Everton miss out on Euro seeding

Chucky the tree

Everton now know that they face a tough task to qualify for the lucrative Champions League group stages after it has emerged that they will not be seeded for the third qualifying draw in Nyon, Switzerland on July 29.

The Merseysiders, back in Europe for the first time in 10 years, feared this would be the case and they are now awaiting UEFA confirmation of the fact.

But with all Europe's leagues now completed, Everton know they do not have a large enough coefficient to take a seeded place, and they would find themselves even below Millwall, who would have a better ranking because they were in the UEFA Cup last season.

Everton face the prospect of being paired with Inter Milan, Sporting Lisbon, Ajax and Monaco and there is also the possibility of a 'Battle of Britain' if they are pulled out of the hat with Scottish seeds Rangers or Celtic, if the latter get through their second qualifying round.

Formal clarification is still yet to arrive from UEFA but Everton head of communications, Ian Ross, said: "As we have not been involved in Europe for the past five seasons we hold no UEFA team ranking and therefore take the England ranking into the Champions League for seeding purposes."

"The current seeding list is worked out on the basis that teams such as Anderlecht, Locomotive Moscow, Dinamo Kiev and Celtic all progress through the second qualifying round.

"But even if that did not prove to be the case the ranking for Everton is still too low to give us a seeded place, which is an extremely unusual situation for an English team to be in."

Everton cannot be drawn against Manchester United, also in the third qualifier, because although the Old Trafford club are seeded they cannot face a team from their own country.

http://www.football365.com/news/premiership_news/story_154069.shtml


heres the seedings.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/seedcl2005.html

A Dub in Glasgo

Celtic v Shelbourne for me (assuming Shelbourne get through)

Good to see Celtic in Pot 2 should they get into the group stages

No grounds for complaint from Everton when 4th place in the EPL gets you into the last qualifying round for a team that has not played European football for 10 years!

mike65

I guess we all knew it was a wasted place. So UEFA Cup it is then.

Mike.

KdjaCL

A Dub in Glasgo wrote:

Celtic v Shelbourne for me (assuming Shelbourne get through)

And struggle to beat another part time club and then say how great you are.

Go Celtic!!!

Be fun tho watching Celtic fans boo Irish players cos they Irish and playing for an irish team again.

kdjac

Guy:Incognito

Shels - Glentoran in the 1st qual round maybe. Then Shels - Celtic in the 2nd round. Would be a nice run, without having to go to the back arse of nowhere.

PHB

United still the highest English coefficient in the CL, roffle

Only have to avoid Betis/Udinese/Everton
Although I'd obviously be confident of beating those teams, I'd rather not get them.

PiE

PHB wrote:

United still the highest English coefficient in the CL, roffle

You mean "highest coefficient of the teams in the Qualifying Rounds of the CL", right?

Harsh on Everton, gonna be tough no matter who they get drawn against.

astrofool

I don't think they can be drawn against everton

A Dub in Glasgo

MU cannot be drawn against Everton

Guy:Incognito

PiE wrote:

You mean "highest coefficient of the teams in the Qualifying Rounds of the CL", right?

Harsh on Everton, gonna be tough no matter who they get drawn against.

No, they are the highest ranked English team in the competition because Liverpool arent there.

shelsfan

Celtic v Shelbourne for me

If we get through there's a >7% chance!

WhiteWashMan

Stekelly wrote:

No, they are the highest ranked English team in the competition because Liverpool arent there.

yeah, but liverpool didnt qualify, did they, so why would they be there?

Guy:Incognito

WhiteWashMan wrote:

yeah, but liverpool didnt qualify, did they, so why would they be there?

A point was made that Utd are the top seeded english team , to which Pie came back with something anlong the lines of "surely you mean the highest rated team in the qualifiers". With me so far? Now I was simply pointing out that seeing as Liverpool are not in the competition, Utd are the highest seeded english team in the whole competition and not just in the qualifiers. If you could please point ou the part where I said Liverpool should be there, I'd appreciate it.


I just assumed I would'nt have to spoon feed it that much.

Jivin Turkey

Chelsea and Arsenal are rated higher than United.

PHB

1 Real Madrid Esp 28.481 35.902 27.115 21.723 18.104 131.326
2 Valencia Esp 33.481 18.902 27.115 29.723 14.104 123.326
3 AC Milan Ita 18.238 23.148 31.256 16.928 31.620 121.191
4 FC Barcelona Esp 24.481 27.902 31.115 16.723 17.104 117.326
5 Liverpool Eng 27.675 22.818 20.520 14.712 30.138 115.864
6 Manchester United Eng 22.675 28.818 26.520 15.712 17.138 110.864
7 Internazionale Ita 13.238 21.148 28.256 15.928 22.620 101.191
8 Bayern München Ger 33.650 27.455 6.017 10.555 19.488 97.166
9 Deportivo La Coruña Esp 24.481 21.902 19.115 21.723 9.104 96.326
10 Arsenal Eng 23.675 15.818 17.520 17.712 19.138 93.864
11 FC Porto Por 15.021 14.093 24.547 26.382 13.695 93.740
12 Juventus Ita 9.238 18.148 29.256 12.928 23.620 93.191
13 PSV Eindhoven Ned 16.007 17.355 8.035 17.787 24.960 84.144
14 Olympique Lyon Fra 16.135 12.351 10.612 18.455 23.771 81.325
15 Newcastle United Eng 4.675 3.818 15.520 24.712 27.138 75.864
16 AS Roma Ita 16.238 18.148 17.256 12.928 8.620 73.191
17 AC Parma Ita 14.238 15.148 10.256 9.928 22.620 72.191
18 Panathinaikos Gre 11.227 21.712 17.365 6.375 14.035 70.714
19 Lazio Roma Ita 17.238 9.148 23.256 7.928 11.620 69.191
20 Chelsea Eng 6.675 8.818 5.520 22.712 25.138 68.864

It appears you are wrong Jivin

PiE

Stekelly wrote:

No, they are the highest ranked English team in the competition because Liverpool arent there.

