History of the names Pádraig, Pádraic, Patrick etc

nesf

It's fairly well known that Patrick and Pádraig are descended from the same latin root name Patricus (loosly translates as aristocrat iirc). They are used interchangeably by some, which is a pet bugbear of mine. They are seperate names etc. The "anglising" of Pádraig into Patrick is not wholly correct, even though that they are descended from the same root, they are from different cultures and never were the same.

Linkage: A paper on the Medieval History and origins of the names Patrick Pádraig and Patricia etc.

Gael

suimiúil

Dalta

History of names is fairly interesting allright. Names like William, Anne and Mary used as translations of Liam, Áine and Máire, but the two versions come from different roots, making it technically wrong to translate them as such. They were only translated because they sounded similar.

Capt'n Midnight

Dalta wrote:

History of names is fairly interesting allright. Names like William, Anne and Mary used as translations of Liam, Áine and Máire, but the two versions come from different roots, making it technically wrong to translate them as such. They were only translated because they sounded similar.

similar for Sean/Eoin for John

Dalta

Speaking of which, does anyone know why Eoin Pól a Dó was used for the last pope instead of Seán. Seán seems to be a lot more common.

simu

Dalta wrote:

Speaking of which, does anyone know why Eoin Pól a Dó was used for the last pope instead of Seán. Seán seems to be a lot more common.

Well, Soiscéal Eoin is the the Gospel according to John.

Gael

Eoghan(Eoin) and Seán are two different, but both perfectly valid equivalents(i.e. not borrowings) to the English name John. Eoghan is an older version which more than likely has a direct biblical basis, as John in Latin/Greek isn't pronounced with a "J" like it is in English, whereas Seán came from the Norman French Jean(which in itself came from the biblical name originally) and is a well established name here for nigh on a millenium.
They just happen to be different variations of the same name. That doesn't necessarily mean that one is better or superior. But if a person wants to nit pick over direct biblical association, Eoghan(Eoin) is more direct, hence the Gospel of John being Soiscéal Eoin, in the Irish bible.

Dalta

So, what about Soiscéal Pádraig?

simu

Dalta wrote:

So, what about Soiscéal Pádraig?

Gael

Dalta wrote:

So, what about Soiscéal Pádraig?

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