Which games have aged worst?

thelordofcheese

thelordofcheese wrote:

Only slightly more funny was the way that a run down either wing, followed by a cross would magically find your strikers head and result in a goal about 70% of the time...

iregk wrote:

So its kind of like FIFA 2005 so...

90% of my goals are crosses and headers, can't miss...

Once again proof that sega were ahead of their time...

johnny_ultimate

Deadwing wrote:

Yeah i remember being blown away by MOH back in the day. It was a class game, before EA turned it into another one of thier cash cows and sullied its good name with crap like rising sun

Yeah i did enjoy the original MOH back in the day. That is until a dodgy PS1 sequel and then THOSE next gen MOH games tarnished my memory of it. I just gave up after frontline. Note to EA : A good first level doesnt make a good game

TerrorFirmer

johnny_ultimate wrote:

Yeah i did enjoy the original MOH back in the day. That is until a dodgy PS1 sequel and then THOSE next gen MOH games tarnished my memory of it. I just gave up after frontline. Note to EA : A good first level doesnt make a good game

The thing about MoH Underground was that it started off terribly, and really turned me off the game. Some of the later levels and weapons are fantastic, and by that stage it really once more feels like playing the Original MoH....that is, if you can stick it long enough to reach the good parts. The opening few levels in Paris needed serious, serious work....the levels in Paris, North Africa and the Castle are great though...

Frontline on PS2 and Xbox is a great game. Couldn't really ask for more, loved the game to bits. Rising Sun, now, it was reasonable as a stand alone game, but it had none of the MoH atmosphere or feel....really disappointing game!

Deadwing

In fairness moh on the pc was great, and still looks..okayish..today. Not a patch on COD, but still fun, and the beach landing level in it kicks the holy livin crap outta the beach landing of frontline

Retr0gamer

I was very disappointed by MOH underground. There were some good levels but it just wasn't as consistently good as the first game. And the last two joke levels especially with the knights did my head in. Frontline started great, Omaha beach was a little disappointing because the PC version was so much better but the second level was excellent. After the shipyard is was a bit of a dull corridor shooter with a hand full of decent levels.

I loved MOH:AA. Up until COD there was no better WW2 FPS game.

amp

Kind of a hard question to answer given that I generally only remember the games I've played for a while and I tend to forget games I didn't play at all or very little.

If it's the demise of a franchise then I think my vote would be for Sim City. Simcity 2000 was where it peaked for me and the subsequent versions just didn't seem to catch me like that did. Likewise the second Deus Ex "game" just annoyed me more than anything else, but I think that's because they decided to get into the console market and thus killed off the game play which began with System Shock.

Lastly, I think the game I played a lot that I will never play again would be Combat for the Atari 2600. Apart from an amusing teleport exploit, the game was boring as hell and I only played it because it was the only game I had for it apart from Pacman.

Deadwing

on the other hand, one gme i think has ages fantastically has to be quake3. I played it today and the graphics still look implressive in it, over 4 years later

1huge1

how about the whole fifa series (was good for like a day)

the_syco

jaggeh wrote:

anyone ever play 8 player cannonball run? now that was fun.

Hell yeah:cool::cool::cool: Hope they have something like it in MultiTheftAuto:San Andreas. They did mention a race mod... so me hopes its something like it.

arbeitsscheuer

thelordofcheese wrote:

I think Sega Worldwide Soccer '98 had Jack Charlton doing commentary, and it's probably the most unintentionally hilarious thing ever.

Only slightly more funny was the way that a run down either wing, followed by a cross would magically find your strikers head and result in a goal about 70% of the time...

Oooh, dunno bout that... Remember Fifa International Soccer on the MegaDrive?

Whenever you were gonna get booked/sent off, the ref had to run over to you and then pull out a card - but all we used to do was leg it off away from him!

Used to have hours of fun just runnin' around the pitch a la Tom n Jerry!
Probably more fun than the game itself, tbh.

iregk

This is a little off topic, actually the complete opposite but for a game that is now fairly old hasn't unreal tournament aged beautifully...

dearg_doom

MobileInfantry wrote:

The thing about MoH Underground was that it started off terribly, and really turned me off the game. Some of the later levels and weapons are fantastic, and by that stage it really once more feels like playing the Original MoH....that is, if you can stick it long enough to reach the good parts. The opening few levels in Paris needed serious, serious work....the levels in Paris, North Africa and the Castle are great though...

Frontline on PS2 and Xbox is a great game. Couldn't really ask for more, loved the game to bits. Rising Sun, now, it was reasonable as a stand alone game, but it had none of the MoH atmosphere or feel....really disappointing game!

Have to agree with ye about MOH:U!

The Crete level is my fave MOH level ever, it's full of so many neat little touches like flirting with and taking pix of the self important Nazis before shooting them between the eyes; and the warroom in the game is the best in a MOH game too.

