Military

klong

[originally posted in admin -> military forum]

so i think i'll get the ball rolling on the military forum.......i was in a hostel type place on the cavan/monaghan border (near Cootehill, called Tanagh) recently. a few hundred yards away from the hostel place is an old, abandoned school. it was run by the christian brothers (i think), built in the early 1960s and after they left the army took it over for basic training. my friend and i went in (though we were not allowed)and snooped around. From old newspapers and we found there we reckon the place was abandoned by the army around 1983. does anybody have any more information on this place?

LoLth

why is this in wargames? Something like travel would probably get a better response..

klong

well the suggestion from people in the admin section was to discuss military topics in the wargames area, the reason being that people interested in wargames would be interested in the military and possibly vice versa (or something like that)......anyway i wouldn't consider (no offence meant) army barracks to be a travel destination or such like.

klong

could irish soldiers have eventually fought the indonesians........?


Anzacs prepared to strike

June 24, 2001
AUSTRALIAN F-111 jets were loaded with bombs ready to attack Jakarta during the landing of United Nations troops in East Timor, a New Zealand defence expert said last night.

And warships were placed on full battle alert, according to David Dickens, director of the Centre for Strategic Studies at Victoria University, Wellington.

Dr Dickens said the Australian-led Interfet force sent to East Timor in September 1999 faced "aggressive probing" from Indonesian aircraft and submarines, and was ready to respond.

The tactics "raised questions about the intentions of the Indonesian military", he said.

"Various Interfet ships went to action stations in these incidents."

Senior Australian officers had told him F-111 fighter-bombers were loaded with bombs ready to knock out military communications installations on the outskirts of Jakarta under "worst-case planning".

Australia placed its defence forces on the highest level of readiness for the first 10 days of the operation, he said.

The Interfet force was sanctioned by the UN after Jakarta-backed militiamen went on the rampage in response to a vote by the East Timorese for independence from Indonesia.

It consisted primarily of Australian and New Zealand forces. Australian Interfet officers viewed the Indonesian fighters and submarines as a real threat on a number of fronts, Dr Dickens said.

"The bombing up of the F-111s was part of the overall raising of the whole of the Australian defence force in northern Australia to the highest levels of readiness, so that if there was any attack they would respond," he said.

"I was told by the people that were actually going to do it. It would have been proportional. A big attack would get a big response."

Dr Dickens quoted Rear Admiral Peter McHaffie, the Royal New Zealand Navy chief of staff, as confirming the frigate Canterbury "detected an unidentified submarine contact" as troops sailed to the East Timorese town of Suai.

At one stage, an Indonesian T209 submarine disappeared, sparking an intense search by Interfet aircraft and warships.

Dr Dickens said: "There was a definite concern about naval attack from the submarines and all the other things."

"But the real thing that worried them was that the submarines could have been used to slip in at night near the fleet and offload special forces who might have gone out and sunk one of the ships while it was in Dili harbour or just outside."

The 10-day military stand-off from September 20 ended when senior Australian officers confronted their Indonesian counterparts with intelligence showing them that their submarines had been detected.

A respected defence commentator in the region, Dr Dickens plans to publish an article based on his interviews with Australian and New Zealand officers in the specialist journal Contemporary Southeast Asia.

A spokesman for Australia's Defence Minister, Peter Reith, said: "We are not going to comment specifically on operational matters and on states of readiness at the time.

"The Interfet operation was conducted with the full agreement and co-operation of the Indonesian Government and the Indonesian defence forces."

Relations between Indonesia on the one side and Australia and New Zealand on the other were put under severe strain during the East Timor landings, but have since improved.

President Abdurrahman Wahid is due to become the first Indonesian leader to make a state visit to Australia in 26 years tomorrow

po0k

And with thos F-111 Ardvarks loaded with bombs they were going to carpet bomb villages...nice.
Why not use pave packs and LGBs?
Much more accurate, less expensive over all (in terms of maintenence of craft and flight time)

Draco

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by klong:
ok, ok...........wtf has happened the military part of wargames?
no posts for, oh, ages.
and plenty of people said they would "support' a military area.
where are you all now?
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You can't force people to post topics. If they want to, they will. Why aren't you posting new topics then? You can't sit back and expect other people to do all the work.

orangerooster

Hmm i think wargames is as good as place any for military heh meight even give g.w gamers some ideas!!

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nesf

If I remember correctly there were plenty of ppl wanting a seperate board, maybe they just don't know that ppl are posting about military here. Maybe a post to the admin forum or somesuch??


Plus I agree with Draco, you've got to start posting up more stuff, new topics for ppl to dicuss, if you want something to be discussed then start a topic on it, don't wait for someone else to do it.

But I'll start something new anyways

klong

ok, ok...........wtf has happened the military part of wargames?
no posts for, oh, ages.
and plenty of people said they would "support' a military area.
where are you all now?

methinks we need new topics.
what would be the best new jet trainer for the Air Corps?
what if the Navy got rid of a few ships and got a small carrier instead, filled up with ospreys.....?
etc, etc
come on, people!

klong

ok, ok. fair point there lads. only in a bad mood that day, but i'd just like to point out that i had suggested new topics in my original post.

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Magwitch

I think wargames is a pretty good place to discuss Militaria in general, the two usually overlap....or am I the only person who has punched out someone after I siad "you sunk my battleship!"?