Bull S*** Litter Fine....arrggggggg!!

Boggle

Correct me if I'm wrong but youcan't get fined in most towns for throwing cigarettes on the streets as there are no suitable bins (aka ashtrays) (you can get fined for throwing it out of your car though!)

Could you not argue the same? If there was no suitable bin and you could not safely transport the rubbish then surely you can argue that you made every effort to dispose of the rubbish and opted for the best available option...

shellby

WizZard wrote:

There's feck all bins in the Sandyford Industrial Estate tbh. I doubt you'll get off but maybe a letter to the council would help?

i agree you are better off paying the fine but then bring attention to the lack of bins in the area
are you p1ssed off by the fine or about the circumstances because there is v little you can do about the fine but you might be able to change future circumstances

Larianne

Boggle wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong but youcan't get fined in most towns for throwing cigarettes on the streets as there are no suitable bins (aka ashtrays) (you can get fined for throwing it out of your car though!)

Could you not argue the same? If there was no suitable bin and you could not safely transport the rubbish then surely you can argue that you made every effort to dispose of the rubbish and opted for the best available option...

Is that true about cigerette butts??? :eek: When I used to smoke, I carried around the butt until I found a bin! No joke!

And about not being able to carry the box around, he managed to carry his new laptop around with him!!!

Sorry there's no excuse!!

BizzyC

There's no way in hell that you'll get away with it.
You knowingly littered, so it's a fine. If you weren't able to cycle with the box, then you could have walked until you found a bin.
All you can do is call the coucil to get more bins put in.

Kingsize

i dont think the "no bins around" arguement holds sway, theres a serious lack of public toilet facilites in dublin but the gardai usually charge people with public urination & or indecent exposure if they catch 'em.
you could always lie & say that you disposed of it properly & had no idea how it ended up there though there are peobably hidden cameras near the recycling place cos youd be amazed at the shyte that gets thrown there.
Ring the litter warden or the council, explain your story & that you cannot afford to pay the fine but you might willing to pay part of the fine.
i know this has been done before but its usually in the case of multiple offence/fines (E.G somebody distributing flyers).
it might save you some cash

egan007

Cianos wrote:

As I said in my original post, I never usually litter. Except for apple butts and banana skins or whatever, and I would throw them into a bush or on the grass because they are composty. There are feck all bins in Dublin, and it seems they are seldomly serviced aswell. I dont know why they just dont install more bins? What is with the blindness to the most practical solution!? The streets are dirty...we have no bins..., sorry, could someone tell me what 2+2 equals?

But you did actually litter.

It's true there are not enough bins but leaving litter elsewhere is not an option - we need to learn that, seemingly the hard way.

There is no single solution to a litter problem there must be more bins and people must use them. Actually we really need to use less packaging and stop generating the waste...

You have not right to complain about it unless you do something about it - write to the corporation and address your concerns.

Anyway i believe more bins is just attacking the problem from the wrong end - like ASBOS...;)

If you tought about how you were going to transport a laptop which would obviously be packaged heavily if it's comming from the states they you would of realised that you needed a bigger bag or that you would have to dispose of the packaging somewhere - now you assumed you whould have a bin to do it - but still you seem to know that there are not enough bins in dublin

irlirishkev

Cianos wrote:

.. I never usually litter. Except for apple butts and banana skins or whatever, and I would throw them into a bush or on the grass because they are composty.

Composty they may be, but it still looks like shyte to see apple butts and banana skins on the ground..

Leaving boxes beside recycling units, throwing apple butts and banana skins into bushes.. I see a pattern, and it spells out 'litter'.

