Stupid Scenes!!!

OY

So i thought that i would start a thread about stupid scenes in movies.

I am watching Stargate at the moment and am pretty annoyed at the fact that about an hour into the movie James Spader is speaking fluent alienish.
Now i know that he is an Egyptologist and that the language is close to what he studied but still, when he arrives and does not understand a thing that the natives say and then he has a moment with his love interest and all of a sudden he is speaking a full conversation with the enemy a few scenes later.
Argh! That is so stupid.

Another example is Independence day when the USA shares with the rest of the world how to take the spaceships down. And then there is a scene in Africa where a tribe is dancing and waving their spears in the air. I hate that scene!

So what are your moments when you cringe?

And i acknowledge that both examples are Roland Emmerich movies!

Rcuomo

the most recent example i can think of is in ep. 3...
spoiler - when darth vader wakes up in his new get up and asks palpatine about padme, he tells vader that he killed her in anger, and then there's the 'noooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!' with fists in the air...

terrible, terrible scene...

what about that scene in spiderman in which the goblin is about to kill spidey under brooklyn bridge and new yorkers come together to help and start throwing things at the gob - 'you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us!' cheesey as hell...why didnt the goblin just fire a missile into the bridge where they were? now that would've been good.
and yea i know it was meant to show strength or whatever after 9/11. but it was just done really badly

Rhyme

Everytime someone said 'younglings' in EP3 i cringed...

...and that Darth Vader one is true, doesnt fit at all.

OY wrote:

Another example is Independence day when the USA shares with the rest of the world how to take the spaceships down. And then there is a scene in Africa where a tribe is dancing and waving their spears in the air. I hate that scene!

that didnt bother me in the slightest... just got a feeling that everybody was in on the party

acri

The Day After Tomorrow - "Tell her how you REALLY feel".

That was....god, I cringed. Crap film, but it was the last one to really make me wretch.

monkeyfudge

Rcuomo wrote:

what about that scene in spiderman in which the goblin is about to kill spidey under brooklyn bridge and new yorkers come together to help and start throwing things at the gob - 'you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us!' cheesey as hell...why didnt the goblin just fire a missile into the bridge where they were? now that would've been good.
and yea i know it was meant to show strength or whatever after 9/11. but it was just done really badly

Yep. At least in Spider-man 2 Doc Ock put the New Yorker's in there place when they tried to defend Spider-man on the train.

Retr0gamer

the heidi/sound of music scene in star wars eps 2 with padme and anakin rolling around in the fields. Barf!

monkeyfudge

This is quickly turning into a stupid scenes in Star Wars films thread...

But in Empire Strikes back I could never get how Darth Vader was at Bespin before Han Solo and the others.

Darth Vader found out they where there from Boba Fett... But how did Bobba Fett follow them to Bespin, report back to Vader, and then Vader gets to arrive before Han Solo and have time to organise things with Lando?

Isn't the Millenium Falcon one of the fastest ships in the Galaxy? Did it get trapped in some sort of time bubble? Or am I just missing something?

Rhyme

Retr0gamer wrote:

the heidi/sound of music scene in star wars eps 2 with padme and anakin rolling around in the fields. Barf!

At least he got pounded by that giant assed beast...

...and on the point of Star wars, a lot of young Anakins scenes in EP1 were totally fruitless and Jar Jar himself to that point

acri

...and the entire dialogue during the first 10 mins of Revenge Of The Sith was a bit, well, gag-worthy. Somethin about how they say "master". Oh, and the scene when Merry and the lads find Frodo in bed and Gandalf laughing his head off in the background at the end of Return Of The King had me reaching for the bucket. AND when the Predator helps the woman in Alien Versus Predator. ****in' hell! And at the end when the Predator marks her face with acid-blood. BLEURGH!

Citizen_Erased

Anakin in Ep1 makes me sh1t blood out my eyes, it is borderlining on completely unbearable - its like a school nativity play.

madrab

Citizen_Erased wrote:

Anakin in Ep1 makes me sh1t blood out my eyes, it is borderlining on completely unbearable - its like a school nativity play.

my thats graphic

yeah 90% of the Episodes 1, 2 & 3 are utter cack

but the worst is the american movies where they all band together, ala spiderman and the brooklin bridge scene

Crucifix

monkeyfudge wrote:

But in Empire Strikes back I could never get how Darth Vader was at Bespin before Han Solo and the others.

