Bull S*** Litter Fine....arrggggggg!!

Larianne

See this is why Irish people have it all wrong!! Throwing apples on the ground, chewing gum, cigarette butts, placing cardboard boxes neatly near a bin, it's still all littering!! They make up their own bloody rules!! :rolleyes:



"No marks for effort - It's not a competition to see now near someone can get to a bin..." ah how that made me laugh!!

GreeBo

MasterOfSolos wrote:

There IS different levels of littering, and i'm just saying what he did wasn't the worst

so should he get fined or not?
Does it matter what level of littering you do?
"Im only a plebian litter, fine him instead , he is a 4th level mage!" :rolleyes:

SirLemonhead

GreeBo wrote:

so should he get fined or not?
Does it matter what level of littering you do?
"Im only a plebian litter, fine him instead , he is a 4th level mage!" :rolleyes:

Did you read my original post?

"Yeah, he littered, and probably hasn't any right to complain about it"

eth0_

Would you not have taken a bus or taxi out to sandyford? Surely you should have copped that cycling home with a big, heavy box was going to be trick?

Pay the fine, it doesn't matter how 'neat' you littered, you still littered. You could have left the box with the guys in the sorting office in Sandyford if you'd really wanted to get rid of the extra weight.

is_that_so

I do believe that you can end up in court if you refuse to pay. My local rag is full of such cases. If you haven't made an effort to get rid of the box then no judge will let you off. It is littering I'm afraid and it is your responsiblility to get rid of your waste.

JackKelly

Unfortunately it's the law. Unfair but the law. It's stupid that the countless people throwing crap on the ground are ignored but, you, who at least tried to put it somewhere bin-like got fined.

WizZard

skibum wrote:

A few years ago my car was stolen and later recovered, thats all fine and dandy, but while the little scumbags were "joyriding" they threw out over 5000 leaflet's that I had just got printed for a business that I was running at the time. I get notice from the litter boy's that if I didn't recover all the leaflets now scattered around Ballinteer I would be fined etc. I was pissed off as "I" didn't do the littering, made a few phone calls only to be told "tough ****, it's now your problem".
Spent an afternoon with my brother and a couple of mates picking the bloody things up. :mad:

That is sickening!

copacetic

Cianos wrote:

Ok, I just got a letter from The Litter Pollution Acts people informing me I have been fined €125 for littering! What can I do!?

Heres the story;
I cycled out to Sandyford industrial estate to pick up a package (a laptop from the states). The laptop came in a box anyway, with all that foamy stuff that protects it. I had a bag with me, so I put the laptop and accessories in my bag and was left with the empty box. I was cycling around for ages seeing if there was a bin around for the empty box, which there wasnt. Then I spotted a bottle bank, with about 4 of those big plastic bottle recycling yokes. So I decided that is as close to a bin as Im going to get. So I left the box neatly beside one of the containers, and thought that was that.

Did I think of removing my name and address...no.

So, now I get this letter saying I have to pay up or face prosecution.

Can I appeal or do something to that effect? I think this is a bit extreme.

And I wouldnt mind, but I NEVER litter...Im almost obsessive about it actually.

:mad:

sounds a little rough but it's pretty simple, you dumped some litter (and quite a large piece) and got caught, pay the fine.

I work right beside those bottle banks and there is always someone dumping random rubbish beside them so I'm glad they caught someone at last, I mean where did you think the box was going to go to?
Those bottle banks are emptied by a truck, and go to recycling, they aren't going to pick up all the random litter that people leave lying nearby...

cormie

Larianne wrote:

See this is why Irish people have it all wrong!! Throwing apples on the ground, chewing gum, cigarette butts, placing cardboard boxes neatly near a bin, it's still all littering!!

Throwing an apple on the ground is totally different.

How about my question. If an apple falls off an apple tree and rolls onto a path. Is the apple litter? If someone picks it up, takes a bite and throws it back on the ground 20 feet up the path, is he littering? If he is, then whoever kicks leaves when they walk is doing the same thing. Kicking litter onto the ground. Nature is not litter. Same with dogs defecating. It's natural, there is only a fine for it because us humans don't want to be trodding in it and marking our lovely new carpet. It's not litter. If you view dog feces as litter then there is no reason why you shouldn't view mouse droppings or snail trails as litter too. Which is obviously getting ridiculous. However, it's the same thing just on a smaller scale.