I appreciate you had the best of intentions, but, pay the fine and stop throwing crap on the streets.

skibum

A few years ago my car was stolen and later recovered, thats all fine and dandy, but while the little scumbags were "joyriding" they threw out over 5000 leaflet's that I had just got printed for a business that I was running at the time. I get notice from the litter boy's that if I didn't recover all the leaflets now scattered around Ballinteer I would be fined etc. I was pissed off as "I" didn't do the littering, made a few phone calls only to be told "tough ****, it's now your problem".
Spent an afternoon with my brother and a couple of mates picking the bloody things up. :mad:

GreeBo

Cianos wrote:

it was too dangerous to continue cycling with the box, as my control of the bike was seriousley effected. It is a busy enough area and I didnt want to have an accident.

reminds me of the time I had a bunch of Asbestos to remove from my roof.
Tried to bring it to the dump but it was too dangerous in the car with all the particles so I found a GAA pitch and hit it in the bushes.
To make it easier for the council to clean up I put it into some plastic bags.
I also let my dog crap all over the pitch becase I couldnt find a pooper scooper nearby.

cormie

irlirishkev wrote:

Leaving boxes beside recycling units, throwing apple butts and banana skins into bushes.. I see a pattern, and it spells out 'litter'.

The difference is one is good for the environment, it's hardly littering if you are helping the environment no matter how aesthetically unpleasing it looks to us humans. I'd consider road signs, concrete and even bins more like litter rather than an apple. Report the council for littering our natural habitat with their roads and walls :rolleyes:

The whole thing is typical, I mean the amount of effort he went through is allot more than most would. Anyway, if he kept cycling and was knocked down and had to be rushed to hospital, who would be expected to pick up the box and all the foam which would have then been scattered all over the ground? Would he have got a fine then because he left his box behind?

ADUB?

OP
Nobody is more deserving of a litter fine than you. You littered full stop end of story.
It's little Sh*tes like you saying its not littering that have the place so dirty!
Stop complaining, if you feel hard done by GOOD, and stop littering.

cormie

ADUB? wrote:

OP
Nobody is more deserving of a litter fine than you. You littered full stop end of story.
It's little Sh*tes like you saying its not littering that have the place so dirty!
Stop complaining, if you feel hard done by GOOD, and stop littering.

Ah now here. No it's not. How is nobody more deserving of a fine than him? Seriously.

What would you have done sir?

egan007

cormie wrote:

The difference is one is good for the environment, it's hardly littering if you are helping the environment no matter how aesthetically unpleasing it looks to us humans.

You could not be more wrong - littering is leaving stuff that is aesthetically unpleasing to humans - who do we keep it clean for, the cows?
Whether is't beneficial to the grass is a sidebar - the problem is that people confuse the "Environment" with the air and water etc...where is it everything
environment-

environment....
The totality of circumstances surrounding an organism or group of organisms, especially the combination of external physical conditions that affect and influence the growth, development, and survival of organisms.

cormie wrote:

I'd consider road signs, concrete and even bins more like litter rather than an apple. Report the council for littering our natural habitat with their roads and walls :rolleyes:

You seem to contradict yourself here - First you made the point that it's not litering just because it's not pleasing to the eye then you suggest these things are littering because they are not pleasing to the eye?

cormie wrote:

The whole thing is typical, I mean the amount of effort he went through is allot
more than most would.

No marks for effort - It's not a competition to see now near someone can get to a bin...

cormie wrote:

Anyway, if he kept cycling and was knocked down and had to be rushed to hospital, who would be expected to pick up the box and all the foam which would have then been scattered all over the ground? Would he have got a fine then because he left his box behind?

This is completely nonsensical and unrelated

egan007

cormie wrote:

Ah now here. No it's not. How is nobody more deserving of a fine than him? Seriously.

What would you have done sir?

egan007 wrote:

If you tought about how you were going to transport a laptop which would obviously be packaged heavily if it's comming from the states they you would of realised that you needed a bigger bag or that you would have to dispose of the packaging somewhere - now you assumed you whould have a bin to do it - but still you seem to know that there are not enough bins in dublin

.

SirLemonhead

ADUB? wrote:

OP
Nobody is more deserving of a litter fine than you. You littered full stop end of story.
It's little Sh*tes like you saying its not littering that have the place so dirty!
Stop complaining, if you feel hard done by GOOD, and stop littering.

Wow, that's fairly harsh.. So he's no worse than someone who wouldn't pick up dog crap his dog left behind when out for a walk, or someone who'd dump a bin bag full of stinking organic food waste?