But it's worth for the bizarre image of Vader just sitting at the head of a formal dinner table waiting for them.

bonzai bob

Any scene in which Jean Claud Van Damme shouts 'Nooooooo!!!'

ixoy

When they realise in 'Signs' what kills the aliens. Of all the most stupid daft Achilles heel for the aliens to have and yet they still go to a planet covered 70% with water? Stupid Shaymalan.

acri

I liked signs (loved Mel Gibson in it), but man, an intelligent alien race that have unlocked the secret to space travel unable to opperate a flippin doorknob!?

Crucifix

ixoy wrote:

When they realise in 'Signs' what kills the aliens. Of all the most stupid daft Achilles heel for the aliens to have and yet they still go to a planet covered 70% with water? Stupid Shaymalan.

That ticked me off too. I mean the atmosphere is full of it. What do you do if they come at you? Breathe on them.

Sangre

Should I say the next line in that Maddox article?

acri

Sangre wrote:

Should I say the next line in that Maddox article?

What a guy. He kinda ruined the film for me... I thought the footage of the kid's birthday was ace though.

BlitzKrieg

on empire: Millenium falcon's hyperdrive was broken hence darth vader got there first...


stupid scenes hmm

in kingdom of heaven when they have the *love* scene on comes this porn track with jamacian drums...HAHAAAA!

KdjaCL

2nd Matrix all of it but mainly the dancing scene.
Ep3 the anakin and padme looking at each other from about 300 miles away.


kdjac

OY

Wow a lot of people hate the new Star Wars movies.

Thought of another few... the thumbs up at the end of Terminator 2. Bad bad bad bad bad!

The Lost World: Jurassic Park... T-Rex in the city! :rolleyes:

Oh, and the scene when Merry and the lads find Frodo in bed and Gandalf laughing his head off in the background at the end of Return Of The King had me reaching for the bucket

Yeah that was sick AND wrong!

Fenster

Every scene in Episodes 2 and 3 between Amidala and Anakin. Lucas should be shot for some of the crap dialogue.

"Why do you love me so much!"

"Because you're so beautiful!"

Blearrrgh.

Also, Amidala doesn't seem to age a single day through the films, even though Anakin ages 20 years or so between 1 and 2.

And lastly, in Episode 3 it seems that anywhere in the Galaxy can be reached within five minutes.

Retr0gamer

The water is freezing and there aren't enough boats.

I have the greatest respect for Kate as an actress but she reached a career low in that scene.

ObeyGiant

Re: Signs
Do you really, really think that they spent the two years of the production without ever once noticing that the Earth has a lot of water? I mean, fair enough if it doesn't make sense to you, but to call the director 'stupid' for not noticing this is not only dumb, it's also quite arrogant.

It's the same with these people that are suddenly popping out and complaining about Princess Leia's "memories" of her mother - "Hey George Lucas, if Padme died during childbirth, how come Leia has memories of her? How come you didn't think of that and I did?" Durr.

film_gonzo

Aliens v's Predator: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." A classic in a film full of bad scenes

Fysh

The whole Arthur-Trillian scene at the end of H2G2. Mind you, given that they'd decided to hammer a love story onto it, at least they kept it fairly short...

Ishmael

bonzai bob wrote:

Any scene in which Jean Claud Van Damme shouts 'Nooooooo!!!'

Or the scenes where he does his mid air split kick to the opponents face and its repeated several times with him goin hyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!



Or for a completly pointless scene

Commando
Arnie strips to a pair of speedos to row into shore from the plane and then puts his uber bag of weapons on.

ixoy

ObeyGiant wrote:

Re: Signs
Do you really, really think that they spent the two years of the production without ever once noticing that the Earth has a lot of water? I mean, fair enough if it doesn't make sense to you, but to call the director 'stupid' for not noticing this is not only dumb, it's also quite arrogant

But he shows no evidence of having explained it and it's such an (apparent) blatant and bizarre example of a logic mis-step, that I think it does qualify as a stupid scene/plot hole. I'm sure you could waffle around the issue with nonsense like "their minds are alien" or somesuch, but as a plausible means of defeat, it's an appalling conceit that was designed solely to tie in with the kid's habit of leaving glasses of water dotted around the house. I'd seriously like somoene to try and tackle a reasonable defence for it.

