Suicide and the Summer

CaptainPeacock

I've read that suicides are more frequent in summer, the rate of which (suicide) rises steadily towards July, where it begins to fall again. I find myself thinking about suicide more often during the summer, especially when it's sunny and hot. Does anyone else find this pattern in their own lives?

Victor

I've not noticed a pattern, but I haven't thought much about my suicide recently. I decided a long time ago that suicide lets other people ("the bad people") win and that I lose.

Why are you thinking about suicide?

CaptainPeacock

I'm not sure why I think about suicide. The idea usually comes to me when I feel that I have nothing left to do; like my life is as good as over.

Larianne

CaptainPeacock wrote:

I'm not sure why I think about suicide. The idea usually comes to me when I feel that I have nothing left to do; like my life is as good as over.

Well in my own opinion, I think if you start to feel like that the best thing to do is go travel and see the world. You can get stuck in a cycle that you think that that is all to life but it ain't. It's a big world out there with plenty of things to do and see and to enrich your life with.

0utshined

Are you in School or College?

nesf

Suicidal thinking, particularily persistent thinking of that type is really something to get some professional help with in my opinion.

That said, um personally? The winter is the worst. I have intense bouts of such thinking from about November to March each year (this has gotten a lot better thanks to drugs ) but my worst periods have always been in March. It's always been a build up.

*shrugs*

The summer is usually good for me. Maybe it's because I'm less stressed then. It's not the sun since I generally feel worse in the heat and such. I like rain!!



To the people who seem to think that travelling etc can cure this. Please, stop for a second and take the time to think that these kind of thoughts can be a symptom of a much bigger issue. Running away from these issues only results in a temporary reprieve and can result in a more serious relapse.

Your first reaction should be to encourage these people to talk to a professional. This is not something that we can afford to ignore. It's a very serious problem in this country and there is a shocking level of complacency regarding this.

Telling these people to just travel to "enrich their lives" could only be given by someone who doesn't know what it's like.

I've felt the overwhelming urge to kill myself, the need to end it all, when my life was happy, enriched and going well. It's not as simple as the person having a **** life and needing a change. It really isn't.

Glipmac

Tbh, suiside is the cowards way out, if you have a problem talk to some one go out with friends get your mind off the whole problem, what you need is a change of pace get a new job, go bunji jumping, parashute jump somthing that makes you feel good... i am afraid of hights and i went bunji jumping, christ that was scary but it felt good and a fun story to tell as well

Glip

Larianne

nesf wrote:

Suicidal thinking, particularily persistent thinking of that type is really something to get some professional help with in my opinion.

That said, um personally? The winter is the worst. I have intense bouts of such thinking from about November to March each year (this has gotten a lot better thanks to drugs ) but my worst periods have always been in March. It's always been a build up.

*shrugs*

The summer is usually good for me. Maybe it's because I'm less stressed then. It's not the sun since I generally feel worse in the heat and such. I like rain!!



To the people who seem to think that travelling etc can cure this. Please, stop for a second and take the time to think that these kind of thoughts can be a symptom of a much bigger issue. Running away from these issues only results in a temporary reprieve and can result in a more serious relapse.

Your first reaction should be to encourage these people to talk to a professional. This is not something that we can afford to ignore. It's a very serious problem in this country and there is a shocking level of complacency regarding this.

Telling these people to just travel to "enrich their lives" could only be given by someone who doesn't know what it's like.

I've felt the overwhelming urge to kill myself, the need to end it all, when my life was happy, enriched and going well. It's not as simple as the person having a **** life and needing a change. It really isn't.

Well everyone's different.. I know exactly how it's like to the point of thinking about how little the amount of people would turn up to my funeral if it happened.

I got a new circle of friends, went to college, travelled and realised I am a totally deadly person and when I do get depressed feelings try to take myself away from those feelings and concentrate on the good things that are going on in my life. I didn't and still don't feel,for me, drugs is the answer. But as I said at the start everyone's different.

Dreamcatcher

CaptainPeacock wrote:

I've read that suicides are more frequent in summer, the rate of which (suicide) rises steadily towards July, where it begins to fall again. I find myself thinking about suicide more often during the summer, especially when it's sunny and hot. Does anyone else find this pattern in their own lives?

Can you post a link? Are you talking about Ireland/Europe or worldwide . .?
I would have thought that suicide was more prevalent around Christmas time / New Year (more obvious reasons).

