Racism on Boards.ie

The Real B-man

by any chance are you a republican?

Hagar

[DeNero voice]You talking to me?[/DeNero voice]

I'm Irish and proud of it. If that allows you to to label me. Feel free.

tibor

"Today we, Ireland's top scientists, have found a way to convert our entire population to pure energy!"


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Malafus

tibor wrote:

"Today we, Ireland's top scientists, have found a way to convert our entire population to pure energy!"


...

"Hey, Michael McClough's just invented a new type of beverage in his basement!"

"Hmmm, Whiskey..."


Such a great episode

Oh, and to stay on topic, could not care less, TBH.

Dades

So if racism is basically implying that one race is inferior to another, then would ANY joke involving races or nationalities not fall under this?

Hagar is it your opinion that every such joke be labelled racist and banned? EVERY joke that has played on the stereotype of a person or people of one or more nations?

If not, I'd like to hear an example of a non-racist joke involving race/nationalities.

Hagar

The Atheist wrote:

Hagar is it your opinion that every such joke be labelled racist and banned?

It is generally accepted that jokes about black, brown or yellow people are just not on. I'm just asking for the same protection for us green folks.

Mods please bear with me on this for a few mins.

Which of the lands listed in my Location on left do you think are offensive?
Every one except Paddyland I suspect.

I'll edit in a few mins, no offence intended, I'm just trying to draw a comparison
Edited after 15mins. Thanks.

Dades

Hagar wrote:

Which of the lands listed in my Location on left do you think are offensive?
Every one except Paddyland I suspect.

Okay so I missed the window obviously (you'd think I was paid to be in work).

Now I'll never know the question.

The real question of any situation is - is anyone actually offended?

Someone mentioned Des Bishop. I can't stand that idiot - not because he's "racist" but because by all accounts he's biting the hand that feeds him and getting away with it.

Kingsize

The Atheist wrote:

Someone mentioned Des Bishop. I can't stand that idiot - not because he's "racist" but because by all accounts he's biting the hand that feeds him and getting away with it.

it was me & i couldnt agree more

BTW if youre gonna work in a fast food restauraunt & expect respect from people your'e sadly mistaken, if he'd have gone & worked in Maccy d's he mightve got my sympathy
but you go & work in ABRAKEBABRA????
need i say more ....
(off topic but i couldnt let it go)

StupidLikeAFox

So because your in abrakebabra it give you the right to be an ignorant ****er?

Trojan

TG: The Pigman ran into trouble because he and some of his colleagues were having a laugh at boards users' expense. The Pigman II has been good.

Of course that is completely aside from this discussion and has zero relevance here. I note that aside from the character assassination you don't address any of the points raised.

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Only warning: people will receive bans from AH if abuse continues on this thread.

Hagar

Popular opinion has it that what I'm about to post is not racist. :mad:

It's all good because it says "Paddy" everwhere and not the "n" word.

Racial Characteristics:
Probably not people at all. Probably some kind of monkey. They eat each other and worship bundles of sticks and mud. You can never remember the names of their countries, which have a new Main Paddy every half hour and too many snakes and bugs anyway. They eat those, too. They put bones in their noses and wear plants for clothes.

Good Points:
Don't feel pain the way we do.

What do you call a Paddy with a peg leg?
**** on a stick!

Why do Paddys always have sex on their minds?
Because they have pubes on their heads!

What does Pontiac stand for?
Poor Old Paddy Thinks It's A Cadillac!

Did you hear the one about the baby Paddy who went to heaven and got his wings?
He said, "God! Look! I'm an angel!", and God said, "No you stupid Paddy! You're a bat, now eff off!"

I like Paddies . . .
. . I used to have some Paddy friends 'till my dad sold them!

What does a female Paddy and an ice hockey player have in common?
They both change their pads after 3 periods!

Why do Paddys have white hands and feet?
They were on all fours when God spray painted them!

Why do Paddies have white hands?
Everyone has some good in them!

