My new(ish) BMW

KTRIC · 03-06-2005 12:10pm #1

I just won my dream car on ebaymotors.de. It's unreal the bargains you can get over there when it comes to cars. Now I just have to get it home and reg it.

http://cgi.ebay.ie/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4552514372

kdevitt · 03-06-2005 1:04pm

K-TRIC wrote:

I just won my dream car on ebaymotors.de. It's unreal the bargains you can get over there when it comes to cars. Now I just have to get it home and reg it.

http://cgi.ebay.ie/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4552514372

Says the winner is a German eBay account? Its quite cheap, and clean - but it is very high mileage and quite low spec....

bazz26 · 03-06-2005 1:36pm

Nice car.

Have you checked out what modifications have to be made to the car in order to make it legal to drive over here? I don't know the exact details but small things like adjusting the headlights, etc for driving on the right hand side of the road will have to be made. Have you checked out the VRT on it? How much more expensive is the insurance on a LHD car?

IrishRover · 03-06-2005 1:52pm

I'd be surprised if you couldn't have got a 1990 316 with 224K (edit sorry - 140k miles) or better for less money in the UK. Is there a reason you wanted a LHD though?

PowerHouseDan · 03-06-2005 2:01pm

I'd have to agree.

IrishRover wrote:

I'd be surprised if you couldn't have got a 1990 316 with 224K (edit sorry - 140k miles) or better for less money in the UK. Is there a reason you wanted a LHD though?

KTRIC · 03-06-2005 2:53pm

The winning account is my girlfreinds, she insisted on using her's. We are registering it in her mums name and address in Germany and then using it here. So tax and insurance will be very cheap.

The reason we bought that one is because it is in mint condition and I would rather a car with 140000 German motorway miles over a car from the UK with similar roads to ourselves.

Does anyone know what effect an induction kit will have on this engine ??

IrishRover · 03-06-2005 3:09pm

Yeah, fair enough so, you sound like you have reasons to want to buy in Germany. I didn't mean to be putting you down in any way at all by the way. It's just there's a lot more travel involved in bringing it back then from the UK obviously and also of course if you're going to be using it on Irish roads you'll be sitting on the wrong side. Maybe you'll be driving it on the continent some of the time though. Maybe you will leave it over there for 6 months and get around VRT. I wouldn't bother though as I reckon you'll only have to pay the minimum rate of €315 - very annoying that when you bought the car for not much more!

By the way, UK roads aren't like Irish roads. For a start, they have motorways!

stratos · 03-06-2005 11:46pm

enjoy your new motor and I wish yuu best of luck with it .

OfflerCrocGod · 04-06-2005 1:24am

Nurnberg Ring tbh.

Just to make sure it's OK.

peasant · 04-06-2005 1:50pm

K-TRIC wrote:

We are registering it in her mums name and address in Germany and then using it here. So tax and insurance will be very cheap.

So that'll be a German reg and insurance then?
And if you get stopped by customs / gardai you're just tourists, right?

You better make damn sure, that your (your girlfriend's mother's) insurance is ok with the car being taken out of the country and to be driven by someone else..

Even if that is the case, there probably is a time limit on this.

Also the German NCT needst to be taken into consideration ...no NCT ...no insurance cover.

Leaving "moral" and Irish insurance and tax issues aside ...you DO NOT want to have an accident here only to find out that mumsie's insurance won't pay up ...you could be f***** for life !!

KTRIC · 04-06-2005 3:04pm

peasant wrote:

So that'll be a German reg and insurance then?
And if you get stopped by customs / gardai you're just tourists, right?

You better make damn sure, that your (your girlfriend's mother's) insurance is ok with the car being taken out of the country and to be driven by someone else..

Even if that is the case, there probably is a time limit on this.

Also the German NCT needst to be taken into consideration ...no NCT ...no insurance cover.

Leaving "moral" and Irish insurance and tax issues aside ...you DO NOT want to have an accident here only to find out that mumsie's insurance won't pay up ...you could be f***** for life !!

We had an accident with one of her mums cars before, when to court and it wasn't an issue.

peasant · 04-06-2005 5:21pm

I take it you DO realize that you are breaking the law anyway?

KTRIC · 04-06-2005 10:13pm

peasant wrote:

I take it you DO realize that you are breaking the law anyway?

How ???? Please do explain

peasant · 04-06-2005 10:27pm

If a car is brought permanently into Ireland (i.e. other than a short trip / holiday / etc) it has to be Irish registered and VRT paid on it.

The fact that you don't actually own the car doesn't really matter. You are resident in Ireland, you use the car permanently ...therefore you have to register it here and pay VRT and road tax.

Read up about VRT and road tax on oasis and the revenue website.

Personally i don't really care ...as long as you are properly insured, should you happen to crash into my car.

Customs, on one of their more and more frequent checks might have a different view of the matter though

Seth Brundle · 04-06-2005 11:10pm

peasant wrote:

Customs, on one of their more and more frequent checks might have a different view of the matter though

AIUI these 'frequent checks' apparently now include calling to homes where a non-RoI registered car is frequently parked!

KTRIC · 04-06-2005 11:28pm

You can always count on Boards.ie for some unwanted advice :rolleyes: . I have never seen such a huge collection of experts in one place. This is just amazing.

