Starting salaries

Dr. Octagon

If you can get through an elec. degree surely you can calculate your taxes!!

base2

28K after tax averages out to between 1900 and 2000 a month after tax IIRC

really. ****. I'm getting that much doing a phd. now. Those wages are crap.

cargrouch

base2 wrote:

I'm getting that much doing a phd. now. Those wages are crap.

Shh! Those crafty HR people will hear you! There's still plenty grads and postgrads with enough ability to do the jobs - to stand out you really need to be ecstatic about working for the company, so eager you'll do it for free. Perfect cartwheels, handstands and maybe a tap routine ;-)

If you're doing a phd then you won't start at the grad rate. Grad rate +2,3? years would be my guess, but I wouldn't have any knowledge of that.

PDelux

EEs, what pay increase(%) did you get this year?

cargrouch

3% ish.


Roman Abramovich sends me begging letters.

les-paul

base2 wrote:

really. ****. I'm getting that much doing a phd. now. Those wages are crap.

I'm leaving Spain for a job in Ireland instead of staying here and doing a PhD because the pay here, if you're lucky enough to get a grant, is about 1100-1200 € a month with no great expectations after finishing it. A PhD is seen here (by employers) as "wasting 4 years that could have been spent working gaining experience".

Irish Wolf

les-paul wrote:

which gives a month salary of 2011.85 euro after taxes for a single person from a 28000 gross annual rate.

Don't forget to factor your pension contribution into this.

IR£14,400 (€18,300) was my starting salary with Analog - 8 years ago as a technician. I'm not too sure what the engineers started at. Analog up until last year were paying fairly poorly - they upgraded all technician jobs in physical design to engineer in order to pull up salaries last year to try and stop the stem of people leaving. I know of people who got adjustments of up to 25-30%, pulling them up to approx. €35,000 after 6/7 experience. "Proper" engineers (the people who started as engineers) after that time were up at about €40,000. Still not a great salaries imo.

I've moved on from Analog, I will say this though - they're an excellent company to work for, especially fresh out of college, you will get a wealth of experience, which will be money in the bank after 4/5 years if you decide to move on.

Oh yes - forget about stock options, afaik Intel have phased them out, and Analog are also phasing them out - they ain't the golden goose they used to be anyway!

theCzar

TheBigLebowski wrote:

Engineers don't even work shift in Intel...

ha. as regards graduates, I know 2 people who'd call that a crock. in fact I'm a third, but I turned down the job... in fact my job title would have been shift process engineer

As of 5 months ago, the starting wage for an engineer in intel is 28k*, if you're working shift this can go up significantly. I believe they were offering me 50% shift bonus making for a bucket load of money, but you'd be working nights every second month.

*edit ok 27,750 but whos going to split hairs, probably more now after adjustment.

theCzar

Also, I echo previous posters saying don't worry too much about starting wage. after tax, from the best to the worst (within reason, I'm not counting an elec eng working in spar 10 hours a week!) your only talking a couple of grand, which seems like a lot but over a year its not. The most important thing is get a job. If you can get you one you'd enjoy so much the better. In a couple of years, armed with experience, and knowledge/confidence in the value of your skills, you may be able to get a more appropriate figure for a engineer of your obvious genius.

Best of luck mate! Its a mean old world out there and its run by people who haven't got a clue about engineering. *sigh*

cargrouch

theCzar wrote:

The most important thing is get a job. If you can get you one you'd enjoy so much the better.

True.

theCzar wrote:

In a couple of years, armed with experience, and knowledge/confidence in the value of your skills, you may be able to get a more appropriate figure for a engineer of your obvious genius.

True but the most important word here is MAY. I wouldn't bet on it! I don't see companies being too flathuil!
Some of them will ask you what you're on over the phone before you come to interview at all - they want to have their cake and eat it. They want the best but don't want to pay for it! Try getting a straight answer from them on salary range for a particular job with your experience - you won't, even if you have just told them what you're on.

Your ability to command good pay after two years depends on being in the right place at the right time and on how good the company you've been with is for structured training (Not a lot of companies have the critical mass needed to allow time for mentoring, structured training etc). Unfortunately while there are always some amount of vacancies, you will see that they are usually for specialists in a particular area. For example -you've been testing ADC/DACs with rack and stack equipment on pretty much proprietry software for two years, how many companies in Ireland will be interested?
Digital design - how many areas does this break down to?
Analog design - how many areas does this break down to?

While anyone with a proper honours engineering degree is smart enough to do most things after initial training, electronics companies don't often see it this way. Example - electronic engineers, how many of your colleagues have left electronics and been successful($$$) in another area eg project management, IT consultancy, banking? How many have successfully transferred from these areas to electronics? How many analog design engineers have successfully transferred to digital design in the last few years? Vice versa? How many VHDL experts have successfully transferred to RF design in the last few years?...

Better go now before the bile dissolves my keyboard...