In summer people tend to get out more, there is more daylight(good for people who would suffer SAD in winter for example).

I'll just add that I personally happen to just HATE in summer the really humid, dull days when there is not a breath of wind - it's been a bit like this of late(and it's worse in the city, and it's usually worse in August), but I would not go so far as to say that it depresses me in any way, aside from the fact that I exercise less when it's uncomfortably warm - but that merely just pisses me off a bit! Give me a cool, crisp day in November any day, rather than a humid, heavy, dull, insect-infested type of summer day!
So what is it about summer, Captain? You need to analyse this more...
Is it the weather, or is it that it reminds you of unhappy memories, is it your birthday in the summer etc.... what is it about summer?
And how is your life better in Autumn/Winter/Spring?

CaptainPeacock wrote:

I'm not sure why I think about suicide. The idea usually comes to me when I feel that I have nothing left to do; like my life is as good as over.

How old are you (if you don't mind me asking)?
You're not sure why you think about suicide? Well, only you can find that answer within yourself - pay more attention to your thought patterns. You may benefit from talking to a councellor/therapist about your life - have you considered this?

0utshined

Glipmac wrote:

Tbh, suiside is the cowards way out,

Based on your many years of research I presume?

:rolleyes:

tman

strange that the rate of suicide would be higher in the summer.

wherabouts did you read this?
which age group is this taking into consideration?
i guess 15-2x year olds might be more likely to commit suicide due to poor exam results...

but surely winter in this miserable country would be the most popular time

Glipmac

0utshined wrote:

Based on your many years of research I presume?

:rolleyes:

its called a point of view, i was actually talkin about this subjet the other night and a lot of people in the group agreed, but it was not unamous some people dissagreed with that idea.

but at the end of the day everyone is entitled to their own P.O.V and thats mine...

0utshined

Well having that as your point of view is something different and you're entitled to hold it.

I disagree with you though and think it's very insensitive. I don't see anything cowardly about it.

CaptainPeacock

The reasearch was Irish I believe, and published in the Irish Times a few months ago, along with a bar chart that showed a clear, linear rise in suicides towards the middle of summer and a symmetric decrease in the months after. I haven't got that particular copy of the paper any more.

There could be any amount of sub-conscious reasons why summer weather has this effect on me, but it's been this way since I was a child and I've never experienced something so unpleasant it would make me hate the Summer. I've had boring Summers and enjoyable Summers. What I can't stand is "good" Summer weather: The heat and the calm and the oppressive sunshine seem to expose such an emptiness.

I'd rather not bring my age or other personal particulars into it (for now at least), just to say that I think about suicide all the year but moreso in the Summer. The suicidal fixation occurs, it seems to me, as a means of separation from a distasteful and hopeless life. I value and take comfort in my ability to take my life any time I wish.

BlitzKrieg

i would have tought (from my *experiance* [see earlier topic]) that christmas would be the time most suicides would happen, as socially everyone is forced into a mould as it is the time for family yaddayaddayadda. And if you either have problems with your family or dont have one, the pain becomes much strongeras everything is geared towards it and you just cant walk away.

i mean in summer there's this possibility of (as said above) to get away and see the world, or even just other areas of ireland. This is'nt as easy at christmas time as the whole social expectant is to go home and be with family.

nesf

Glipmac wrote:

Tbh, suiside is the cowards way out, if you have a problem talk to some one go out with friends get your mind off the whole problem, what you need is a change of pace get a new job, go bunji jumping, parashute jump somthing that makes you feel good... i am afraid of hights and i went bunji jumping, christ that was scary but it felt good and a fun story to tell as well

Glip

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm like so ****ing impressed!!!!!!

You bungi jumped and you were afraid of heights!!!

Oh and trying to turn a thread on suicide into some little self praise session is such a good and clear example of the reasons why this country has such a problem with suicide.


Oh and coward's way out? Seriously. Take your POV back into the dark ages with the rest of the muppets in this country. You have no idea of what you are talking about.

I'm an open minded and tolerant individual, so I can appreciate your POV. It doesn't change the fact that it's wrong and that I'm suprised that you have the necessary 2 brains cells to rub together in order to string enough of those big and difficult words into the same sentence so that you can express it.

Like I said, tolerant. Go troll elsewhere.

No offense like

BlitzKrieg

Glipmac's wording is wrong and very inconsiderate but his advice is pretty good, if you feel life has nothing left for you. Give something to life.

