Racism on Boards.ie

Hobbes

Its a tribal thing. Irish aren't going to find the joke offensive if its an irish person saying it to them.

telling a joke in which an ethnic group is made fun of is not racism.

The way to define a racist joke is to replace the race with "little green men". If the joke is no longer funny then it is most likely racist.

Racism is about beliving that one race is inherentaly superior or inferior to another.

Which is generally inferred by the joke.

Kingsize

This has cropped up in the humanities forum as well, yes its okay to laugh at ourselves isnt it??in general yes but rememeber that anti(insert race) jokes are usually propogated to keeep a racial stereotype going.(e.g.that age old legend that the irish are thick/subhumans & sure what harm if "our boys" kill a few by mistake)
but heres something-Des bishop is a very succesful comedian here in Ireland & a lot of his act is based on taking the piss out of the irish in a freindly way.
however i went to see him play in England last year & because the audience were predominantly British his act became a paddy bashing session.
I was disgusted at this & yet if i hadve opened my mouth i wouldve almost certainly been abused & or assaulted.
Des bishop seemed to enjoy wallowing in the rabble rousing, but apart from that it was the same stand up act that you'dve seen in vicar st or wherever.
Ive been to the Uk many times in my life & this was the only time i ever felt my irish accent would get me killed.

im rambling a liitle here - i guess comedy shouldnt be taken out of context i wouldnt wish any harm on your grandmother but an old lady slipping on a banana skin might make me laugh out loud.

28064212

Racism is all about either intent or ignorance. If you're telling a joke deliberately to insult someone based on their race, or you actually believe the joke through ignorance, it's racist. However, in most 'racist' jokes, the person's race is incidental (in particular Paddy the Irishman jokes). The teller knows that X race has a reputation for stupidity/poshness/whatever, but they also are generally aware that it's a ridiculous stereotype.

Sam Vimes

i tell racist jokes to my black friends. they know they are JOKES so they don't get offended. this PC bs is stupid, sorry "other intelligenced"

Deadwing

i think if we just try and get all racial sterotypes into one joke then were not picking on anyone in particualr. Like a super insult joke!
Okay so this wop, and a jig, and a paddy,and a brit bastard, and a chink, and a paki and a..umm..running out of bigoted stereotpyes..uh well they all walk into a bar with sh!t in thier hands and say 'hey, look what we almost stepped in!'

shellby

Asok wrote:

Is making fun of my own race now rascist?

i was gonna say that
you stupid irish so of a leprechaun

Megatron

passive wrote:

If something is said in good fun it's not racist.

Look at all the c00ns we have strun up , it's like looking at a string curtain.


Now some people might find that amusing and down right funny (KKK - Sotrmfront types) , i dont .

and it could be said in good fun in the right situation.

You can be a racist to your own race, Racist = discriminating someone because of thier race.... it doesn't make reference to your own race.

While i'm not offended by the majority of the "Irish" jokes it does go down to who and in what context it's been said.. but saying that, it doesn't make this Causal Racism right.

roberteboot

Eoin Madsen wrote:

A considerable amount of classic Irish literature has been at the expense of the Irish. Satire and self-deprecation are really rather distinctive characteristics of our culture. It's quite hard to make any kind of commentary (humourous, informed, or otherwise) on a society without generalisation. But I don't think that's same thing as rascism at all.

Exactly.The ability to laugh at ourselves is one of our defining characteristics.And now you try and take it away from us.Now all these PC **** are trying to take it away from us.Theyre trying to dilute us and our culture.What a bunch of rascists.Cocks.

Tha Gopher

chillywilly wrote:

"whacking day was just an excuse to beat up the irish"......

"tis true, but twas all in good fun"

NAME THE REFERENCE PEOPLE!!!

Kent Brockman, as the crowds riot on paddys day and burn down a British chipper

"Heavy drinking and violent behaviour. Is this what we think of when we think of the Irish?"


