U2 suck

Dopey

if you have a tiket for the upper cusack stand then sell it or bring a walk man.

Sound was terrible.....

airetam_storm

And this U2's fault how?

Citizen_Erased

Yeah , it was their peoples fault

airetam_storm

Tour manager, Croke Park manager....

sharkman

Ring Principle management and complain .

besty

sharkman wrote:

Ring Principle management and complain .

i doubt they will give a sh1t - money is in the bank

bucks

Dopey wrote:

if you have a tiket for the upper cusack stand then sell it or bring a walk man.

Sound was terrible.....

There is always going to be teething problems with sound on the first night of an event like this.

is_that_so

Cast your vote

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=271852

Dopey

Are you kidding me? U2 have a sound engineer that is supposed to ensure adequate sound in a concert. I'm not just talking about good sound. At a minimum you should be able to work out what the lead singer is saying when he's speaking.

Putting the blame on Croagh Park is shifting it to someone else. U2 made the decision to play there. I paid 80 Euro for my U2 ticket and I feel ripped off.

Dopey

bucks

Fact of the matter dopey is that last night was the first time that a concert of that size with almost 80,000 people in the recently finished croke park took place, it was a new experience for everyone.

Its all well and good getting a good sound during a sound check when the stadium is empty but its a totally different ball game when you have 80,000 people arriving into the venue.

I would be surprised if the sound was equally as bad tonight.

As someone already suggested, contact the promoters if you want a refund, good luck getting anything from MCD though.

hawkmoon269

Dopey wrote:

Are you kidding me? U2 have a sound engineer that is supposed to ensure adequate sound in a concert. I'm not just talking about good sound. At a minimum you should be able to work out what the lead singer is saying when he's speaking.

Putting the blame on Croagh Park is shifting it to someone else. U2 made the decision to play there. I paid 80 Euro for my U2 ticket and I feel ripped off.

Dopey

Exactly, and I speak as a long-term fan (see my user-name)

hawkmoon269

bucks wrote:

There is always going to be teething problems with sound on the first night of an event like this.

That's not good enough TBH. How many people can afford to go to 2 or 3 nights? There have been sound problems at other concerts in the tour I have heard.

I honestly would have been happier spending the night in the pub and then going home to watch my ZooTV video from Sydney 1993.

MisterAnarchy

There have been sound problems at other concerts in the tour I have heard.

Correction
There have been sound problems at All the outdoor concerts on the tour.
Its a shambles .
I have a ticket for Monday but I dont think I'll go as the show is so bad.
I actually got more enjoyment out of listening to U2 live from Twickenham on the radio that I did seeing the show .
Imagine paying 140 Euro for a seat over 1oo yds away listening to that crap sound ,as people in th UK did .
Leaves a bitter taste in the mouth.
Seems U2 can do no wrong though as the media here are in their pocket.
By the way I'm a big fan ,all the albums ,every tour since 87.
Pull up your socks Bono and give us what we want and no one gets hurt

fatherdougalmag

Sheesh. Sounds like a pretty raw deal. My other half is getting in tonight free and my bro-n-sis-in-law got into a corporate box so it'll be interesting to see how that goes. Mind you, I hear that one of the corporate boxes won't be able to see the stage. The bloke in question was overjoyed at getting the ticket until somebody pointed out the fine print. I've only been to one big gig and that was Radiohead in the RDS about 13 years ago. It was great. But I've been to see Neil Finn over the years and the Finn Brothers w/ Nick Seymour (effectively Crowded House without Paul Hester) this week in the Olympia and I'd gladly have swapped 10 U2/Croker tickets for front row at the Olympia by the accounts given here of last night's show.

robbie1876

I have a theory on this. Did anyone here go to the Ardgillan castle gigs or any Slane gig? Outdoor gigs in non-populated areas work better because you don't have to worry about upsetting the neighbours. I would imagine the Croke Park Residents Association have something in the contract for the gigs about not being too loud.

Apparantly, the sound system on tour with U2 is a 250k (250,000 watts) rig. That is way more than what is needed to fill Croke Park. The rig in Vicar street is in the order of 8000 watts I believe. They have more than enough power, they just couldn't use it.

You could blame the residents association, you could blame Croke Park management, but ultimately the blame should lie with Principal Management, or whoever made the decision to have the gigs in Croke Park. They should be playing somewhere like the Pheonix Park, or the Abbottstown stadium...

Evil Sausage

Trust me, the sound was loud enough. I live on just off O'Connell St and was able to make out all the songs last night. I could even hear the crowd singing along.

There was no way they were keeping the noise down for the neighbours!

As a matter of fact, I expect to hear them starting any minute now!!

fatherdougalmag

They should be playing somewhere like the Pheonix Park, or the Abbottstown stadium...

Or what would be cool would be a boat in the middle of Dun Laoghaire harbour.

senordingdong

I agree that there are close to no good sound engineers in this country.

