GB Team reports from the Munich World Cup

Sparks

From the ISSF World Cup now ongoing in Munich, the GB team have a chap logging reports on a daily basis. The chap filing the reports has had his laptop fail and is submitting these using an iPaq, so they're not as full as he'd originally intended, but it makes for interesting reading nonetheless:

Original Announcement of the GB Team members

Day One
Day Two
Day Three
Day Four

Ammoman

Sparks wrote:

From the ISSF World Cup now ongoing in Munich, the GB team have a chap logging reports on a daily basis. The chap filing the reports has had his laptop fail and is submitting these using an iPaq, so they're not as full as he'd originally intended, but it makes for interesting reading nonetheless:

Original Announcement of the GB Team members

Day One
Day Two
Day Three
Day Four

Sparks , would you not think that reports of how the irish team are getting on would be more appropiate on an Irish site ?

Sparks

Ammoman wrote:

Sparks , would you not think that reports of how the irish team are getting on would be more appropiate on an Irish site ?

There isn't an Irish team at the Munich World Cup Ammoman, nor at the Milan Cup next week. Think of this as a know-thine-opponent thread

Ammoman

Sparks wrote:

There isn't an Irish team at the Munich World Cup Ammoman, nor at the Milan Cup next week. Think of this as a know-thine-opponent thread

Why ?

Sparks

Why no team or why know thine enemy?

one could argue that in target shooting ones biggest enemy is oneself....

you are the only person stopping yourself shooting a perfect score....

Away Team

Sparks wrote:

There isn't an Irish team at the Munich World Cup Ammoman, nor at the Milan Cup next week. Think of this as a know-thine-opponent thread

Not much point in keeping tabs of the GB Team. It's dying out now due to after effects of the handgun ban…

… and just for a laugh, they are even going to ban the sale of airsoft pistols that some of the guys use to practice IPSC till they can go abroad to shoot real pistols.

Sparks

Away Team wrote:

Not much point in keeping tabs of the GB Team. It's dying out now due to after effects of the handgun ban…

Ha!
The .22 pistol squad is certainly running to keep from falling over, but the air pistol squad is doing just fine and the rifle and shotgun squads are still the first group we have to beat in competition. First you've got to be able to win in ISSF matches against the GB squad, then you can start going up against the Germans and then you can go up against the Chinese and Koreans.
Right now, we have people who can and have beaten the GB juniors in air rifle. But that's about it. We've noone who could put the GB seniors to the sidelines in any discipline except shotgun. And so long as we keep going up to World Cups and spending our money on that instead of building up clubs and infrastructure, we're not going to see progress - we're just going to continue to see what's been happening over the last few years, with our best shooters retiring from competition (or just getting ticked off at head office and refusing to shoot in national level competitions) and noone coming up behind them to press them on and eventually take over from them.

… and just for a laugh, they are even going to ban the sale of airsoft pistols that some of the guys use to practice IPSC till they can go abroad to shoot real pistols.

Are the airsoft pistols being covered by the replica ban as well? Yeesh...

Sparks

original_psycho wrote:

one could argue that in target shooting ones biggest enemy is oneself....
you are the only person stopping yourself shooting a perfect score....

This is very true, but not everyone masters zen and the art of target shooting
For a lot of people, a pace car is a handy thing, it gives you a goal to work towards, and gives a measure of progress towards that goal. When I started shooting air rifle competitively, for example, I'd always try to shoot on the same detail as Rhona Barry and on the firing point to right or left of her, because when you see the person beside you reeling back tens all the time, it has a psychological effect on you and you buck your game up. It won't work for everyone, you understand, but if all anyone sees is the standard of competition in Ireland, where a 570 gets you in the final, then going international can be a shock, where 585 to 590 is needed to make the finals! Which is why postal shoots can be so damn useful as well.

Away Team

Sparks wrote:

Ha!
The .22 pistol squad is certainly running to keep from falling over, but the air pistol squad is doing just fine and the rifle and shotgun squads are still the first group we have to beat in competition.


Are the airsoft pistols being covered by the replica ban as well? Yeesh...

Cartridge Pistol is going to die out within a few years, it's just too expensive to train abroad. No one is coming into the discipline now…

Yes, the airsofts are being banned and anything that looks like a gun except childrens water pistols and maybe cap guns. The mass hysteria about guns is getting insane over here.

Jimbo

Sparks

Away Team wrote:

Cartridge Pistol is going to die out within a few years, it's just too expensive to train abroad. No one is coming into the discipline now…

True. You guys still have 50m pistol with the longarms but that's pretty much the hardest .22 pistol discipline, so it's not exactly the best place to start from

Yes, the airsofts are being banned and anything that looks like a gun except childrens water pistols and maybe cap guns. The mass hysteria about guns is getting insane over here.

That really is daft. Mind you, over here even rubber suction cup dart guns are legally firearms, so I guess we can't talk yet

Away Team

Sparks wrote:

True. You guys still have 50m pistol with the longarms but that's pretty much the hardest .22 pistol discipline, so it's not exactly the best place to start from


That really is daft. Mind you, over here even rubber suction cup dart guns are legally firearms, so I guess we can't talk yet

50m .22 single shot pistols with 12 " barrels don't float my boat! Not much good for IPSC or PP1

At least you CAN get a licence for a dart gun or a 'proper' pistol… we can't get a licence for anything now, and the Police can be 'difficult' when you apply for one of those weired long arm pistols, and they cost over £1,000 :eek: You could buy a couple of decent 1911's for that sort of money.

There are still a few of us left over here who make the effort to go abroad once a year to shoot 'proper' pistols, (Switzerland for me), but after 10 years now it's getting hard to justify the expense anymore with no end in sight to the handgun ban.

Jimbo

Sparks

Away Team wrote:

they cost over £1,000 :eek: You could buy a couple of decent 1911's for that sort of money.

Yeah, but they'll outshoot the 1911s

There are still a few of us left over here who make the effort to go abroad once a year to shoot 'proper' pistols

Ooooo, them's fighting words!
Air pistols may not make such a racket or cost as much to operate, but I'll stack them up against kimbers any day of the week for accuracy.

Away Team

Sparks wrote:

Yeah, but they'll outshoot the 1911s


Ooooo, them's fighting words!
Air pistols may not make such a racket or cost as much to operate, but I'll stack them up against kimbers any day of the week for accuracy.

Nah!… If it don't recoil it's no fun…

les45

Anytime you fancy a competition Sparks at 10mts , you with your Air pistol and me with the 1911 , let me know!!!!!!

Sparks

Sounds interesting les, but because the .45 leaves a bigger hole than the .177 and the score is dependant on what ring the outside of the hole clips, we'd have to come up with a different way of scoring it. Perhaps a blank target, no scoring rings, and we measure how far the centre of the hole is from the centre of the card for the usual sixty shots?
And, of course, you'd need a decent indoor range; and we'd want to get some practise in beforehand or else ship down some of the N.Ireland lads who've been training

les45

Sounds great, 60 rnds 120 seconds

Sparks

les45 wrote:

Sounds great, 60 rnds 120 seconds

Maybe with an airsoft pistol
60 rounds, 1hr 45min.

les45

That is my point, horses for courses, I have the height of respect for the effort, time and training that ISSF shooters put in to their sport, on the other hand the PP shooters among us enjoy shooting 5 Pepper Poppers in 3.7 sec from the holster, each to his or her own !!