Yeah, he littered, and probably hasn't any right to complain about it, but really, a cardboard box and some foam is hardly the worst thing in the world...

cormie

I really don't care if its aesthetically unpleasing as long as it's good for the environment, sure I throw all orange peels and apple cores in my back garden. They could go in the general waste bin but they are better with the soil. I think it's ridiculous that something that is good for the environment is considered litter just because it's aesthetically unpleasing. If an apple falls off an apple tree and rolls onto the pavement. Is that littering by the owner of the apple tree? How about if somebody picks up that apple, decides to take a few bites and place it down 20 feet away, is that then considered littering? Where do you draw the line?

Road signs/concrete etc are hardly good for the environment, think of all the insects killed in the laying of a road. Think of all the insects who will benefit from an apple. Big difference in the two environmentally wise.

He did say he was cycling around for ages. One would think that if they were going to pick up a package and could only fit the item contained within in their bag that they would then be able to find a bin. Yes, he said there aren't enough bins, which there aren't, but it's already been stated that there are practically no bins in Sandyford Ind. Estate. If he is unfamiliar with that area then he wouldn't know this and could assume since it's still Dublin county there will be at least one bin on his travels because yes there are bins in Dublin city, or where he may be familiar with, but just not enough.

GreeBo

MasterOfSolos wrote:

Wow, that's fairly harsh.. So he's no worse than someone who wouldn't pick up dog crap his dog left behind when out for a walk, or someone who'd dump a bin bag full of stinking organic food waste?

So if these people left their stinking dog crap in nicecardboard boxes at a recycling centre you wouldnt mind?
madness.

SirLemonhead

GreeBo wrote:

So if these people left their stinking dog crap in nicecardboard boxes at a recycling centre you wouldnt mind?
madness.

Yeah I would mind...i'm just making the point that a cardboard box alone isn't worse than what I mentioned..Combining the two just means you have a smelly dog turd in a box

GreeBo

but your point is that there are different levels of what is litter.
so where do you draw the line?
maybe Im crazy, but I call litter, litter.
Fruit falls from the trees everyday and will do so whether humans are around or not, dogs will crap on the ground likewise.
A cardboard box with styrofoam in it will never naturally make its way to the ground.

SirLemonhead

GreeBo wrote:

but your point is that there are different levels of what is litter.
so where do you draw the line?
maybe Im crazy, but I call litter, litter.
Fruit falls from the trees everyday and will do so whether humans are around or not, dogs will crap on the ground likewise.
A cardboard box with styrofoam in it will never naturally make its way to the ground.

My first post in this thread was in response to the guy who said "Nobody is more deserving of a litter fine than you"

There IS different levels of littering, and i'm just saying what he did wasn't the worst

Larianne

See this is why Irish people have it all wrong!! Throwing apples on the ground, chewing gum, cigarette butts, placing cardboard boxes neatly near a bin, it's still all littering!! They make up their own bloody rules!! :rolleyes:



"No marks for effort - It's not a competition to see now near someone can get to a bin..." ah how that made me laugh!!

GreeBo

MasterOfSolos wrote:

There IS different levels of littering, and i'm just saying what he did wasn't the worst

so should he get fined or not?
Does it matter what level of littering you do?
"Im only a plebian litter, fine him instead , he is a 4th level mage!" :rolleyes:

SirLemonhead

GreeBo wrote:

so should he get fined or not?
Does it matter what level of littering you do?
"Im only a plebian litter, fine him instead , he is a 4th level mage!" :rolleyes:

Did you read my original post?

"Yeah, he littered, and probably hasn't any right to complain about it"

eth0_

Would you not have taken a bus or taxi out to sandyford? Surely you should have copped that cycling home with a big, heavy box was going to be trick?

Pay the fine, it doesn't matter how 'neat' you littered, you still littered. You could have left the box with the guys in the sorting office in Sandyford if you'd really wanted to get rid of the extra weight.

is_that_so

I do believe that you can end up in court if you refuse to pay. My local rag is full of such cases. If you haven't made an effort to get rid of the box then no judge will let you off. It is littering I'm afraid and it is your responsiblility to get rid of your waste.