Evil Sausage

Elevation sounded pretty good from 2 miles away!

senordingdong

That may be sausage, but over a distance like that, all the crap can be filtered out of the sound byt the time it reaches you.

bucks

Croke Park was definetly a bad venue for this.
The main reason for bad sound was the stadium and the positioning of the stage.

Now without having seen the PA spec im only guessing this from looking at pics and video footage.

Having located the main stack and stage at one end of the field resulted in significant losses of sound quality due to the distance the sound must travel before reaching the majority of listeners (those at the rear in the stands). Factors like humidity can significantly attenuate the higher frequencies, while thermal conditions and wind can cause sound to fade in and out, or to "swirl". Also the distance the sound has to travel can result in a delay of up to 0.5 seconds.

U2 would have picked this option as it requires less speakers, amps, cabling and all other associated costs.

As croke park is an inclosed venue it would have a lot of areas where the sound could reverberate resulting in a "messy" sound.

Did anyone notice how many delay stacks were located down the pitch and was there any pointing up into the stands?

In the end croke park to the promoters was a much easier venue to handle and the costs involved compared to an outdoor gig like slane would be much less, also it would have taken less time to set up with more financial gain.

airetam_storm

fatherdougalmag wrote:

Or what would be cool would be a boat in the middle of Dun Laoghaire harbour.

Ha you just know some fúker would park his boat right infront of them
D4 richkid#672 perhaps?

dregin

U2 should go away and die slowly in their own homes.
Not in my face.

they mattered once....

airetam_storm

dregin wrote:

U2 should go away and die slowly in their own homes.
Not in my face.

they mattered once....

No gonna go down well...

Evil Sausage

senordingdong wrote:

That may be sausage, but over a distance like that, all the crap can be filtered out of the sound byt the time it reaches you.

Ahh yeah I know, but Im just being a pr1ck here, probably gettin as good a show as those poor fellas in the canal end!

TheStrandRoads

I'm not a big fan of U2, it has to be said. But a friend of mine had a spare ticket at the last minute yesterday, so I went along. And I have to say, the show was very entertaining. Besides the music itself, the visuals were stunning, and are not likely to be reproduced (to the same scale) by any other band this decade. It must have cost a pretty penny.

It was also a great boost for Live8.

Rant over.

Funny link (remember, I'm not a fan);

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=11worst

phantom_lord

I'm tired of people saying how great u2 are, how they're the biggest/best band..BULL****. Last outdoor gig i was at was metallica and the sound there was perfect. And now heres U2 playing their home gig and can't be arsed to get the sound right. They have their heads so far stuck up their asses that they probably don't notice the sound.

fatherdougalmag

In all fairness, should the thread be re-titled to U2 Sound Engineers suck. In an organsiation like that I doubt the band are on first-name terms with the engineers responsible.

hawkmoon269

phantom_lord wrote:

Last outdoor gig i was at was metallica and the sound there was perfect.

If that's the case I agree with your other comments. I'm not in the humour for making excuses for U2 at this point. But I won't be throwing away my CD's just yet.

Sparky

Why didnt they just play in Marley park, way more space and sound wont reverb, plus i might hear it easier where i live

phantom_lord

fatherdougalmag wrote:

In all fairness, should the thread be re-titled to U2 Sound Engineers suck. In an organsiation like that I doubt the band are on first-name terms with the engineers responsible.

Well it appears that they've had the same guy for the last 20 years so would hope they do know his name...and there is what 80 guys in the crew? if your on tour with them all the time is can't be hard to know their names. And any metallica know pretty much everyone on their team....

bucks

fatherdougalmag wrote:

In all fairness, should the thread be re-titled to U2 Sound Engineers suck. In an organsiation like that I doubt the band are on first-name terms with the engineers responsible.

Of course they are first term basis with there engineer. There FOH engineer has been with them since the beginning of U2 and it is he who is responsible for the sound that the audience hears.

bucks

You just beat me to it phantom_lord..

phantom_lord

sorry man...

fatherdougalmag

bucks wrote:

Their FOH engineer has been with them since the beginning of U2 and it is he who is responsible for the sound that the audience hears.

Well out him. He's the one responsible for the many negative comments made here and on the radio waves today. What's his name? What's his company? As someone else alluded to earlier in the thread, he might be single-handedly responsible for all the ****e sound insulation in houses being built today. But then, maybe he isn't.

bucks

A quick search and you should find his name, im not naming names anyway...
But he is one of the most respected in the game and also does sound for REM.

lostexpectation

There was bit in one papers of how Gavin Friday was going to be incharge of the the ehh "feel" of the show ??? im sure the other guy was there too...

there was the two high stacks to the side and then smaller ones hung off the canopy of the cusack stand, i was on row V of that! but that there was only one in the middle and on the left, and none to the right where i was which was strange...

im not a big fan, went cos my bro bought me the ticket, went to try and see what a "stadium concert" was like, not impressed

i hate the way most outdoor concerts start so early, they should start at dusk, i mean look at the pictures above and tell me whats most impressive, the light show wasn't anything spectacular at all, i mean the huge screen thing has been done by them before, and wasn't used that much... so little props for that... the fast words at the end was good though... maybe they were purposely tone down the bling and concetrate on the songs, but i'd say there plenty of other people doing more innovative things then them these days

and your text coming up on the screen wowee not!