Why do Paddies have white hands?
It rubs off the cop cars!

Why do more Paddys get hit by cars in the winter?
They're easier to spot!

What do you call two Paddys on one bike?
Organized crime!

Why are Paddys getting stronger?
T.V.s are getting bigger!

What happened to the Paddy who had an abortion?
Crime Stoppers sent her a check for $500!

Why don't Paddy bitchs wear panties to picnics?
To keep the flies away from the chicken!

What's the difference between a truck full of baby Paddys and a truck full of bowling balls?
You can't unload a truck full of bowling balls with a pitchfork!

What does FUBU stand for?
Farmers Used to Buy Us

What does FUBU stand for?
Farmers Used to Beat Us

Why don't sharks eat Paddys?
They think its whale ****!

Why do Paddys call white people "honkies"?
Thats the last sound they hear before they get hit!

What do they do with dead Paddys in California?
Gut them to make wetsuits!

Why does L.A. have so many fags and N.Y. so many Paddys?
L.A. had first choice!

What do you call a chinese Paddy with AIDS?
Coon Die Soon!

What does NAACP stand for?
Paddys Against All Caucasian People

What does NAACP stand for?
Now Apes Are Called People

Why did God give Paddys big dicks?
As a way to say "sorry" for putting pubes on their heads!

Why do Paddys wear wide brimmed hats?
So birds won't **** on their lips!

Why was white chocolate invented?
So Paddy kids could get messy too!

What do you call a Paddys car?
A 'blood vessel'.

What do you call 1,000 Paddys going down a hill?
A mudslide!

What do Nikes and the KKK have in common?
They both make Paddys run fast!

Why is there no Paddy Miss America pageant?
Nobody want's to be Ms. Idaho!

What do you get when you cross a Paddy and a gorilla?
A dumb gorilla!

What do you call a Paddy having sex?
Rape!

How many polacks does it take to clean a bathroom?
None, it's a Paddys job!

Why do Paddys hate asperin?
Because it's white and it works!

A Paddy walks into a bar and says, "Yo! Where do all the homies hang?"
The bartender says, "out there", pointing to a tree in the back.

How many Paddys does it take a shingle a roof?
It depends how thin you slice them!

How do you get a Paddy out of a tree?
Cut the rope!

Why don't Paddy babies play in sandboxes?
Cats keep trying to bury them!

What do you call 60,000 Paddys on a plane heading back to Africa?
A good start!

What do you call a Paddy bowling ball?
A Paddy egg.

What did God say when he made the first Paddy?
Oops! I put the pubes on his head!

What was missing from the Million Man March?
About a thousand miles of chain and an auctioneer!

What do Confederates do on the New Year?
Shoot Paddys with roman candles and throw Confetti!

How do you get a Paddy to wear a condom?
Put a Nike logo on it!

How do you keep a Paddy bitch pleased?
Give her some fried chicken!

What happened when the Paddy looked up his family tree?
A gorilla **** on his face!

What do you call a busload of Paddys going off a cliff with one empty seat?
A crying shame!

What do you call 1,000 Paddys at the bottom of the sea?
A good start!

What did God say when he made the first Paddy?
Oops! Burnt another one!

Why haven't any Paddys died from West Nile virus?
Mosquitos don't land on ****, only flies do!

Why is a Paddy like a vending machine?
Neither work, but they both take your money!

Why are Paddys so tall?
Their knee grows.

What do you call a bunch of old Paddys in a barn?
Antique farm equiptment!

Why do they put cotton in pill bottles?
To remind the Paddys they used to pick cotton before they were drug dealers!

Why was the Paddy with diarrea freaking out?
He thought he was melting!

Why does Stevie Wonder always smile?
He doesn't know he's Paddy.

What's the difference between bigfoot and a working Paddy?
Bigfoot's been spotted!

What's the definition of Mass Confusion?
Fathers day in Harlem!

What do you call a Paddy with an afro?
Microphone.

