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Woden

quozl wrote:

(although that's useless vs shaman as they should purge it).

root, travel form out of range and innervate ftw

as a druid i win some loose some against shamans but on my way to sixty i used to get owned by them. knowing my class more now helps. i can typically out mana them and then its death for them. recently started using the bear more and currently have ac up to 8400 with a good few more bits that will help to get and out lasted them that way as well.

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DapperGent

I found changing factions left me not minding leveling up again but I only got to 45 or so in the US as Alliance. I'd say doing the endgame stuff could be irritating all over again though.

GHOST MGG

my guild on hellscream have done every boss even the world bosses azuergos,teremus etc..the only one we havent killed is ragnaros yet,but were getting there.we hav 38 lvl 60s in our guild and growing,oh and as for pvp im a knight lieutenant:-)

Horsefumbler

quozl wrote:

That's not how druids win. They keep beating on your while they heal themselves. Then if their mana gets a bit low they go bear form and beat on you some more while their mana regens. A shamans melee dmg against the huge AC of dire bear form is not that impressive. If their health goes a bit low in bear form they use frenzied regeneration. Then when their mana is maxed again they go back to caster and heal themselves. And so on, and so on till you die of old bloody age. They also have NS if they need an instant heal and the godly innervate (although that's useless vs shaman as they should purge it).

A shaman's nukes are ineffecient, fighting a druid they have to spend that mana healing themselves as the druids heals are hugely more effecient than a shamans nukes. They also don't have the burst dmg they'd need to drop a druid from medium health to dead before they can heal themselves.

So basically, a druid doesn't out-nuke or-out melee a shaman. He out-lasts him. And should do so pretty easily. Not that I think druids need nerfing either, I just think they're currently one of the best pvp class.

The problem is the shamans 1.5 sec cast healing move and the chain healing that can be done with it. The fact that the druid doesn't really excell in either casting or melee attack is exposed by the shaman because if you don't cause the damage fast they'll just heal themselves out of trouble. as the shaman can hit for some serious amounts of damage in melee combat Bear form is essential for up close combat and although the AC of Dire bear form is good most druids, unless they are feral druids, will have armour with intellect/spirit bonuses and not strength/agility so the damage they do in bear form is crap specially against mail wearing classes. And its much harder to heal yourself against a shaman as the druids healing moves are quite long casts and can easliy be countered by earthshock. If anyone outlasts the other in battle its the shaman tbh.

Mind you I don't think I've fought a shaman 1v1 since i respec'd and got natures swiftness and innervate( I kind of gave up hope), must give it a shot.

Caliden

GHOST MGG wrote:

my guild on hellscream have done every boss even the world bosses azuergos,teremus etc..the only one we havent killed is ragnaros yet,but were getting there.we hav 38 lvl 60s in our guild and growing,oh and as for pvp im a knight lieutenant:-)

my cock's bigger than yours though. gg

Ivan

Horsefumbler wrote:

Mind you I don't think I've fought a shaman 1v1 since i respec'd and got natures swiftness and innervate( I kind of gave up hope), must give it a shot.

rofl.

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Ferocity Rank 5
Improved Bash Rank 2
Sharpened Claws Rank 3
Feral Charge Rank 1
Feral Combat Total: 11

Balance Mastery
Nature's Grasp Rank 1
Improved Nature's Grasp Rank 4
Improved Entangling Roots Rank 1
Swiftshifting Rank 3
Balance Total: 9

Restoration Mastery
Improved Mark of the Wild Rank 5
Furor Rank 5
Nature's Focus Rank 5
Intensity Rank 5
Reflection Rank 5
Nature's Swiftness Rank 1
Improved Regrowth Rank 4
Innervate Rank 1
Restoration Total: 31
Total
Total Points Spent: 51
Level Required: 60


Is there any other Druid spec?
Actually some people do go for Rank 5 Improved regrowth but ultimately druids dont have much choice for their spec choices. Feral Combat is pretty useless and balance just cant compete with restoration.

With this spec in mind, I find it hard to imagine someone losing to a shaman. The trick is to stay at range using entangling roots, let him burn through his mana with earthshock and heals, then bear form, frenzied regen. Now your back at near full mana in caster form with him almost dead.

I've yet to lose a duel to a shaman.

As for gear, its true most druids use +int gear, but most decent players will have a second set with Agility & strength bonus'.

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Kegser

Memnoch, you're some tit.

Of course there's a certain amount of skill involved in large encounters and who kills them first and all the rest of it, but not a great deal.

At the end of the day, people have very specific jobs to do, and once they know what to expect and what they need to do during each encounter it all becomes routine and unexciting.

And inevitably the people who will know what to expect and what to do are the people with the most time to invest in the game. Likewise with levelling, it's all about time, and little about skill. Fair enough a Chinese GrindMastah will probably level faster than your average joe, but that doesn't really indicate anything other than the fact he's a mindless zombie with brittle bones in his fingers and wrists that won't work past the age of 23.

I believe the majority of people really couldn't care less who killed who first, because all it really indicates is a large group of people with a lot of time to play computer games.

And, in closing, I would just like to add; Memnoch, you're a spanner.

Horsefumbler

Ivan wrote:

Is there any other Druid spec? [/edit]

yes I went for subtlety in restoration and i didn't bother with improved natures grasp rank 4 either as its not really nessecary. call me a nublar if you must. hmm actually I probably will respec...

koneko

And Kegser receives a 1 week ban for personal insults.
Let that be a lesson to the rest of ye.

Caliden

well memnoch is a cock.... no question there

koneko

1 week ban for Caliden too, thinking of extending that becuase all he does is moan on here. GG indeed.

Memnoch

i've actually quit wow completely at this stage. The game just doesn't hold my interest any more, mainly due to the broken queue system in the battle grounds, since that's what I was waiting for in this game all along.

+i started my job a little over a week ago and it keeps me pretty busy. Something like 70+ hours in the first week is a big shock to the system for a former student

ANyway I had fun playing wow, might take it up again a bit casually to play with my brother over the summer, but I think my next big mmo fix will probably come from warhammer online. Mythic showed before that they could pull off large scale and small group team vs team pvp(rvr) really well in DAOC, hopefully they can pull it off again.

WoW was the best MMO i've played in many areas, but it still fell short where it really counted in it's execution of the PvP system.

Dustaz

Memnoch wrote:

Something like 70+ hours in the first week is a big shock to the system for a former student

pfft cry more n00b.

(impossible to resist that when you work 70 hr weeks regularly )