I mean i know you dont want to talk about your personal life, but if you want to talk about your interests and hobbies maybe one of us might know something for you to try your hand at.

I admit i get thoughts of suicide but i dont solve it by going out drinking or running off in desperate search of meaning, i take what i am interested in (films, politics,history) and i start something with it, that could lead me of to new places or i could still be at home but it gets the zest going.



offtopic:

Nesf i find this:

I'm an open minded and tolerant individual, so I can appreciate your POV. It doesn't change the fact that it's wrong and that I'm suprised that you have the necessary 2 brains cells to rub together in order to string enough of those big and difficult words into the same sentence so that you can express it.

doesnt fit with your sig:

The problem is not that I have issues or that something is wrong.
The problem is that people expect me to be like them.

Why would I want that?

even if you cover it up with nicety's like 'no offence' or 'tolerant'



no offence

nesf

Off topic:

BlitzKrieg wrote:

offtopic:

Nesf i find this:

doesnt fit with your sig:

even if you cover it up with nicety's like 'no offence' or 'tolerant'

no offence

None taken.

When you can figure out what my sig means and represents then come talk to me. Preferably in PM because then you won't look bad for failing to score points

Oh and it wasn't a cover up, it was sarcasm.

Why is it when people don't understand something that they assume they know what it means?

Oh and as an education for you, an open mind does not mean one wants to conform. Or am I going too fast for you here?

On Topic:

Maybe I'm way out of line here, but as far as I'm concerned posting in a thread on suicide about how suicide is a coward's way out can only have negative consequences.

Ignoring the problem and branding these people cowards is so narrow minded and idiotic that it really shocks me that people continue to think like this.

Gordon

This thread is not about the discussion of whether or not suicide is the cowards way out. That kind of thread goes in humanities. nesf I know this topic is close to your heart but please at least appreciate that other people have differing opinions and don't slate them for it.

On topic: the only times I ever thought of suicide was when it was winter with drab rain and cold chills, never in the beautiful sunny warm summer. And also when I was watching Eastenders of course.

Glipmac

I would just like to apologise if i have offended anyone in what i have said but thats just how i feel i probably could have worded it better but after 12 hours of work and 3 hours of sleep i just wrote it and went with what i wrote.

Again i apologise for my statement, thank you for taking time to read this.

Glip

also in reply to nesf, i was NOT looking for prise or anything of the sort it was an example if you wish to read in to it completely wrong then go a head but if you even bother to read this i would be surprised because it sounds to me like your lookin at the negative side of things too much. i was not intending to "troll" as you eloquently (big word here i will help you it means NICELY) put it and i know that my thoughts may be in the dark ages but thats just how i am... and i am not gonna change over night!

BlitzKrieg

well then to get things back on topic:

i googled quickly and found this:

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/health/healthmain.html?in_article_id=347964&in_page_id=1774


i know its the mail...but could add more wieght to the original topic. It seems neither of us were right...its Spring...Odd.

*Page*

bi-Pollar suffer from this. Sepyember seems to be the highest death rate month due to suicide...

nesf

Eh, sorry for ranting last night. It's just this is one of those topics that gets me irrational.

*hugs everybody*

Victor

Glipmac, your comments (in posts 7 & 20) were unkind. Many people who commit suicide have had traumatic experiences, whether obvious or not.

nesf your reaction while understandable, was not acceptable.

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If **you** are feeling really bad, then please talk to someone. If this problem persists, talk to your GP or other professional.

Glipmac

i have apologised what more can i do? lets drop this whole thing about me and continue with the orignal post i shall on longer be posting in this room as i am obviously no longer wanted in here

Glip

acri

CaptainPeacock wrote:

I've read that suicides are more frequent in summer, the rate of which (suicide) rises steadily towards July, where it begins to fall again. I find myself thinking about suicide more often during the summer, especially when it's sunny and hot. Does anyone else find this pattern in their own lives?