There is no way to detemine the size of a package, a laptop will fit in a back pack, a big massive box wont, he knew he was getting a laptop, not a massive box. Ok, he could have expeted a big box but maybe it lapsed his mind.

My first reaction was "Lesson learned" but it's not like he dumped it as soon as he got it. He searched and searched for a bin with no joy so to avoid danger and the possiblity of being knocked down thus making the box and all the contents scatter around the road and blow away in the panic and frustration of the accident, he tied the contents in a plastic bag and put them in an easily accessable place to be picked up by the council who are probably well used to picking up left over boxes and it may even be in their job description to do so.

Guy:Incognito

Shabadu wrote:

This is fúcking typical- you see police not even batting an eye when some scobe throws whatever junk he feels like onto the street, but because you can't find a bin and left a box in a recycling plant you get fined. Ah the government- screwing it up again.

What are the bottle recycling people supposed to do when they come to pick up the bottles so? Collect any cardboard people leave beside the bin because it the nearest thing to a bin around and drop it to a cardboard recycling plant or bin that has nothing to do with them.

Would your boss appreciate youwandering off from your job to go do work for another company for free?

Cianos

Let it just be known that I was fully aware that technically, I was leaving the box in a place that it probably shouldnt have gone. However, given the circumstances and the seemingly "ok" compensation for "littering"...ie, leaving it in a place of refuse collection, be it not that specific type of refuse, I thought my actions were not in the least bit deserving of a €125 fine.

Yes I agree that actions need to be taken to ensure our country is more pleasing to the eye. But as other posters have illustrated, our littering laws seem to be fairly messed up. If Gardai cant be arsed to interfere when a passer by is littering, or the blame is put on someone whos car was robbed, for the place being covered in flyers, then who is to say what should be punished on what shouldnt be?

Saying things like why didnt I bring a bigger bag etc if I knew Dublin has a lack of bins is a bit mad to be honest. I knew the laptop would come in a box, and I knew I would be able to fit the items in my bad. What I didnt know is that I would not be able to find a bin after cycling for ages looking for one. Someone who is familiar with the area has confirmed that there is a serious lack of bins in that area, even more so than normal. Why didnt I take a bus or a taxi? Is that really relevant? If you must know, I fancied the cycle.

Actually, that leads me on to another point. I find it ironic that you are trying to discourage me from cycling, but at the same time slandering me for doing harm to the environment? By cycling, I am making the journey in a much more environmentally-friendly way. I cycle nearly all the time and only take other forms of transport when I have to.

Finally let me say one more time that I do not think littering is an easily excusable thing. I can understand why a lot of your reactions would be a plain view of "you littered, so you should pay the price". Thats fair enough. But in some circumstances, things are not as straightforward as that. If I had intentionally been so willy-nilly as some of you are making me out to be, I would have dumped the box long before I found that bottle bank.

And another thing, ADUB?, you should watch your manners.

Larianne

Its unfortunate as you say you normally don't litter and this one time you got caught out. But they can't bend the rules for you. And yeah it is sh*te that so many a'holes that litter all the time never get caught!! But that's life.

This country really needs to take action about its waste situation and enviromental issues full stop but yeah I don't see that happening anytime soon!!

Cianos

Yeah your right Lorraine. But I am going to appeal it hopefully. The money isnt the main thing here either. We shall see how it turns out...probably me down 125 big ones :mad:

cuckoo

If you were collecting the lap top from a retailer that wasn't a member of Repak they'd be obliged to take back the packaging from you for recycling.

Retailers that are members are listed on www.repak.ie.

SoupyNorman

Cianos wrote:

Yeah your right Lorraine. But I am going to appeal it hopefully. The money isnt the main thing here either. We shall see how it turns out...probably me down 125 big ones :mad:

Just pay the fine, dont do it again and get on with your life...you will only go making things worse as you dont have a leg to stand on.

cormie wrote:

How about my question. If an apple falls off an apple tree and rolls onto a path. Is the apple litter? If someone picks it up, takes a bite and throws it back on the ground 20 feet up the path, is he littering? If he is, then whoever kicks leaves when they walk is doing the same thing. Kicking litter onto the ground. Nature is not litter. Same with dogs defecating. It's natural, there is only a fine for it because us humans don't want to be trodding in it and marking our lovely new carpet. It's not litter. If you view dog feces as litter then there is no reason why you shouldn't view mouse droppings or snail trails as litter too. Which is obviously getting ridiculous. However, it's the same thing just on a smaller scale.