voxpop

But he shows no evidence of having explained it and it's such an (apparent) blatant and bizarre example of a logic mis-step, that I think it does qualify as a stupid scene/plot hole. I'm sure you could waffle around the issue with nonsense like "their minds are alien" or somesuch, but as a plausible means of defeat, it's an appalling conceit that was designed solely to tie in with the kid's habit of leaving glasses of water dotted around the house. I'd seriously like somoene to try and tackle a reasonable defence for it.

its a bit tenuous - but was it not that the girl leaving the water around and Mel's wife saying swing the bat (or whatever it was exactly) when she was dying, examples of "signs" of a higher being or something. Remeber the big talk Mel Gibson and Joaquin Phoenix on the sofa about their being two types of ppl and all (one believing in someone looking out for them and the other believing in nothing) - was that not supposed to tie its together ?

monkeyfudge

Oh.. I just remembered there is that really stupid gratuitous scene in Logan's Run.

Logan and the girl have just escaped from the city through the water. And Logan quickly makes the girl strip off her clothes and then quickly put them back on again.

ObeyGiant

ixoy wrote:

But he shows no evidence of having explained it and it's such an (apparent) blatant and bizarre example of a logic mis-step, that I think it does qualify as a stupid scene/plot hole. I'm sure you could waffle around the issue with nonsense like "their minds are alien" or somesuch, but as a plausible means of defeat, it's an appalling conceit that was designed solely to tie in with the kid's habit of leaving glasses of water dotted around the house. I'd seriously like somoene to try and tackle a reasonable defence for it.

Well, it is addressed in the movie. When Shyamalan takes off from his home, he says that he's heading to the lake because as he says, and I'm paraphrasing here, "They don't seem to like water."

Why did they come to a place where they knew there was water? Well, they didn't come for the planet or its vegetation or its atmosphere, they came for us - one of the news reports from the next day tells us this. And that's fair enough - a calculated risk, a hunting party with no intention of going near water to collect what they want/need. We humans do it all the time, go into someplace potentially dangerous for us to be because we have to.

Like I said, this is all fair enough to me, and I think I understood most of this in the film at the time, and never really had a problem with any of that. If you have problems with these, that's fair enough too.. but claiming that this is an oversight on the part of the director is just silly.

But as for the water-vapour-in-the-air 'plot hole'? Jesus Christ.

ObeyGiant

Oh, and yeah - what AngryPenguin said.. the girl leaving water around the place wasn't just convenient, it was the spiritual point of the movie.

Pigman II

Stupid scenes #1

The Buster Keaton -esque droid factory scene from SW ep2 which basically consists of Anakin & Padme...

1) Entering a droid factory production floor.
2) Dodging lots of Geonosians, Mechanical-arms, vats of molten-metal & pressing-machines for a couple of minutes.
3) Successfully navigating said perils only to be caught 5 seconds later by JangoFett.

WRT to the scene , sure it's fun, humourous and well executed but it still beggars the question 'eh, what was the the point of all that?' Worse that that tho It doesn't push the story/plot along and it's so slapstick that it drags the remainder of the film down to its silly jokey level making it impossible to take stuff like the clone battle / sabrefights seriously after what has just transpired.

I think it's the kind of scene that might have worked well in an Indiana Jones film but it's just not SW imho.

TOPDAWG

CHAIN REACTION, keanu reeves escapes a nuclear explosion that levels several blocks.....on his motorbike.

DANTES PEAK: if i remember correctly a boats motor gets mangled by the searing temp of the water but pierce brosnan puts a jacket round his hand and starts pushing the boat with said hand. Actully if memory serves me right there was an explosion escape scene similar to the above one in this too.

To sum up IMO people shouldnt escape explosions, if ya dont see the signs and listen to what a meteorologist/scientist/freakishly eery kid has to say then you deserve to explode!!

ixoy

Oh I got the point it was the spiritual element there, but I still find it scientifically implausible. It wasn't myself who mentioned the "water vapour" element by the way, but I think it stands somewhat.