I used to. Especially last summer. Well, the beginning of it. It was a time when I get morbidly depressed. That and Christmas. But anyway, first you've to let us know why you think about suicide. For me, it was because I saw the rest of the world "livin' it up". Y'know, making the most of their youth. I couldn't do that. But I realised that i had to make things happen for myself, just think more upbeat. Hell, even speaking louder helps. Try your best to keep yourself busy. This summer I plan to buy a massive canvas and paint something amazing. No idea what yet, but it'll keep me busy. Mabye it's the same for you.

nesf

Glipmac wrote:

i have apologised what more can i do? lets drop this whole thing about me and continue with the orignal post i shall on longer be posting in this room as i am obviously no longer wanted in here

Glip

Eh. I wouldn't go that far. One thread is not enough of a reason to leave a forum.

Dagon

Strange you should post this right now...

Today I got the news that one of my nephews good friends and very close neighbor commited suicide last night. His Mum found him hanging in the wardrobe

16 years old, good footballer (played on Saturday in a pretty big match), gets on well in school and a nice kid too from what I can remember from my nephews birthday parties. Poor nephew is terribly upset upset, as is the entire community... this really is horrible. There is a dark atmosphere in the whole town. There have been quite suicides in this small town over the past few years, and apparently this is a countrywide thing.

When I was that age I had a lot of suicidal thoughts too, and even into later years. Thankfully, I found meditation and it solved my depression issues... but sadly, not many people seem gravitate towards this kind of thing, instead opting for "professional help", which is all too often totally unhelpful, and does not appear to tackle the *root* causes of the problem, which exist deep in the subconscious.

Let's just send out our love and hopes that all depressed young people will find something positive in their lives - whatever it might be, or whatever works for them - to lead them out of the dark spiral into suicide

Glipmac

nesf wrote:

Eh. I wouldn't go that far. One thread is not enough of a reason to leave a forum.

brakeing a slight promis here what i ment was this thread not the whole place but thanks anyway

Glip :cool:

BrianD3

Personally I often feel a bit depressed in summer once June 21st passes. I have thoughts of "it's all downhill from here" and start dreading the upcoming autumn/winter, short days, dreary weather etc. OTOH I usually perk up a bit after December 21st and start looking forward to the upcoming summer

But I'd say there are other reasons which might contribute to depression in summer. Eg:

1) If you're self conscious about your apperance, summer can be a bad time. You see all the hunks/babes are walking around with next to nothing on while you swelter in your coat because you're too self conscious about how you look to take it off. Not only are you roasting, you also feel like an ugly piece of sh*t.

2) If you're lonely and don't have any friends or a bf/gf summer can be bad also. Summer is a time when most "normal" people go on their holidays and generally have fun but you end up sitting at home because you have no-one to do anything with and who the hell wants to go off on holiday all on their own? So you can feel like an unwanted, abnormal freak.

I have experienced both of these in the past but thankfully not so much in recent years.

CaptainPeacock

BrianD3 wrote:

Personally I often feel a bit depressed in summer once June 21st passes. I have thoughts of "it's all downhill from here" and start dreading the upcoming autumn/winter, short days, dreary weather etc. OTOH I usually perk up a bit after December 21st and start looking forward to the upcoming summer

But I'd say there are other reasons which might contribute to depression in summer. Eg:

1) If you're self conscious about your apperance, summer can be a bad time. You see all the hunks/babes are walking around with next to nothing on while you swelter in your coat because you're too self conscious about how you look to take it off. Not only are you roasting, you also feel like an ugly piece of sh*t.

2) If you're lonely and don't have any friends or a bf/gf summer can be bad also. Summer is a time when most "normal" people go on their holidays and generally have fun but you end up sitting at home because you have no-one to do anything with and who the hell wants to go off on holiday all on their own? So you can feel like an unwanted, abnormal freak.

I have experienced both of these in the past but thankfully not so much in recent years.

Yes. Summer brings certain expectations. It exposes your wretchedness.

acri

CaptainPeacock wrote:

Yes. Summer brings certain expectations. It exposes your wretchedness.

Ah, ye see, thats the thing. You think you're wretched, or think that other people think that you're wretched. That's not the case. And I know that in depression, no one else's opinion matters, but you gotta pull yourself outta that thought process. Just try and take your mind off it. Again, I think occupying yourself with something helps.

Magenta

BrianD3 wrote:

If you're lonely and don't have any friends or a bf/gf summer can be bad also. Summer is a time when most "normal" people go on their holidays and generally have fun but you end up sitting at home because you have no-one to do anything with and who the hell wants to go off on holiday all on their own? So you can feel like an unwanted, abnormal freak.