JackKelly

Unfortunately it's the law. Unfair but the law. It's stupid that the countless people throwing crap on the ground are ignored but, you, who at least tried to put it somewhere bin-like got fined.

WizZard

skibum wrote:

A few years ago my car was stolen and later recovered, thats all fine and dandy, but while the little scumbags were "joyriding" they threw out over 5000 leaflet's that I had just got printed for a business that I was running at the time. I get notice from the litter boy's that if I didn't recover all the leaflets now scattered around Ballinteer I would be fined etc. I was pissed off as "I" didn't do the littering, made a few phone calls only to be told "tough ****, it's now your problem".
Spent an afternoon with my brother and a couple of mates picking the bloody things up. :mad:

That is sickening!

copacetic

Cianos wrote:

Ok, I just got a letter from The Litter Pollution Acts people informing me I have been fined €125 for littering! What can I do!?

Heres the story;
I cycled out to Sandyford industrial estate to pick up a package (a laptop from the states). The laptop came in a box anyway, with all that foamy stuff that protects it. I had a bag with me, so I put the laptop and accessories in my bag and was left with the empty box. I was cycling around for ages seeing if there was a bin around for the empty box, which there wasnt. Then I spotted a bottle bank, with about 4 of those big plastic bottle recycling yokes. So I decided that is as close to a bin as Im going to get. So I left the box neatly beside one of the containers, and thought that was that.

Did I think of removing my name and address...no.

So, now I get this letter saying I have to pay up or face prosecution.

Can I appeal or do something to that effect? I think this is a bit extreme.

And I wouldnt mind, but I NEVER litter...Im almost obsessive about it actually.

:mad:

sounds a little rough but it's pretty simple, you dumped some litter (and quite a large piece) and got caught, pay the fine.

I work right beside those bottle banks and there is always someone dumping random rubbish beside them so I'm glad they caught someone at last, I mean where did you think the box was going to go to?
Those bottle banks are emptied by a truck, and go to recycling, they aren't going to pick up all the random litter that people leave lying nearby...

cormie

Larianne wrote:

See this is why Irish people have it all wrong!! Throwing apples on the ground, chewing gum, cigarette butts, placing cardboard boxes neatly near a bin, it's still all littering!!

Throwing an apple on the ground is totally different.

How about my question. If an apple falls off an apple tree and rolls onto a path. Is the apple litter? If someone picks it up, takes a bite and throws it back on the ground 20 feet up the path, is he littering? If he is, then whoever kicks leaves when they walk is doing the same thing. Kicking litter onto the ground. Nature is not litter. Same with dogs defecating. It's natural, there is only a fine for it because us humans don't want to be trodding in it and marking our lovely new carpet. It's not litter. If you view dog feces as litter then there is no reason why you shouldn't view mouse droppings or snail trails as litter too. Which is obviously getting ridiculous. However, it's the same thing just on a smaller scale.

There is no way to detemine the size of a package, a laptop will fit in a back pack, a big massive box wont, he knew he was getting a laptop, not a massive box. Ok, he could have expeted a big box but maybe it lapsed his mind.

My first reaction was "Lesson learned" but it's not like he dumped it as soon as he got it. He searched and searched for a bin with no joy so to avoid danger and the possiblity of being knocked down thus making the box and all the contents scatter around the road and blow away in the panic and frustration of the accident, he tied the contents in a plastic bag and put them in an easily accessable place to be picked up by the council who are probably well used to picking up left over boxes and it may even be in their job description to do so.

Guy:Incognito

Shabadu wrote:

This is fúcking typical- you see police not even batting an eye when some scobe throws whatever junk he feels like onto the street, but because you can't find a bin and left a box in a recycling plant you get fined. Ah the government- screwing it up again.

What are the bottle recycling people supposed to do when they come to pick up the bottles so? Collect any cardboard people leave beside the bin because it the nearest thing to a bin around and drop it to a cardboard recycling plant or bin that has nothing to do with them.

Would your boss appreciate youwandering off from your job to go do work for another company for free?