"LOOK OUT ITCHY, HES IRISH!" Milhouse

"Look at me! Im the prime minister of Ireland!" Homer, drunk and with a beer barrel on his head

All legendary quotes

Now Hagar, piss off

drunkenfool

Listen to any black comedy for example and all he laughs about are other black folks etc. This goes for almost every race, we all like to laugh at each other, and i think that it particularly goes for the Irish. We are a slagging race, ie if a bunch of americans were to listen to a bunch of Irish lads talking they would probably think we were fighting, but thats all part of the Irish wit, we like to slag each other off. So you have to relax about the "anti-Irish" jokes, its all a laugh.
As for the Brits thinking they are superior to us, you just have to laugh at them for that. Pah! God save the queen!

jimbling

quick... someone tell me a joke that does not offend anybody or anything... or is not judgemental etc etc etc.....

jokes / humour is almost always making fun of either people animals situations etc etc.... you can always find someone that will take offense

shellby

2 ducks in a pond
one says "quack"
the other turns around shocked and says "i was just about to say that"


its not funny but it doesn't offend anyoe except for the ducks the poor innocent ducks
whats that call "Billism" or would that apply to turtles and platapii too

Pigman II

Tha Gopher wrote:

"LOOK OUT ITCHY, HES IRISH!" Milhouse

"Come on, Itchy! Kill that guy!"

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If we didn't entertain racist jokes at our own expense then how could we look ourselves in the mirror when we tell (or listen to) all those other jokes about the English, Americans, Travelers, Catholics, Protestants, Northsiders, Southsiders, Men, Women, Children, Blondes, Jews, Muslims, Blacks, Chinese, Pakistanis, EasternEuropeans, Iraq, AlQaeda .... and Trekkies.

Take away that and we'll be reduced a future of jokes all of which begin with 'Dya ever notice how ....' or 'A funny thing happened to me on the way to....'.

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Which reminds me there was once these three construction workers (one Irish) sitting on the scaffolding of a skyscraper 200 meters above street level .....

Cianos

One thing to note is that, (as far as I know), it has been scientifically shown that one can only laugh if one "likes" the source of the "joke"...ie, you only find a joke funny if you like (and not dislike or hate -) the person who is telling it. For example, if you are the bullied kid in school, and the bully tells a joke that is technically very funny, you still arent going to laugh. In saying that, Im sure there is a neutral, in that the content of the joke constructs that view of the teller. But this shows that humour is, at its most basic quality, a social communicatary tool. Thus, it could be said that jokes that seem "racist", are not necessarily harmless because "when you tell them at the pub with your mates everyone laughs, and whats wrong with that"? It basically comes down to the way the joke is used. The same joke could be said in completely different scenarios, and in turn have completely different effects. Im not saying that those who tell jokes that are "racist", are "racist" (especially if it is their own race), but those that would use the joke in a racist manner are - in that they know the negative impacts towards the listener. That or just plain ignorant.

drunkenfool

i hate you, thats not funny.

Hagar

Tha Gopher wrote:

Now Hagar, piss off

I put forward a proposition based on a personal opinion.
Various posters have argued both sides. I've read all posts with interest.
That's the pupose of these forums, constructive debate.

You on the other hand have had to resort to abuse to try and bolster your side of the arguement.
Congratulations on your choice of tactics, it's quite advanced for a person your age.

Pigman II

Hagar wrote:

You on the other hand have had to resort to abuse to try and bolster your side of the arguement.

Yeah whats with that? On another thread yesterday he opened a post of his by calling someone a 'twat' because he didn't agree with their opinion. By all means have a go where warrantedbut I think thats two outta two cases where it wasn't justified.

Tha Gopher

Pigman, wasnt your previous account banned for agressive behaviour or something?

Im telling it how it is, this isnt real, its more troublemaking than anything. Like the guy on boards who demanded that road signs be translated into Polish and Chinese. As for calling Blub2k4 a twat, if you believe anything you see in a film or read in a book then its all you can expect. To quote Milhouse for a second time in this thread
"If its in a book, its gotta be true!" :rolleyes:
Which is pretty much the attitude of much of this forum concerning just about anything written about George Bush, multinational corps yadda yadda yadda.