Aren't there yet :x

Guy:Incognito

Jivin Turkey wrote:

Chelsea and Arsenal are rated higher than United.

Arsenal struugle to get anywhere near the quarters. Theres no way they would be anywhere near UTD (or Liverpool for that matter )

Guy:Incognito

This didnt warrant a new thread, but does anyone know who got the extra UEFA cup spots last night? did Spurs get one?

Jivin Turkey

PHB wrote:

1 Real Madrid Esp 28.481 35.902 27.115 21.723 18.104 131.326
2 Valencia Esp 33.481 18.902 27.115 29.723 14.104 123.326
3 AC Milan Ita 18.238 23.148 31.256 16.928 31.620 121.191
4 FC Barcelona Esp 24.481 27.902 31.115 16.723 17.104 117.326
5 Liverpool Eng 27.675 22.818 20.520 14.712 30.138 115.864
6 Manchester United Eng 22.675 28.818 26.520 15.712 17.138 110.864
7 Internazionale Ita 13.238 21.148 28.256 15.928 22.620 101.191
8 Bayern München Ger 33.650 27.455 6.017 10.555 19.488 97.166
9 Deportivo La Coruña Esp 24.481 21.902 19.115 21.723 9.104 96.326
10 Arsenal Eng 23.675 15.818 17.520 17.712 19.138 93.864
11 FC Porto Por 15.021 14.093 24.547 26.382 13.695 93.740
12 Juventus Ita 9.238 18.148 29.256 12.928 23.620 93.191
13 PSV Eindhoven Ned 16.007 17.355 8.035 17.787 24.960 84.144
14 Olympique Lyon Fra 16.135 12.351 10.612 18.455 23.771 81.325
15 Newcastle United Eng 4.675 3.818 15.520 24.712 27.138 75.864
16 AS Roma Ita 16.238 18.148 17.256 12.928 8.620 73.191
17 AC Parma Ita 14.238 15.148 10.256 9.928 22.620 72.191
18 Panathinaikos Gre 11.227 21.712 17.365 6.375 14.035 70.714
19 Lazio Roma Ita 17.238 9.148 23.256 7.928 11.620 69.191
20 Chelsea Eng 6.675 8.818 5.520 22.712 25.138 68.864

It appears you are wrong Jivin

Well Ill re-phrase so, Chelsea and Arsenal are seeded higher than United.

As regards that table, how can Chelsea be so low seeing as they have got to the semis for the last two years Newcastle are even ahead of them.

Chucky the tree

its takes up the last 5 years, thats why chelsea are so low.

PHB

Seeded higher? I don't understand

Guy:Incognito

Jivin Turkey wrote:

As regards that table, how can Chelsea be so low seeing as they have got to the semis for the last two years Newcastle are even ahead of them.

Because in the pre Abramovich Chelsealand, European football was reserved for the early stages of the UEFA cup.

Chucky the tree

PHB wrote:

Seeded higher? I don't understand

i think he means the fact they finished first and second they qualify automatically but united have to still qualify.

Once/if united qualify they will be in a higher pot then chelsea and Arsenal, and will be seeded higher.

mike65

Stekelly wrote:

This didnt warrant a new thread, but does anyone know who got the extra UEFA cup spots last night? did Spurs get one?

No they just missed out. Pity for them as I suspect they'd go further then 'boro or Bolton.

Mike.

Chucky the tree

if liverpool get a CL will man city be put into the UEFA cup then?

Emmo

I hope so I think Spurs are a nice side to watch and they signed some great young players.

Specially Tom Huddlestone. I rate him highly.

I think with him and Dawson they are sorted for centre backs in the future.

Wish Liverpool had signed either.

Emmo

The Rooster

Chucky the tree wrote:

its takes up the last 5 years, thats why chelsea are so low.

But even in each of the last two years Newcastle got more points than Chelsea - which cannot possibly be right.

The table therefore must surely be wrong.

ziggy

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eirebhoy

The Rooster wrote:

But even in each of the last two years Newcastle got more points than Chelsea - which cannot possibly be right.

The table therefore must surely be wrong.

No, you get the same amount of points for a win in the Cl as you do for the UEFA cup. Newcastle 10W; 1D; 1L. Chelsea 6W; 2D, 4L.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method3/ccoef2005.html

Serbian

It's going to be tough for Everton now. They could get lucky and draw one of the weaker teams like Slavia Praha, Rosenborg BK, Club Brugge or Panathinaikos but the chances are fairly slim. It would be interesting to see Celtic / Rangers -vs- Everton.

Third_Echelon

mike65 wrote:

I guess we all knew it was a wasted place. So UEFA Cup it is then.

Mike.

:rolleyes:

Emmo

I wouldnt rule them out just yet. Everton had done amazing things just by getting there.

Would you bet hard money against them getting into the group stages?

I dont think they will but I wouldnt be confident enough to be cash money on the thing.

Good luck Everton.

Emmo