've found his books, especially "Prometheus Rising", "Ishtar Rising" and the Cosmic Trigger Series phenomenally liberating in this way.

I also enjoyed other books, such as "Conversations with God" books and found them to be enlightening.

While I haven't read it, I understand books by the Church of the SubGenius are useful in this way also.

3) Disconnecting from their spiritual infrastructure. This one is tricky because it's so pervasive.

Two techniques I find to be phenomenally healing in a spiritually wholesome, much purer than the catholic church is:

- Agni Hotra

http://www.agnihotra.net/

I also find, as an angle on being alive, the works of Esther Hicks "Ask and it is given" is really liberating also.

4) Finding a way of understanding catholicism that enables you to exist in society and take practical action to dismantle their and undo their hold over the population:

Reading "Spiral Dynamics" by Don Beck gave me an understanding that sociologically, the catholic church, at some level may have fulfilled a function.

I also have resolved my understanding that within the church, there are many decent people who for a variety of reasons, use the metaphors of catholicism to think about spirituality. I think this is because they never were exposed to better ideas. Often these people are much more wholesome than the people in charge. You can save these people by helping them learn to think for themselves.

I think the institution, is fundamentally corrupt in the most insideous way.

5) I think it would be cool for you to send them a letter and ask for a refund, for acrued donations.

And to any the catholics who find this thread offensive, if you are so emotionally constricted that you can't think outside of your own box enough to learn from, as opposed to become angry about, people with different ideas than you, maybe you should ask yourself if you are unduly egotistical with your faith? And if so, what that implies about the nature of your faith?

Also, if you do write a letter to the catholic church, as a means to formally renouncing your faith, it would be especially funny if you waited until the 6th of june 2006, so you can date it, 6-06-06

And if anyone reacts with fear to these numbers, ask yourself, is this something geniunely scary, *or* have you been taught to be afraid (of NUMBERS) by what you've been taught within the church?