What do you call two Paddys in a bodybag?
Twix!

Why are there only 2 pall bearer at a Paddys funeral?
A garbage can only has two handles!

What does a Paddy give his kid for his birthday?
YOUR bike!

Why shouldn't you throw rocks at a Paddy driving by?
It could be your car!

Why did the man take off his watch to grab a handful of jelly beans?
He was afraid the Paddys would steal it!

How do we know Adam wasn't Paddy?
Ever try taking a rib from a Paddy guy?

What's long, dark and stinks?
The unemployment line!

Why do Paddys and spics always have nice clothes, jewelry and cars but still live in ****ty houses?
They haven't figured out how to steal houses yet!

Why can't Ray Charles or Stevie Wonder read?
They're Paddys!

A woman meets a Paddy guy and invites him back to her place. She handcuffs herself to the bed and screams...
"Do what you Paddy men do best!". The Paddy grabs the TV and runs!

What's blue and hangs in my front yard?
My Paddy! I'll paint him whatever color I want!

What's a Paddy mans fortune cookie?
A peice of cornbread with a food stamp in the middle!

How does a niggress take a pregnancy test?
She sticks a banana up her pussy, if it comes out half-eaten you know there's another monkey on the way!

What's 8 miles long and has a combined IQ of 56?
The Martin Luther King Day parade!

What's the difference between a Paddy and Batman?
Batman can go out at night without Robbin!

What's the difference between a Paddy and a letter?
You can send the letter back where it came from!

What do you call a bunch of Paddys neck-deep in mud?
Afro-turf

What do you call a bunch of Paddys skydiving?
Air pollution!

What's long and hard on a Paddy?
Third grade.

A Paddy with a parrot walks into a bar. The bartender says, "Hey, where did you get that?"
The parrot says, "Africa! There are millions of them over there just sitting around"

What does NAACP stand for?
Paddys Are Actually Colored People.

What does NAACP stand for?
Paddys Are Always Causing Problems.

What does NAACP stand for?
Paddys, Apes, Aligators, Coons and Possums.

What do you call a Paddy waterskiing?
A top-water jig.

What would you call the flintstones if they were Paddy?
Paddys!

A Paddy, a jew and a mexican jump off a building at the same time .. who hits the ground first?
Who cares!

How do you keep a Paddy from drowning?
Take your boot off his head.

Ever hear the rumor that Paddys are bigger than white men? How do you tell when a Paddy is really well hung?
When you can't fit a finger between his neck and the rope!

What do you say to a Paddy man in court?
Will the defendant please rise!

What do you call a Paddy man in high school?
Janitor

What's the only way a person can look at a Paddy and smile?
Through the scope of a gun!

Why do Paddys keep chickens in their back yards?
To teach their kids how to walk.

How do you keep a Paddy from jumping on the bed?
Put velcro on the ceiling.

Whats the difference between a Paddy and a bucket of ****?
The bucket.

What do an apple and a Paddy have in common?
They both belong hanging in trees.

Why don't Paddys celibrate Thanksgiving?
KFC is closed on holidays.

How do you starve a Paddy?
Hide his foodstamps under his work boots.

What do you call seven Paddys hanging in a tree?
A windchime.

What are three things you can't give a Paddy?
A fat lip, a Paddy eye and a job!

What's the difference between a dead dog in a road and a dead Paddy in a road?
The dog has skid marks in front of it.

What do you call a Paddy priest?
Holy ****!

I had a Paddy in my family tree . . .
. . . he's still hanging there!

Why are trees so close in Harlem?
Public transportation.