That's my exact situation. I only have one friend in my area, the rest are all from college and have gone home for the summer. Also, this summer and last, I spent weeks looking forward to finishing my exams and planning the lovely summer we were going to have, and all the places we were going to go, with boyfriends, only for the relationship to end either just before or just after the exams. Everyone else is all loved-up, or going out with their friends, and here's me sitting by myself.

I think it all started when I was about 12. I was on a family holiday and there were loads of couples and big groups of friends everywhere I looked, and at the time I was being bullied in school and had few friends.

WhiteWashMan

nesf wrote:

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm like so ****ing impressed!!!!!!

You bungi jumped and you were afraid of heights!!!

Oh and trying to turn a thread on suicide into some little self praise session is such a good and clear example of the reasons why this country has such a problem with suicide.


Oh and coward's way out? Seriously. Take your POV back into the dark ages with the rest of the muppets in this country. You have no idea of what you are talking about.

I'm an open minded and tolerant individual, so I can appreciate your POV. It doesn't change the fact that it's wrong and that I'm suprised that you have the necessary 2 brains cells to rub together in order to string enough of those big and difficult words into the same sentence so that you can express it.

Like I said, tolerant. Go troll elsewhere.

No offense like

you know the rules.
banned.

he is entitled to his opinion like anyone else. just becuase you have a point of view on the subject thqat happens to be close to your heart, does not mean its the point of view that everyone maust share.

as you say, tolearnt. learn it. love it. preach it back here in a week....

Nightwish

the reason I feel summer is the worst time for suicides is that people have high expectations of summer-good weather, relaxation etc and it is very rarely like that. I also agree with whoever said that seeing people with great bodies showing them off in the summer can affect those with low self esteem-i am in no way begrudging those people at all, but from personal experience, when one has low self esteem the whole world is better than you, and during the summer its just like its being rubbed in your face...
on the other hand feb-april are the worst months for me...dunno why though

Altheus

3 friends suicides last September, with varying degrees of reasoning. Although debt from the summer definitely was a hangover none of them could shake.

weemcd

acri wrote:

I used to. Especially last summer. Well, the beginning of it. It was a time when I get morbidly depressed. That and Christmas. But anyway, first you've to let us know why you think about suicide. For me, it was because I saw the rest of the world "livin' it up". Y'know, making the most of their youth. I couldn't do that. But I realised that i had to make things happen for myself, just think more upbeat. Hell, even speaking louder helps. Try your best to keep yourself busy. This summer I plan to buy a massive canvas and paint something amazing. No idea what yet, but it'll keep me busy. Mabye it's the same for you.

BINGO

Finally someone hit it on the head there. I would say that people who are at school/college live speaking to friends on a day to day basis, then at the end of June due to living far apart and all kinds of other reasons, fall out of contact.

I've felt this to a certain extent during the summer months living in the countryside and can see why the summer time is a time of depression and isolation for some people.

I'll let Green Day take this one:

Nobody likes you,
Everyone left you,
They're all out without you,
Havin' fun,
Everyone left you,
Nobody likes you,
They're all out without you,
Havin' fun,
Where'd you go?

^ I myself can certainly relate to this, even if I am completely miss-interpreting the lyrics, when I first heard them this kind of thing came to mind. This supports what acri was saying about feeling as if everyone is getting on with their lives, while you remain static.

To avoid going off on a rant, this is the one main reason I could imagine greater suicide in the summer months.

Sam Vimes

if your thinking about suicide you've got yourself into a bad cycle of thinking. to use an analogy, if i decide i dont like my mobile phone, i dont assume all mobile phones are bad, throw it out and swear off mobiles forever. i say "my mobiles crap, im off to get a new one".

theres six billion ppl out there (excluding aliens) and each one has a different life. if you dont like yours change it. change it until you've tried it six billion different ways. you're only allowed think of ending your life once you've tried every single life that its possible to have and hated them all.

and i thought it'd be more common in winter too, when ppl spend more time at home cos its cold and dark and there's nothing to do oh well, its a funny old world

Nightwish

Commander Vimes wrote:

change it until you've tried it six billion different ways. you're only allowed think of ending your life once you've tried every single life that its possible to have and hated them all.