Now wheres the number for the Guiness Book of Records ???

peasant · 04-06-2005 11:31pm

hey presto ...another smartass

Good luck with customs :rolleyes:

Guy:Incognito · 04-06-2005 11:33pm

K-TRIC wrote:

You can always count on Boards.ie for some unwanted advice :rolleyes: . I have never seen such a huge collection of experts in one place. This is just amazing.

Now wheres the number for the Guiness Book of Records ???

What were you expecting? People to encourage you to break the law?

My uncle is an insurance broker in Germany, I've looked into ways of doing something similar to this legally and its nigh on impossible.

KTRIC · 04-06-2005 11:33pm

peasant wrote:

hey presto ...another smartass

Good luck with customs :rolleyes:

They haven't been a problem for the last 4 years and I can't see them being a problem now. After you get talking to them you realise that they're a nice bunch of lads

Guy:Incognito · 04-06-2005 11:36pm

K-TRIC wrote:

They haven't been a problem for the last 4 years and I can't see them being a problem now. After you get talking to them you realise that they're a nice bunch of lads

Ho so, are you saying you came clean and told the truth and they said "aah fair enough so, on you go with your law-breaking"?

KTRIC · 04-06-2005 11:38pm

Stekelly wrote:

Ho so, are you saying you came clean and told the truth and they said "aah fair enough so, on you go with your law-breaking"?

Yep, pretty much. Explained the situation and there's nothing they can do. The words ass and covered spring to mind.

Guy:Incognito · 04-06-2005 11:40pm

So why does anybody bother paying VRT and how are the C&E hitting the Eastern Europeans with fines so?

KTRIC · 04-06-2005 11:44pm

Stekelly wrote:

So why does anybody bother paying VRT and how are the C&E hitting the Eastern Europeans with fines so?

If you read the thread you will find out why I'm not paying VRT. The registered owner of the vechicle is residing in the country it is registered and the German insurance covers anyone driving the car in any European state.

peasant · 04-06-2005 11:49pm

All new motor vehicles and vehicles brought into Ireland are subject to Vehicle Registration Tax (VRT) and must be registered with the Revenue Commissioners. (The Revenue Commissioners are responsible for the collection of taxes in Ireland on behalf of the Irish Government). Every motor vehicle in the State, (with the exception of vehicles brought in temporarily by a visitor, must be registered with the Revenue Commissioners

http://www.oasis.gov.ie/moving_country/moving_to_ireland/importing_car_into_ireland.html

KTRIC · 04-06-2005 11:54pm

The car will eventually be going back to Germany so I really can't see the reasoning behind paying VRT on it, although I have no problem paying it.

This wasn't the reason I posted originally, I was looking for advice and opinions on the car itself.

But as I said Boards.ie is great for unwanted advice. I've got loads of it here since I joined up.

Guy:Incognito · 04-06-2005 11:59pm

K-TRIC wrote:

The car will eventually be going back to Germany so I really can't see the reasoning behind paying VRT on it, although I have no problem paying it..

In fairness though, anyone could say that. I mean the general useable life of most cars that are used everyday is about 10 -15 years in an ecomemy such as ours so "eventually doesnt really cover that long a time.

peasant · 05-06-2005 12:00am

Well, here's my opinion on your car;

It's a fifteen year old bottom of the rung beemer.

It's white.

It was cheap.

Yippeee

BFD

kdevitt · 05-06-2005 12:00am

Can see where he's coming from - he's driving his mother in laws car over here, and not importing it, so won't be paying VRT...

Seems like an awful lot of hassle to me for a car worth so little - could understand it being done with a car thats going to incur a high VRT charge.

I know for a fact that there is a big clamp down at the moment on unregistered cars, know one guy who had his car taken off him, and another who was warned it'd be taken off him if VRT wasn't paid by the end of the day, so would be interested in hearing if you do have any grief.

Anyway - cars looks clean as I said earlier, don't bother with an induction kit, you'll be wasting your money on any engine modifications except for new spark plugs and fresh oil. I'd try and arrange to get a set of the BBS basketweave alloys while you're back in Germany, they'll set it off, and I'd get your rear bumper colour coded.

KTRIC · 05-06-2005 12:06am

kdevitt wrote:

Anyway - cars looks clean as I said earlier, don't bother with an induction kit, you'll be wasting your money on any engine modifications except for new spark plugs and fresh oil. I'd try and arrange to get a set of the BBS basketweave alloys while you're back in Germany, they'll set it off, and I'd get your rear bumper colour coded.

Thanks for that kdevitt

, I wasn't sure about the induction kit.

finally someone that can answer a straight question.

peasant · 05-06-2005 12:11am

talking about a straight question ...

As far as I recall the car isn't "yours" anyway

SCNR

Seth Brundle · 05-06-2005 11:40am

The tax payable on it would be about €315 - why not just register it?

STATISTICAL CODE: 40585200
MAKE: BMW
MODEL: 316
VERSION: I E30 02DR / SALOON / MANUAL / PETROL ONLY /
MILEAGE: 224000 KILOMETERS
DATE OF FIRST REGISTRATION(MM/YY): DECEMBER 1990
OPEN MARKET SELLING PRICE:
(applicable on enquiry date) €991
RATE OF TAX: 25.0%
VEHICLE REGISTRATION TAX:
(payable on enquiry date) €315

My new(ish) BMW

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