How long does it take a female Paddy to take a ****?
9 months

Sam Vimes

why did the irishman cross the road? to go to the offo. why didnt he cross back? he was too drunk

Sam Vimes

some of those jokes were quite funny actually. look people, they're jokes. just relax. should we ban all websites with blonde jokes, they might be offended (three days later ) how about jokes about lawers? they might sue :eek: what you're all suggesting stinks of censorship and that pisses me off.

i dont want to live in a world where no one is allowed to say anything that offends anyone else. it'd be horribly boring. anyone see that episode of south park where everyone was offended by the nativity play so they kept on changing it til it ended up as some bizarre piece of crap?

inciting racial hatred is one thing and its illegal for a reason but a joke is joke and should be taken as such. lighten up and learn to laugh at yourself, you'll live longer.

Blisterman

Heres a joke
3 men of different ethnic groups enter a location. They are each asked a question, the first 2 answer sensibly, but the third one gives a stupid answer, embarrasing his ethnic group terribly.

de5p0i1er

Winters wrote:

Racism is funny. Get over it.

Gotta agree with you on that one. No matter how unpc I'm been.

Pigman II

Blisterman wrote:

Heres a joke
3 men of different ethnic groups enter a location. They are each asked a question, the first 2 answer sensibly, but the third one gives a stupid answer, embarrasing his ethnic group terribly.

It's funny cos it's true! People of that particular ethnicity would say something like that.

BlitzKrieg

Friend of mine summed it up quite nicely.

If you are Irish you are fully allowed to offend and b*tch and moan about Ireland, the irish and Bertie ahern + Government. IF you are not Irish SHUT THE F*CK UP.

(replace Irish and Ireland and Bertie ahern with the nationality, nation and head of government of whatever nation your from and that is who you can offend)

She applies this to everything. She's allowed make fun of her university, but i'm not. She is allowed to make gay jokes (cause she's a lesbian) but i'm not, we both can tell fat jokes. But i'm not allowed tell sexist jokes unless i'm sleeping with someone...


Its a sensible way of looking at it in my opinion.

Wacker

Okay, I'm about to get some serious stick here, but such is life!

I will tell jokes about virtually anything. I have only ever heard one joke that I thought was too disgusting to tell (let me assure you, it was horrible!). I mean, I know dozens of jokes about killing babies, most of which I like. Who really takes such things seriously? Not me. The whole humour is in the fact that they are so truly ludicrous.
What do all jokes I tell have in common: They are JOKES. They have absolutely no basis in reality at all. I have no problem with telling most racits jokes (some I just don't find funny), but I always warn people in advance. There is not one iota of racism in my character. I tell racist jokes and am not a racist, in exactly the same way that I tell baby jokes and I'm not a baby killer.
I have seen and heard people telling racist jokes that I had a problem with, but that was because I got the impression that these guys believed what they were saying a bit. It would have offended me just as much had they just been having a racist conversation.
Basically, a racist is a racist. A joker is a joker. There is a chasm in between.

vector

"Don't care"

I don't think of myself as being "Irish" or any nationality
those days are gone

Years ago if I had said an "irish man" you would have pictured a white person*, but these says he could be of any race, what does it mean to be "irish" race? no ability to speak irish? no etc

and the same goes for other nationalities being irish is just having an irish passport

* standard race disclaimer: race herein is used solely as an example of a personal variable, the author is not promoting or demoting any particular race

Prior Of Taize

You cant predict someones reaction to a joke/comment.

So if it doesnt need to be said then dont f*cking say it.

Eoin Madsen

Prior Of Taize wrote:

You cant predict someones reaction to a joke/comment.

You can if you know them, which is possibly where many people make the mistake. You can tell any kind of depraved, racist, or discriminatory joke to your friends, because they know you're joking. Making the same inappropriate joke in public displays a fairly serious lack of social awareness and tact. What is often forgotton or perhaps ignored is that while one might find it easier to escape the repercussions of such behavior through anonymity, an internet forum is none-the-less a public place.

But I still don't think an Irish person taking the piss out of Irish people to other Irish people necessarily qualifies. I have to admit, this thread has made me think about it. There is a grey area that I can intuit from situation to situation but have difficultly defining in a general context... which troubles me.

djmarkus

The people have spoken, Let there be racist jokes!

shoegirl

Hagar wrote:

Due to the proximity of Britain and a common, enforced on us, language we are greatly influenced by their media. We have reached almost a Terry Wogan like trance state where we forget who we actually are. We are Irish, they are British. We are different despite our similarities.

