End of the road for Eircom's DQ consumer misinformation, but...

Blaster99

Blitz wrote:

Regardless if they are his comments or not Boards.ie and irelandoffline can still take the brunt of a legal matter because boards.ie have provided a space for people to give their opinions, regardless of what claims that they are his own it is the responcibility of boards.ie to deal with what has been said and take action towards it.

The legal advice I've received in the past is that all members of the forum would be liable. I can't remember the reasoning, but I think it has to do with being a member of a club and apparently a forum is a club.

I wouldn't have thought the original thing by eircomtrib was all that bad (or all that interesting but then I can't remember when I last called directory enquiries), but I think eircomtrib could achieve a lot more if he cut out the rantings, particularly on his blog site.

Solair

Is there any chance we could just delete the entire thread?

It's completely irrelevant to Ireland Offline! This is a group that's concerned with access to broadband not what eircom's up to with marketing its directory assistance service!!

eircomtribunal

Solair wrote:

No offence intended BUT:
This is WAY off topic and more to do with "lets bash eircom and/or ComReg" than Ireland Offline.
I can't see what 11 8 11 or 11 8 50 or any DQ service has to do with broadband in Ireland.

One could reasonably argue this issue has no more to do with broadband/Internet/IOFFL than for example the postcode issue.

On the other hand – looking at ComReg's handling of the DQ issue can show us a lot about how this Comreg, which is a crucial institution with regards to our Internet/Broadband situation, functions. When we can see how ComReg is demonstrably not able to deal intelligently, timely and efficiently with a simple single item issue, we have even more reasons to question ComReg's handling of the far more complex and far more crucial issue of Internet and Broadband development.

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Sponge Bob

Over time a number of broader regulatory issues have crept into this forum .

The postcode thread is a good one off , Comreg kicked that out to consultants a few weeks back ....nuff said about the vision thing there .

The porn dialler issue (band 13) and dq advertising were one package really. They showed how Comreg tolerated the wholesale creation of pseudo Premium rate services on its patch and how it refused to facilitate the control of expenditure that is your right under the USO :

a) allow the user to control expenditure owing to systemic non disclosure of tariffs contrary to the USO directive
b) how Comreg did not facilitate free opt outs from these things for the consumer, again contrary to the USO ...like you can bar premium rate 15nn numbers free from your line

which all feed into the other great USO fiasco, namely that Comreg when legally forced to introduce a requirement that all analogue copper lines support Functional Internet Access .....went ahead and defined Internet Access to be Functional at 0k

These are all inextricably linked . The common thread is that Comreg is a failed institution that lies and obfuscates while Ireland as a whole is reduced to international economic irrelevance by its decrepit and overpriced telecommunications infrastructure . Thanks for nothing lads.

Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes ???
Who Watches the Watchmen ???

vinnyfitz

My suggestion Peter:
1. you delete the entire thread or else ask the mods to do so.
2. you then post a new thread for the record setting out in a non personal, and hence less controversial way, the error on comreg's part and the policy issues it raises.

cgarvey

Just to be clear to those who have suggested it, the thread won't be deleted, or moved. Portions of some posts may yet be edited, but not deleted. It's not grossly off topic for this forum, as others have pointed out. Posts within this thread are off topic, and I may split them out later, if the thread doesn't die.

Peter is welcome to edit his posts, if he wishes, and has done already. If anyone wants to edit anything they've said, and can't (because of the time elapsed limit), PM me.

.cg

dahamsta

cgarvey wrote:

Right Adam, I'll accept that, and take back my "Adam, I see nothing in Blitz' posts to warrant such insults.". It wasn't clear to me (and at least 1 other person).. presumably because the preceeding poster got slapped and the content removed. I'm sure you're not all that offended by anything I could say, but apologies anyway!!

Thanks cg. I'm rarely offended, usually more outraged.

Outraged from Cork

Sponge Bob

One emphathises so with poor Blitz when he sallies forth to tilt at the great Panjamdrum of the IoffL forum .

eircomtribunal

vinnyfitz wrote:

post a new thread for the record setting out in a non personal, and hence less controversial way, the error on comreg's part and the policy issues it raises.

Even on third thought I don't understand the fuss about my DQ post creating either a possibility of libel against boards or about my expression of my opinion damaging IOFFL's cause.
But I clearly see the fuss it has caused and I have no interest to create this diversion.
So in hindsight it would have been more intelligent of me to attribute my accusations to Commissioner Mike Byrne, who is responsible for this area but would not dare to eradicate all the opinions expressed by others so far.

(On a general wider note I think a discussion like the one caused by this thread is healthy and I have rather "mixed" feelings about the state of mind which has no difficulty with the notion of making things unsaid, but don't want to discuss this here, nor do I want to have this understood as a personal accusation against any of the people posting here. It just does not taste right. I don't think it is the task of a discussion forum to be sanitised from the start or retrospectively like a final article or book. That's what consecutive posts are for.That's not saying that things should never be edited.)

So I very much welcome cgarvey's stance above.


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