Mystic Fibrosis

Lads... this isnt' a concert venue you're talking about, it's a GAA pitch, it's not exactly built for gigs. You're kidding yourself if you think the sound is going to be any good in a place like Croker, especially in the stands.

eth0_

Mystic Fibrosis wrote:

Lads... this isnt' a concert venue you're talking about, it's a GAA pitch, it's not exactly built for gigs. You're kidding yourself if you think the sound is going to be any good in a place like Croker, especially in the stands.

I think everyone realises that.
But it's a **** venue for music judging by these posts. Ardgillan/Marlay/Phoenix park would have been better. The phoenix park would have been pretty amazing.

U2 and their sound engineering team should have known croke park would be **** for a rock concert and it shows how little they care about their fans.

axtradub12

Bono is a bit past his sell by date

lostexpectation

so why does one go to a stadium concert (or a concert where you behind 80,000 people?)

BeardyGit

You lot have really annoyed me as I read this thread. I'm constantly amazed that people who proudly cite their non-fan status as some sort of indemnification against retribution for begrudging comments about a gig played by a band for whom they clearly hold no flame in the first place. If I'd gone along to assess the technical competencies of the sound engineers then sure, I might have been a little unhappy with the end result - But I can sure as hell tell you I wouldn't write off the gig based solely on *their* performance. As it was, I wanted to hear U2 play, which is what I did, and I really enjoyed the homecoming. So to all you lousy, moany, whining idiots who expect more than you're entitled to in the first place - Get over yourselves, will you?

Anyone who expects a good quality of audio fidelity when attending a stadium gig will more often than not be sorely disappointed. It's the nature of the beast you idiots - Metallica sounded like s*** from the stands in the RDS last year where I was sitting with a broken leg for example - I didn't let it ruin the night for me because I'm not a pedantic idiot who expects more than I've a right to expect in such an environment. You buy a ticket for a stadium gig - Don't expect the same quality as a gig in the Olympia.

Idiots.

Gil

MisterAnarchy

Idiots.

You are the idiot.
I've been to well over 20 stadia concerts and the Vertigo Stadia concerts have all had crap sound quality.
People are not imagining it.
There have been constant complaints on this tour from all venues from FANS who have seen them in stadia over the last 20 years .
The sound is unsatisfactory .
:mad:

krattapopov

sound was grand in the pit and ive been to numerous stadia concerts

DingChavez

Sound was GREAT yesterday. u2>you

Dcully

Saturday night was brilliant,sound was class[WTF are you moaners on about?]
Great show and great performance.
The whole stadium was loving it,[cept ofcourse our resident boards moaners ]
boards.ie should be called MOANS.IE to be fooking honest ,greatest bunch of moaners ive ever come across.
AS for who ever started this thread,jesus H christ the mind boggles tbh.

U2 should go away and die slowly in their own homes.

What a totally hidious,pathetic, and downright ignorant comment.
My god thats up there with the most idiotic comments ive ever come across on moans.ie .
Dregin you sad sad pathetic little person,dear God if Dregin is an example of Irish society today what a doomed country we live in.

DingChavez

Kill him with your special mod super powers, FOR GREAT JUSTICE!

Dcully

Lol

senordingdong

Dcully wrote:

Saturday night was brilliant,sound was class[WTF are you moaners on about?]
Great show and great performance.
The whole stadium was loving it,[cept ofcourse our resident boards moaners]
boards.ie should be called MOANS.IE to be fooking honest ,greatest bunch of moaners ive ever come across.

And what the hell are you doing right now?......moaning is it?
Well done.

And ofcourse the sound would be fine on the pitch. People are complaining that the sound was terrible in the stands.

Gil_Dub wrote:

I didn't let it ruin the night for me because I'm not a pedantic idiot who expects more than I've a right to expect in such an environment.

God forbid they expect to get what they paid for. :rolleyes:
They paid to hear the band.....they got some ****y sound instead.
If a band are going to hold a gig somewhere, they should be prepared/able to make it work.

I'm not a fan myself and I didn't go but I feel sorry for all the fans that got jipped like this.

Dcully

And what the hell are you doing right now?......moaning is it?

??? What are you on about?
Im not moaning,the concert was superb as was the sound, your a strange man.

And ofcourse the sound would be fine on the pitch. People are complaining that the sound was terrible in the stands.

Again WTF are you on about,i was in the stands at the canal end,again strange man.

bzpc26

There was 4 of us in upper cusack, we paid more for "good" tickets and from all the feedback got the worst. All 4 of us had the same experience, the sound was muffled and tin-ey. We couldn't get into it, the sound was really that bad.

In terms of fault, it has to start with the sound engineers. Granted they have a challenge with the stadiums echo, but it can be resolved.

U2 in croker. No excuses, it's got to be best.