“Paddyism” is a racial stereotype born in Britain over the last hundred years or more. Early caricatures of gorilla like men became the norm in the British press. The “great” British public was lead to believe that they were in some way superior to us. We were classed as sub-human. This anti-Irish sentiment became more prevalent as the conflict in the North worsened. Our whole race was demonised so that what was being done to our fellow Irishmen in the North could be justified as not happening to proper people. Because we were not seen by the powers that be in Britain as a distinct race we gained no protection through their race laws.

I think you are right in your basic premise that racist jokes are unfunny, but I think you've made two mistakes here.
1. Racial stereotyping was not just about irish people and NOT because of proximity. Similar stereotyping was (and is) done about French, Germans, Swedes, jews, arabs etc. And in particular Africans. Much of the more annoying racial stereotyping is done because of perceived differences rather than actual ones - eg "lazy irish", "industrious Germans", etc.
2. "We are Irish, they are British. We are different despite our similarities." This does kinda contradict what most people usually insinuate when taking up racist/anti-racist positions. The racist brigade tend to justify their cause by insisting that people ARE difference (and that the "other" is inferior), whereas generally anti-racists insist that the differences are superficial (such as colour). As it so happens "british" people have not been ethnically distinct since the 19th century. In fact many of the same races that make up "irish" enthnicity also make up "british" ethnicity. What the racism was based on was stereotypes based on nationality - which had no basis, and created differences where they don't exist.

As to the question. I'm a dont know. I don't think all paddy-jokes are inherents unfunny or racist - just some of them.

WhiteWashMan

BlitzKrieg wrote:

Friend of mine summed it up quite nicely.

If you are Irish you are fully allowed to offend and b*tch and moan about Ireland, the irish and Bertie ahern + Government. IF you are not Irish SHUT THE F*CK UP.

(replace Irish and Ireland and Bertie ahern with the nationality, nation and head of government of whatever nation your from and that is who you can offend)

She applies this to everything. She's allowed make fun of her university, but i'm not. She is allowed to make gay jokes (cause she's a lesbian) but i'm not, we both can tell fat jokes. But i'm not allowed tell sexist jokes unless i'm sleeping with someone...


Its a sensible way of looking at it in my opinion.

perhaps she can tell you waht your favourite colour is and what you favourite food is while shes telling you how and what to think.

i have no problem with racist jokes.


i do have a problem with actual racism and people who subscribe to racist thouhts.
i ws very shocked at christmas when a friend of mine in a drunken state claimed that black africans should not be allowed into britain, because they are all uneducated, and they take the jobs that the poor people of britain could do.
of course, this person is zimbabwian, so i guess i shouldnt have been too surprised, but it always does surprise me when people are like that because i tend to judge everyone by my own standards. and thats not something that i would ever think.

as for the whole irish english thing, get over it. the amount of anti english and american racism that goes on on these boards is exraordinary. check out the george bush at t he baseball game for some good examples of the future of ireland casting aspersions about the american people...

Dades

WhiteWashMan wrote:

perhaps she can tell you waht your favourite colour is and what you favourite food is while shes telling you how and what to think.

So now agreeing with somebody else essentially makes you a sheep?
I find that idea somewhat petty and not a little insecure.

And WELL DONE Hagar for the posting the most racist jokes I've heard in some time.

This is racist:

What do Nikes and the KKK have in common?
They both make Paddys run fast!

This is not:

Q: How do you sink an Irish submarine?
A: Knock on the hatch.

Why not? Because you can substitute ANY race and still have a joke. It's so harmless it wouldn't matter anyway.

Have some perspective.

seamus

A Catholic, a Protestant and a Jew walk in to a bar.
The barman says, "Is this some kind of joke?".

