touts

tnt1

is seeling tickets above face value actually illegal in this country ?
is their legislation to cover it?

Neuro

No and no.

Welcome to the wonderful world of Free Market Economics...

Blisterman

Why is it so underground then?

Matthewthebig

According to Ticketmaster once the ticket is sold at all, then it is null and void. As opposed to England which, iirc, you can sell the ticket as long as it is for face value

Toast

Fine Gael are attempting to pass a bill making it illegal.

Atomic Pineapple

about time too, but will the gardai, whoever is responsible for enforcing, do anything with it? i mean look in the buy and sell and ya have nearly 100 offenders straight away

robinph

I think that the only tickets in the UK that it is actually illegal to sell on is for football matches. Tickets for anything else you can do whatever you like with which is why 'Saint Bob' had a bit of trouble convincing eBay to pull the Live8 ticket sales form thier site.

Gone West

Draffodx: think before posting.

Fine Gael is working on a bill to criminalise selling tickets above face value. This is not actually law yet. hence the phrase "attempting to pass a bill".

think.

Blisterman

I hope they don't.
If anything they should ban the scalper networks that have automated systems buying tickets automatically.
The small person buying a few extra tickets to pay for his shouldn't be punished.

Toast

Blisterman wrote:

I hope they don't.
If anything they should ban the scalper networks that have automated systems buying tickets automatically.
The small person buying a few extra tickets to pay for his shouldn't be punished.

Yeh laws work like that you know... they allow the small time people to break them and go after the naughty evil guys who arent you.

Please have some common sense. If everyone had the same attitude as you 25% of the people would get the tickets at face value and 75% would end up paying a third over the odds.

If you have the sort of money (probably about 240 for 4 tickets for your average concert) to invest like this for several weeks just to get people to cover your costs then you arent so poor that you cant pay for your own goddamn ticket at face value and let 3 other people do the same.

danniemcq

Blisterman wrote:

I hope they don't.
If anything they should ban the scalper networks that have automated systems buying tickets automatically.
The small person buying a few extra tickets to pay for his shouldn't be punished.

where would the small person stop though and is it not unfair on the other fans that maybe at the time couldn't afford the ticket to be charged crazy rates later on? :mad:

Ro: maaan!

Blisterman wrote:

I hope they don't.
If anything they should ban the scalper networks that have automated systems buying tickets automatically.
The small person buying a few extra tickets to pay for his shouldn't be punished.

fs Blisterman. They're all assholes. Including MCD. Covering the cost of your own ticket is just ****e. If you're not prepared to pay the ticket price then you don't deserve to go.

drdre

its not illegal yet but it should be as i heard someone paid over 1000 yoyo for a u2 ticket.thats all because of the hype ticketmaster made about the tickets being sold out so quick

Guy:Incognito

I dont see why it should be made illegal. Tickets are no different from anything else that you buy and are entitled to do with as you please. If I decide to sell a €10 note for €20 and someone buys it its ok, so why not with tickets?

Atomic Pineapple

because people deliberately go out to buy tickets for concerts that will sell out to make a profit from it, robbing true fans of there money, tickets aren't like anything else there is only a set number of them.
its not like supply and demand if there's a demand you just make more, there's only a set number and people goin to deliberatly rip off true fans is scum in my opinion.

as for attempting to pass the law i dont see too much opposition to it as touting is seen as a grey/black market type selling anyway, so it'll probably be passed.

Neuro

Stekelly wrote:

I dont see why it should be made illegal. Tickets are no different from anything else that you buy and are entitled to do with as you please. If I decide to sell a €10 note for €20 and someone buys it its ok, so why not with tickets?

People love laissez-faire economics when they are sellers in a sellers market (I just made €200,000 profit selling my house!) or buyers in a buyers market (Wahey! Dublin to Paris for €1 on Ryanair). At all other times they tend to become rampant socialists. People are so wonderfully hypocritical...

Guy:Incognito

There are plenty of people out there buying up houses in dublin to make money on, but these people are seen as great businessmen. Whereas people doing it with tickets on a much smaller scale are being called scum.

I've never bought or sold tickets for profit, I just dont see why there has to be a separation between tickets and other goods.

Toast

It boils down to opinion on morals so I can imagine that there will always be people who will not see why this is wrong. In the same way some people wouldnt see swearing at a nun inappropriate.

Yes currently what they are doing is legal and in essence the definition of capitalism. However they are preying on their fellow citizens and not adding any value to the tickets yet hiking up the price so its not surprising there is a large amount of hatred towards them.

To use your parallel buying a house and selling it on requires a lot of effort and work. Effectively the buyer has to mantain the house until such time as the market price has increased to a level they can profit on it.

Touts on the other hand generated their own market artificially by the process of buying up tickets they themselves will never use. If there were no touts the same people would be going to the gigs but paying a lot less to do so. They are a pointless uneccesary middleman the dont do any work for their money.

KdjaCL

Mate works for ticketmaster gets 10 tickets to all bg gigs and touts them made 4500 off U2 concerts, i think hes a cnut but gets away with it.


kdjac

RainyDay

drdre wrote:

thats all because of the hype ticketmaster made about the tickets being sold out so quick

Excuse me - You're not really saying that it's all because of ticketmaster hype, are you? Do you think it might have anything to do with the 250k fans who were more than mildly enthusiastic to get their hands on the tickets.

Anyway, the solution is fairly simple - no posted tickets. Just turn up at the gig with the credit card you used to purchase and you get your tickets on the spot, like the cinema ticket printing machines.

Gordon

touting may not be illegal but on boards.ie it certainly is. Don't worry, Real Life™ is usually a couple of steps behind us..