European Coefficiants & Irish Teams

StickyMcGinty

i think irish1 is the man to talk to about this, but its lookin interesting for us..

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method3/ccoef2006.html

and here is the explaination
http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/

its confusing stuff, i know its early, but how many points do we need to go straight in to the second qualifying round of the champions league??

Slash/ED

I think someone said we have to maintain an average of just over 2 points for five years to go straight into the second round. Looking good to do that for this year anyway.

emc2

Yep, What I heard a pr guy for the fai say that if we continue to get 1.5 to 2 points for the next couple of years by season 2009/2010 we'll get directly into the second round.

MooShop

i think its 2.7 or higher for 5 years, still along way to go this year cos if Cork and Longford win tonight it will give us an average of 2.25 but with at least 5 games left to play(that is supposing Cork and Longford progress tonight) but we will have to repeat this feat for the next four years as well, will be tough

thejollyrodger

if both cork and longford win we will be on an average of 2.16 isnt that right ? The second round for both clubs might be very hard though.

Slash/ED

Longford will go out in the second round but Cork should fear nobody in that draw, espically if they draw Dundee.

MooShop

thejollyrodger wrote:

if both cork and longford win we will be on an average of 2.16 isnt that right ?

yeah thats right

Bateman

Playing beatable teams in the first round in recent years has been enjoyable though.

eirebhoy

VinnyL wrote:

its confusing stuff, i know its early, but how many points do we need to go straight in to the second qualifying round of the champions league??

Well you have to get up to 26th in the rankings to get into QR2. You'd need a coefficient of around 15.000 to get to 26th. Thats an average of 3 points a year for 5 years. If you get into the UEFA cup or CL proper its double points for a draw or win.

I think its more important for teams to build up club coefficients by winning actual UEFA cup matches (can't see anyone getting into the CL for a while). That means they have a better chance of being seeded in the later qualifying rounds which is better than getting a bye past round 1.

Pigman II

Would there be something said for asking Uefa to REDUCE the number of teams we enter into europe to 2 as it would almost definetly boost our coefficent? To see what I mean - if Norway only entered 1 team instead of 5-6 then Rosenberg would probably qualify automatically for the group stage every year instead of having to start in Qround2.

^^ BTW I'm just playing devils avocado there but I'd be interested in hearing views irregardless.

Bateman

No I don't think so. I know they only bring us down, but whoever wins the cup / finishes second in the league does genuinely deserve their chance.

Slash/ED

The clubs here would never agree to it though. What I would suggest though is FAI cup winners in the inter toto and 3rd in the league into the UEFA. There are no co-efficent points for the inter toto and the cup winners are generally the worst side out of the four.

thejollyrodger

i think co-efficents are important for the development of the league in the long term but i dont think getting straight into the second would really benefit EL clubs in europe. If we got a by into the second round we would just lose out on a chance to increase the co-efficent.

Improving the strength of the team with players training etc is what is going to get EL clubs into UEFA Cup and the CL group stages.

Maybe if we had one all ireland league, and lost a european place it might do the league the world of good in the long term. (I think we would get the place back in the future if the league was in europe reguarly)

Slash/ED

If we had an AIL but still only had four European places between us and the NI teams I'd be happy. It means every team in Europe would be a very good team with a chance of really doing something.