If you go in with this as your defence then i'd make sure you bring enough money to pay the fine and have enough for the bus home!

I agree €125 is excessive but you are ranting on as if you are above the law.

Esel

Didn't you know cormie *is* above the law? He can stop in traffic to pick up passengers, and remove his L-plates for motorway driving. The law is for other people!

If the OP cycled around for ages looking for a bin, how did it suddenly become dangerous to continue cycling?

SirLemonhead

esel wrote:

Didn't you know cormie *is* above the law? He can stop in traffic to pick up passengers, and remove his L-plates for motorway driving. The law is for other people!

If the OP cycled around for ages looking for a bin, how did it suddenly become dangerous to continue cycling?

Where did cormie even hint at the possability that he thinks that?

And the OP probably put it down temporarily so he could go find one. :eek:

Soundman

He shouldn't get fined for it. God created man in his own image so theoretically we are doing God's bidding. If anyone should get fined it is God.

cormie

bravestarr082 wrote:

If you go in with this as your defence then i'd make sure you bring enough money to pay the fine and have enough for the bus home!

I wasn't saying to use that as defense. That was just in reference to the whole "fruit in a hedge is litter" discussion. That's what I disagree with.

I don't have the same view with un natural products such as foam packaging and what not. If I saw someone throw an apply in a garden, I'd have no problem, even if it was my garden, if I saw someone throw a plastic bottle or similar It would be a different story.

I don't know where I portrayed that I was above the law either?

If my job was to fine people for littering, I would have sympathy for Cian if I saw this thread after I fined him. Whoever fined him probably just thought it was someone in a car who, once they got their bottles out of the car, wanted nothing more of such filth in it and left the box there when they could have easily have brought it back home in their car.

And Esel, with regards the passengers, if you followed that thread, I changed my wicked ways and picked him up in a more suitable place from that point on and the L plates are gone now anyway;)

weemcd

I think people are goin a bit hard on the op.

Sure the law is the law etc. etc.

But give him a ****ing break. 125 euro is pretty steep for a box, he said he looked around for a bin and couldnt find one. Being on the bike im sure the box would have been very combersome too.

Hard luck mate, id be pretty pissed off if this happened to me.

There are worse crimes people get away with, and don't get fined over.

What about the thread in motors on the lad with no licence or insurance who was paralised and now is looking 2mil in compo.

GreeBo

Larianne wrote:

And yeah it is sh*te that so many a'holes that litter all the time never get caught!! But that's life.

Err he is one of those "a'holes that litter"!
I dont usually kill people, but this one guy was really annoying me last night so I stabbed him in the head. Now they want me to pay a fine and are calling me a murderer!
:cool:

egan007

The arguments against the fine here are ridiculous
Apples fallig from trees?
Quit cycling?

You dumped your cardboard and got caught

The only thing you are sorry about is getting caught

homah_7ft

cormie wrote:

Same with dogs defecating. It's natural, there is only a fine for it because us humans don't want to be trodding in it and marking our lovely new carpet. It's not litter. If you view dog feces as litter then there is no reason why you shouldn't view mouse droppings or snail trails as litter too. Which is obviously getting ridiculous. However, it's the same thing just on a smaller scale.

Yes dog faeces is litter. You seem to think that natural = good. All animals (including humans) have things they consider waste. For very good reason too.

Jip

I can't see why there's any argument or debate about this. You left an empty box at the side of the road which was littering, end of story. The background of if does't matter to anyone, least of all a judge, he'll just see it as inexcusable.

There's a bottle bank near me where lots of Cianos seem to think it's ok to leave behind their empy boxes and bags they used to bring the bottles down and by the end of the week the place is a tip. The county council then have to send someone up to clear the place.

Whatever_fools

Just pay the fine and next time remember to take your address off before dumping!!!

cormie

ahh faeces, knew feces didn't look right:p

Anyway, yep, we consider it waste as our systems can't benefit from it, but other things benefit from it. Think of cow manure. The nature cycle. Sure, some natural things hinder others, but it's not natural for a dog to hop up onto the railing along the promenade in Bray and open the dog litter bin with it's nose and do it's business looking out amongst the sea. Would be handy but it's not the way nature intended it to happen.