One of the reasons it rubbed me the wrong way was, up until that point, the movie had done quite a decent job of creating an atmosphere of tension and suspense, from the admirable angle of viewing the incident from the POV of a single family. While the term "plot hole" may not be entirely accurate, I found the "plot point" so far fetched, requiring such suspension of rational disbelief, that I was immediately removed from the movie and sought to question its validity (e.g. if you're on a planet with an abundance of water, wouldn't you wear some protective clothing?) It wrecked the movie for me. Fine, Shaymalan was making a point about belief and finding answers and so forth - no problem with that - but the fact that H20 was a weakness just galled me no end because it seemed like a lazy weakness to introduce. Hell, having a pathogen present in their crops, delivered by using a new fertilizer that his daughter liked due to the fancy colours on the packing, would have been more believable....

Now don't get me started in on 'A.I'...

ObeyGiant

ixoy wrote:

It wasn't myself who mentioned the "water vapour" element by the way, but I think it stands somewhat.

Maybe if we actually breathed pure water, there'd be some question here. But we don't. Consider the aliens/water vapour issue like humans with salt - a little bit is acceptable. Too much, or in too great a concentration is poisonous and lethal.

ixoy wrote:

Fine, Shaymalan was making a point about belief and finding answers and so forth

And also a point about everything happening for a reason. No matter how twee or lame we, as an audience, think it is.

ixoy wrote:

but the fact that H20 was a weakness just galled me no end because it seemed like a lazy weakness to introduce.

Oh man, you're going to hate War of the Worlds

ixoy wrote:

Now don't get me started in on 'A.I'...

Uhoh, another movie I liked.

As I said, you're perfectly entitled to have all of these issues with the film. You can find them as implausible or far-fetched as you like. But claiming that they're plot oversights or a mistake by the director (especially when so many people have *no* issues with the same things) - that's when I start calling bullshit.

Back to the topic: Bubba Ho-Tep, when the undertakers carry the second body out of the nursing home and 'slip'. Painful to watch such a great idea getting flushed down the toilet with badly-acted, second-rate slapstick.

ixoy

ObeyGiant wrote:

Oh man, you're going to hate War of the Worlds

Assuming they stick with the original source, I find the idea of an earth bound virus being lethal far more acceptable than water. I'm figuring though that the movie will attempt to twist it and have the disease genetically engineered rather than mere happenstance thus enabling the protaganists to take a more pro-active standpoint and allow us to cheer them on (this is entirely conjecture by the way).

You can find them as implausible or far-fetched as you like. But claiming that they're plot oversights or a mistake by the director (especially when so many people have *no* issues with the same things) - that's when I start calling bull****.

Again, many people I spoke to had an issue with the water thing. Hell it was even brought up jokingly in an episode of 'Stargate'. *Shrug* I'll just call it an idea not realised fully

Now to 'A.I'...'A.I.' - hated the ending with the aliens. *Loathed* it with a visceral hatred that leaves me unable to rewatch the movie, despite enjoying the preceding 95%. Had he just left Pinocchio in the water with the blue fairy, I'd have been happy - it had a lovely sense of wistful melancholy. Again, just like in "Signs", you could argue that it's fitting because it brings Pinocchio's tale to a (somewhat) logical resolution because the blue fairy grants his wish. However, it felt horribly forced - the plot felt too Deus Ex Machina, with Pinocchio's dream coming not out of any real consequence from the preceding narrative but from an outside force that had no place in the story until now. If we really had the need for Pinocchio's story to receive the whole Gippeto's wish, then I felt it should have be done in a different way that didn't jar so much with the preceding story. I'm not alone in my hatred for this closing - many people I know speak of it with equal venom. Shame because it really spoilt this movie for me.

Retr0gamer

ixoy wrote:

Now to 'A.I'...'A.I.' - hated the ending with the aliens

But they aren't aliens. The film is a whole lot better when you realise exactly what they are and the film makes a hell of a lot more sense.

ixoy

Retr0gamer wrote:

But they aren't aliens. The film is a whole lot better when you realise exactly what they are and the film makes a hell of a lot more sense.

Oh ok - I'll bite. What are they? Evolved humans? A figment of Pinocchio's imagination? Fairies?

monkeyfudge

ixoy wrote:

Oh ok - I'll bite. What are they? Evolved humans? A figment of Pinocchio's imagination? Fairies?