I have to take issue with that remark. I feel its totally unfair to those who have tried to commit suicide and to those who have taken their own lives. I doubt anyone who has taken their life has tried "to live six billion ways", therefore does that imply that every single person who commited suicide had no right to, or that they were wrong to do so? If it were suggested to a person in a depressive mental state who was close to the edge to go try live "every single life possible" by a professional, they would be struck off immediately. I know from being a person who has depression that changing your way of living and attitude towards life is a step in the right direction when overcoming the illness, but that alone doesnt do it. If someone is suicidal then professional help is needed, whether it be medication or psychotherapy or both.
Every person IMO has got a right to take their own lives. Maybe their reasons for doing so may seem illogical to those left behind, however to judge all people who have committed suicide by saying they had no right to because they didnt try out every lifestyle possible is insulting to those who couldnt take life anymore, whose illness took over their lives, to those whose whole world may have collapsed around them...

sorry for the rant btw...

airetam_storm

Nightwish wrote:

I have to take issue with that remark. I feel its totally unfair to those who have tried to commit suicide and to those who have taken their own lives. I doubt anyone who has taken their life has tried "to live six billion ways", therefore does that imply that every single person who commited suicide had no right to, or that they were wrong to do so? If it were suggested to a person in a depressive mental state who was close to the edge to go try live "every single life possible" by a professional, they would be struck off immediately. I know from being a person who has depression that changing your way of living and attitude towards life is a step in the right direction when overcoming the illness, but that alone doesnt do it. If someone is suicidal then professional help is needed, whether it be medication or psychotherapy or both.
Every person IMO has got a right to take their own lives. Maybe their reasons for doing so may seem illogical to those left behind, however to judge all people who have committed suicide by saying they had no right to because they didnt try out every lifestyle possible is insulting to those who couldnt take life anymore, whose illness took over their lives, to those whose whole world may have collapsed around them...

sorry for the rant btw...

Maybe but then what about the people you leave behind? They have to live with the fact that one of their family/friends killed themselves while they could have done something/something better. No matter what reason you have there will always be someone with the same reason. Friends can be a huge help in this especially if theyre the same age because they can relate to it better than anyone else.

Nightwish

airetam_storm wrote:

Maybe but then what about the people you leave behind? They have to live with the fact that one of their family/friends killed themselves while they could have done something/something better. No matter what reason you have there will always be someone with the same reason. Friends can be a huge help in this especially if theyre the same age because they can relate to it better than anyone else.

i agree that those left behind are left with feelings of guilt and a lot of "what if" questions are asked. I have been there, but what irritated me is the comment that no1 has any right to take their life until they have tried every other type of life there is...its unfair

Dimitri

Though never genuinely suicidal i generally feel most depressed in winter from october to may i hate everyone and everything and find it incredably hard to communicate with people.

arrietty

Worst times for me are the winter. It's the short days I can't handle, the lack of light. I read in a psychology textbook that the worst 24 hours in the year for suicide is New Year's Eve.

airetam_storm wrote:

Maybe but then what about the people you leave behind? They have to live with the fact that one of their family/friends killed themselves while they could have done something/something better. No matter what reason you have there will always be someone with the same reason. Friends can be a huge help in this especially if theyre the same age because they can relate to it better than anyone else.

Thing is, suicide isn't logical. I don't want to get into a debate about this here, but... knowing what it will do to their loved ones has stopped people I know from committing suicide. It hasn't stopped others. I do not know what happens in the mind of someone before they commit suicide, as I have never quite been there. But this I know: anyone who commits or attempts or considers suicide needs compassion. Not blame.


And most importantly:
If you're suicidal (at any time of year), seek help. Talk to someone about it. Then talk to someone else. It gets said a lot. It's true. It saved my life.

bagocans

Glipmac wrote:

Tbh, suiside is the cowards way out,

You mean the wrong way out.

Dr Cox's Ego

Can me crazy but I can see suicide tablets and the like been legal 50 years from now. After a certain amount of therapy if you want to go painlessly your Dr has to suscribe you one kinda thing.

Zillah

Dr Cox's Ego wrote:

Can me crazy but I can see suicide tablets and the like been legal 50 years from now. After a certain amount of therapy if you want to go painlessly your Dr has to suscribe you one kinda thing.

Call you crazy? Sure. You madman.

Seriously though, I thinks it's unlikely. I can see euthanasia being legal eventually, but storebought pills? I doubt it. It'd be extreme case terminations peformed by a doctor most likely, and it'd be in terminal illness situation and what not.

arietty wrote:

Thing is, suicide isn't logical.

Suicide is a matter of emotion. Would you consider love logical? Or revenge?