Anyway, this really has nothing to do with cardboard boxes. This was all just in reference to the throwing an apple in a ditch = litter thing.

egan007

cormie wrote:

ahh faeces, knew feces didn't look right:p

Anyway, yep, we consider it waste as our systems can't benefit from it, but other things benefit from it. Think of cow manure. The nature cycle. Sure, some natural things hinder others, but it's not natural for a dog to hop up onto the railing along the promenade in Bray and open the dog litter bin with it's nose and do it's business looking out amongst the sea. Would be handy but it's not the way nature intended it to happen.

Anyway, this really has nothing to do with cardboard boxes. This was all just in reference to the throwing an apple in a ditch = litter thing.

You have a very warped sence of logic about what the environment is.
You seem to think that natural = ok
Oil occurs naturally.......

cormie

Jip wrote:

There's a bottle bank near me where lots of Cormies seem to think it's ok to leave behind their empy boxes and bags they used to bring the bottles down and by the end of the week the place is a tip. The county council then have to send someone up to clear the place.

Wow, hold it, I don't think it's ok. I said if I was in charge of handing out the fines I would have some kind of sympathy for giving the same to Cian as I would to someone who decides to leave a box there when they can just put it in the back seat, where it was when they brought their bottles down in the box, bring it back home and put it in their recycling bin.

And if there were a million Cians doing it? Well then I'd get onto my boss and sort out putting a bank for cardboard and the likes there since there is obviously a lack in that area.

cormie

egan007 wrote:

You have a very warped sence of logic about what the environment is.
You seem to think that natural = ok
Oil occurs naturally.......

As I said "Sure, some natural things hinder others".

homah_7ft

cormie wrote:

ahh faeces, knew feces didn't look right:p

Anyway, yep, we consider it waste as our systems can't benefit from it, but other things benefit from it. Think of cow manure. The nature cycle. Sure, some natural things hinder others, but it's not natural for a dog to hop up onto the railing along the promenade in Bray and open the dog litter bin with it's nose and do it's business looking out amongst the sea. Would be handy but it's not the way nature intended it to happen.

Anyway, this really has nothing to do with cardboard boxes. This was all just in reference to the throwing an apple in a ditch = litter thing.

I'm surprised you are posting here. It's not natural you know so it can't be good. Do you live in a house?

To the OP. Tough break , pay your fine. The judge won't care why you did it only that you did do it.

egan007

cormie wrote:

As I said "Sure, some natural things hinder others".

So is it so hard to assume that dog sh!te hinders others?

cormie

homah_7ft wrote:

I'm surprised you are posting here. It's not natural you know so it can't be good. Do you live in a house?

Ya got me there sunshine:D hmm what bull can I come up with now. Ok here goes, by sacrificing me living in this house and being online, I am eughh... protecting the environment by posting threads like this, this and this (and... this)which will hopefully have a positive effect after I emailed Oxigen etc, I can then go an preach the word and get people recycling more which will work against the damage done to the environment by me living here and being online. So It's for the greater good really:p

Esel

cormie wrote:

..And Esel, with regards the passengers, if you followed that thread, I changed my wicked ways and picked him up in a more suitable place from that point on and the L plates are gone now anyway;)

Hey Cormie, I was only slaggin'. Forgot to put a smilie in my post! Good luck with the container!

homah_7ft

cormie wrote:

Ya got me there sunshine:D hmm what bull can I come up with now. Ok here goes, by sacrificing me living in this house and being online, I am eughh... protecting the environment by posting threads like this (and... this)which will hopefully have a positive effect after I emailed Oxigen etc, I can then go an preach the word and get people recycling more which will work against the damage done to the environment by me living here and being online. So It's for the greater good really:p

I think I got out of the bed on the wrong side this morning.

cormie

esel wrote:

Good luck with the container!

Oh that 40ft piece of un natural junk :rolleyes: haha. And that doesn't actually belong to me, I'm just trying to make some green (green is a sign of nature) for removing it for somebody! Again, for the greater good

homah, I added 2 more links to threads I started about recycling after you quoted me;)

Jip

Sorry Cormie, I of course meant lots of Cianos !

cormie

Ahh. No probs!