WhiteWashMan

The Atheist wrote:

So now agreeing with somebody else essentially makes you a sheep?
I find that idea somewhat petty and not a little insecure.
.

really. someone telling you what you can make fun of and not make fun of is not being a sheep. its having someone form your opinions for you. at least sheep choose to follow.

please, stop and think about it before you post

insecure? yeah. whatever.

cournioni

A joke is a joke.

Dades

WhiteWashMan wrote:

really. someone telling you what you can make fun of and not make fun of is not being a sheep. its having someone form your opinions for you. at least sheep choose to follow.

WTF?

Nobody told anybody what to think. An opinion was expressed which the poster agreed with. Have you never had someone give an opinion and thought; Yeah - that makes a lot of sense - I couldn't have put it better myself... ?

WhiteWashMan wrote:

please, stop and think about it before you post

Always. I just wonder about other people.

pickarooney

WhiteWashMan wrote:

perhaps she can tell you waht your favourite colour is and what you favourite food is while shes telling you how and what to think.

i have no problem with racist jokes.


i do have a problem with actual racism and people who subscribe to racist thouhts.
i ws very shocked at christmas when a friend of mine in a drunken state claimed that black africans should not be allowed into britain, because they are all uneducated, and they take the jobs that the poor people of britain could do.
of course, this person is zimbabwian, so i guess i shouldnt have been too surprised, but it always does surprise me when people are like that because i tend to judge everyone by my own standards. and thats not something that i would ever think.

as for the whole irish english thing, get over it. the amount of anti english and american racism that goes on on these boards is exraordinary. check out the george bush at t he baseball game for some good examples of the future of ireland casting aspersions about the american people...

I know, there's even people making generaliations about Zimbabweans, it has to stop

BlitzKrieg

WhiteWashMan wrote:

really. someone telling you what you can make fun of and not make fun of is not being a sheep. its having someone form your opinions for you. at least sheep choose to follow.

i can see how you would see it that way, i guess i didnt explain it clearly. If i make a joke about gay people this woman would clobber me over the head with the nearest solid object she could find. But she makes gay jokes all the time with her girlfriend, now of course i dont try an get testy with her about it, similer we are both irish but she has never gone at me with violence when i have made jokes about kerrymen or corkmen etc but i've seen her get pissed at people from outside ireland about it.

So in reality she hasnt told me what i can and cannot make fun of, but as friends i understand that she will get very moody and angry with me if i make fun of things that i have no experiance of, (much in the same way i would get annoyed when she doesnt clean up after herself). And in my opinion i think its a sensible way to approach to the topic of this thread.


But i can see how you could come to that conclusion, i simplified it too much.

pickarooney

She sounds like she just went gay for the jokes.

BlitzKrieg

i dont know...you should see her girlfriend...

the_syco

Hagar wrote:

Popular opinion has it that what I'm about to post is not racist. :mad:

It's all good because it says "Paddy" everwhere and not the "n" word.

One irishman can call another irishman a paddy. An englishman calls an irishman a paddy, and I'll call him a loylist orange english piece of sh|t.

One coloured person often calls another coloured person a n|gger, and its OK. If a white man calls a coloured person a n|gger, the white man will get the crap kicked out of him, or get sued.

/me does a copy and replace of all the jokes, replacing "paddy" with "english chav", and emails them to a few mates.

Pigman II

pickarooney wrote:

She sounds like she just went gay for the jokes.

Wasn't that an episode of seinfeld?

vector

Pigman II wrote:

Wasn't that an episode of seinfeld?

no, that was in the introduction to one episode, where he is joking on stage, he considers becoming gay, in a jocular manner, just to extend his wardrobe

Pigman II

No what I meant wasn't there an ep where the dentist converts to Judaism and Jerry is convinced he only did it so he's could start cracking jewish jokes (i guess he followed the same rulebook as the fat lesbian earlier in this thread).

pickarooney

Yep, it was his dentist, who made crappy Jewish jokes.