I think they were supposed to be

robots built by robots that were built by humans. So they'd never met any humans and were curious about them, and Haley Joel Osment was their only connection to the human race.

garred

One of the James Bond films where in the begining an aeroplane goes off the cliff and about a minute later Brosnan jumps off the cliff, glides into the plane, and flies off in it. WTF, I know they are tongue in cheek films but that turned me off Bond. Roger Moore is your only man.

Retr0gamer

Monkeyfudge is correct and it's the whole point of the film. spielberg was rather annoyed that most of the preview audiences didn't get.

OY

Retr0gamer wrote:

Monkeyfudge is correct and it's the whole point of the film. spielberg was rather annoyed that most of the preview audiences didn't get.

I did not get it! I thought it was stupid to bring in aliens at the time. Was this fact that they were robots made by robots made by humans mentioned at all? I do not recall the dialogue between the characters.

ixoy

Indeed and regardless - does it make much of a difference? It's still the same point - they resurrected Pinocchio to try to understand humands. That was certainly obvious. Not sure how the robot element makes a difference or why Spielberg thought it'd be obvious given it's never explained (at least from what I recall a few years ago).

Zounds

KdjaC wrote:

Ep3 the anakin and padme looking at each other from about 300 miles away.

They're not looking at each other they're looking at the building they know the other one is in.

The truly terrible Anakin/Padmé scenes are:

The scene on the balcony with the completely senseless bit about wether she's beautiful because he loves her or because she loves him or some such
and
The scene where with almost no emotion what-so-ever and with very little context Padmé grabs him and does the "hold me" bit. Terrible terrible scenes. But then Star Wars dialogue has always been crap.

TOPDAWG wrote:

DANTES PEAK: if i remember correctly a boats motor gets mangled by the searing temp of the water but pierce brosnan puts a jacket round his hand and starts pushing the boat with said hand. Actully if memory serves me right there was an explosion escape scene similar to the above one in this too.

Actually it was the acid in the water that corroded the motor and sure everyone carries sulphuric acid-resistant jacket, don't they?

monkeyfudge wrote:

I think they were supposed to be

robots built by robots that were built by humans. So they'd never met any humans and were curious about them, and Haley Joel Osment was their only connection to the human race.

Is that explained at all? in anyway? I thought they were aliens when I saw it too but I don't think knowing that they were robots would have made it any better, apart from introducing a vague sense of irony.

RuggieBear

garred wrote:

One of the James Bond films where in the begining an aeroplane goes off the cliff and about a minute later Brosnan jumps off the cliff, glides into the plane, and flies off in it. WTF, I know they are tongue in cheek films but that turned me off Bond. Roger Moore is your only man.

That is quite possibly my favourite pre titles JB scene ever. Pure

Roger Moore was and always will be The Saint. The second worse James bond ever after Dalton imo too

Zapho

ObeyGiant wrote:

It's the same with these people that are suddenly popping out and complaining about Princess Leia's "memories" of her mother - "Hey George Lucas, if Padme died during childbirth, how come Leia has memories of her? How come you didn't think of that and I did?" Durr.

He did explain that. Leia was given to Senator Bail Organa and his wife to be raised (Hence Leia Organa). The woman Leia has memories of is Bails wife.

Come to think of it though, that whole thing with Padmé "losing the will to live" made me cringe!

Zounds

Zapho wrote:

He did explain that. Leia was given to Senator Bail Organa and his wife to be raised (Hence Leia Organa). The woman Leia has memories of is Bails wife.

Y'know i thought that was obvious myself and yet lotsa people are making a big deal of it

ObeyGiant

Zapho wrote:

He did explain that. Leia was given to Senator Bail Organa and his wife to be raised (Hence Leia Organa). The woman Leia has memories of is Bails wife.

Well, not really.. Luke asks Leia if she has any memories of her real mother. Leia says she just remembers feelings - sadness.

LFCFan

Retr0gamer wrote:

But they aren't aliens. The film is a whole lot better when you realise exactly what they are and the film makes a hell of a lot more sense.

I knew exactly what they were supposed to be but the film still sucked

case n basket

Retr0gamer wrote:

Monkeyfudge is correct and it's the whole point of the film. spielberg was rather annoyed that most of the preview audiences didn't get.

Really? That's amazing, I can't believe someone wouldn't have picked up on that.

Robot looking things that act like robots, that live on a world where only robots could survive, and where sentient robots existed in the past... hmm