Its lunacy and deserves all the derision it gets

Megatron

Tha Gopher wrote:

Pigman, wasnt your previous account banned for agressive behaviour or something?

Im telling it how it is, this isnt real, its more troublemaking than anything. Like the guy on boards who demanded that road signs be translated into Polish and Chinese. As for calling Blub2k4 a twat, if you believe anything you see in a film or read in a book then its all you can expect. To quote Milhouse for a second time in this thread
"If its in a book, its gotta be true!" :rolleyes:
Which is pretty much the attitude of much of this forum concerning just about anything written about George Bush, multinational corps yadda yadda yadda.



Its lunacy and deserves all the derision it gets

you my "Friend" have a mind like a razor.


Sharp and very Narrow.

Pigman II

Tha Gopher wrote:

Pigman, wasnt your previous account banned for agressive behaviour or something?

I never said I was an angel here but I think I've gotten better over the last while.

I'm just wondering why you're having a go at these guys - whether they're trolling or? not You might think you're doing a service but when you start namecalling you either come out of it looking petulant or like bait so either way you do nobody (including yourself) any favours.

The Real B-man

by any chance are you a republican?

Hagar

[DeNero voice]You talking to me?[/DeNero voice]

I'm Irish and proud of it. If that allows you to to label me. Feel free.

tibor

"Today we, Ireland's top scientists, have found a way to convert our entire population to pure energy!"


...

Malafus

tibor wrote:

"Today we, Ireland's top scientists, have found a way to convert our entire population to pure energy!"


...

"Hey, Michael McClough's just invented a new type of beverage in his basement!"

"Hmmm, Whiskey..."


Such a great episode

Oh, and to stay on topic, could not care less, TBH.

Dades

So if racism is basically implying that one race is inferior to another, then would ANY joke involving races or nationalities not fall under this?

Hagar is it your opinion that every such joke be labelled racist and banned? EVERY joke that has played on the stereotype of a person or people of one or more nations?

If not, I'd like to hear an example of a non-racist joke involving race/nationalities.

Hagar

The Atheist wrote:

Hagar is it your opinion that every such joke be labelled racist and banned?

It is generally accepted that jokes about black, brown or yellow people are just not on. I'm just asking for the same protection for us green folks.

Mods please bear with me on this for a few mins.

Which of the lands listed in my Location on left do you think are offensive?
Every one except Paddyland I suspect.

I'll edit in a few mins, no offence intended, I'm just trying to draw a comparison
Edited after 15mins. Thanks.

Dades

Hagar wrote:

Which of the lands listed in my Location on left do you think are offensive?
Every one except Paddyland I suspect.

Okay so I missed the window obviously (you'd think I was paid to be in work).

Now I'll never know the question.

The real question of any situation is - is anyone actually offended?

Someone mentioned Des Bishop. I can't stand that idiot - not because he's "racist" but because by all accounts he's biting the hand that feeds him and getting away with it.

Kingsize

The Atheist wrote:

Someone mentioned Des Bishop. I can't stand that idiot - not because he's "racist" but because by all accounts he's biting the hand that feeds him and getting away with it.

it was me & i couldnt agree more

BTW if youre gonna work in a fast food restauraunt & expect respect from people your'e sadly mistaken, if he'd have gone & worked in Maccy d's he mightve got my sympathy
but you go & work in ABRAKEBABRA????
need i say more ....
(off topic but i couldnt let it go)

StupidLikeAFox

So because your in abrakebabra it give you the right to be an ignorant ****er?

Trojan

TG: The Pigman ran into trouble because he and some of his colleagues were having a laugh at boards users' expense. The Pigman II has been good.

Of course that is completely aside from this discussion and has zero relevance here. I note that aside from the character assassination you don't address any of the points raised.

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