It's just a pity about that motorcycle carriage level, that horribly designed mess is all that stopped me from getting a 100% game; which pissed me off a lot.

dearg_doom

ExOffender wrote:

Can't believe everyone's so down on GTA! The top-down versions blow, I agree, but I never played them. My mate gave me GTA after I got 3, and I'm like wtf?!?! How could anyone play this sh*te? Vice City was class, ok, it was basically just an update of 3, but SA is a whole new game! I confess I don't know much about the techy side of things, but you're all ignoring just how massive the game is. Of course it doesn't look the Mae West; graphics have been sidelined to concentrate on size. All this reminds me of a conversation I was having at a party the other weekend (do I not rock? :rolleyes: ). Will post thread in due course.
The reason so many early 3d games have aged worse than late-generation 2d games is just that... 2d games 1990 and up were building on 10 - 15 years of experience, precedent and the mistakes of others, they were at the top of the 2d ladder. Being that the first 3d games were at the bottom of the 3d ladder, naturally they're only going to get worse, look embarrassingly crap, etc. Even the gameplay ware was new, and thank f*ck they've improved.

That's a great point, that we all forget sometimes:)

We are only about 12 years into the 3-d era; so it's like the games we are playing now are on a par with the early NES games, so there's plenty of room for improvment(as if we didnt already know that) until we reach the zenith of a 3-d SuperMetroid.. or something.



(anyone who mentions Prime will be fed to the dogs, hopefully someone gets my point:))

andyps2.5

I don't like these new 3d worm games. The old 2d games were simple, fun and easy to learn. The 3d games however have terriable controls. Because its 3d now you have to worry about angle of attack and distance. In the 2d games all you had to do was guess direction and much power you need in your attack. Even the movies in the 3d games have become less funny.

Lord Oz

Final Fantasy 7, despite being an excellent RPG it looks pretty bad by todays standards.

Retr0gamer

Lord Oz wrote:

Final Fantasy 7, despite being an excellent RPG it looks pretty bad by todays standards.

And yet only a handful of PRGs can match it in gameplay and story.

evad_lhorg

Stop talking about graphicsw. obviously old games will look cack compared to todays. but its when a game feels really unplayable you realise how well theyve come on with controls games.

goldeneye being one. conkers bad fur day being another. the shooting bits are awful! I also find after playin wind waker that the controls in Ocarina of time are very sluggish.

tekken was always a crap fighter tbh.

I find pretty much the majority of old "retro" games to be boring. like NES games for instance. They really were crappy with the exceptino of a smal few. the snes however is still amazing. I could play mario world or zombies ate my neighbours for ages....

Pugsley

Deadwing wrote:

on the other hand, one gme i think has ages fantastically has to be quake3. I played it today and the graphics still look implressive in it, over 4 years later

Agreed, was at a LAN on Sunday and we got a game of Quake3 going for a laugh, about 10 players, was mad fun. Really has kept its charm, and gameplay.

RE*AC*TOR

don't know if it has been mentioned - as I'm not bothered reading you blathering idiots

but... Desert/Jungle Strike on the megadrive.

andyps2.5

Lord Oz wrote:

Final Fantasy 7, despite being an excellent RPG it looks pretty bad by todays standards.

I agree ff7 does look a bit dated and ff10 and ff10.2 didn't bring much to the seris. But sqauresoft are bring claod from ff10 into a new game called final fantasy : advent children :cool: . The game looks incredable but we will be waiting a while because the game is for the ps3.

Retr0gamer

andyps2.5 wrote:

I agree ff7 does look a bit dated and ff10 and ff10.2 didn't bring much to the seris. But sqauresoft are bring claod from ff10 into a new game called final fantasy : advent children :cool: . The game looks incredable but we will be waiting a while because the game is for the ps3.

FF: Advent Children will be a DVD video and not a game. No FF games have been announced for PS3.

andyps2.5

Retr0gamer wrote:

FF: Advent Children will be a DVD video and not a game. No FF games have been announced for PS3.

Ahh Bugger. Oh Well at least the other ps3 games will be good

Retr0gamer

Well the problem is that we haven't seen any PS3 games. Everything that was shown was either a tech demo or a Pre-render. The confirmed games aren't all that impressive even though we basically only have names to go on.

andyps2.5

I wouldn't say that. Now i will agree that the ps3 is a while away. but there have been plenty of ps3 movies. So far killzone 2 is the best. whats more their seems to be a new line up of ps3 movies nearly every mount. the situation is simular to the PSP. it may only a few weeks away, were only getting movies and tech demos. but theres a lot of them.

Retr0gamer

andyps2.5 wrote:

I wouldn't say that. Now i will agree that the ps3 is a while away. but there have been plenty of ps3 movies. So far killzone 2 is the best. whats more their seems to be a new line up of ps3 movies nearly every mount. the situation is simular to the PSP. it may only a few weeks away, were only getting movies and tech demos. but theres a lot of them.

The Killzone 2 video isn't from the game it's prerendered just like every other game shown so far. As for the PSP, it has been out a while now in every other territory :rolleyes: Played a bit of Ridge Racers myself. Graphically impressive but not all that great to play. There are however other better games out for the PSP launch. I wouldn't be getting one when it is released in Europe. They are far cheaper on import and also have the firmware for homebrew.

andyps2.5

Thanks for the tip but don't intend to get a psp. to me it looks a handheld ps2 with a better media player. im not spending my money on that when i already have a ps2. besides im more interested in ps3.

Hercule

Sony has gone on record and said that to prevent the use of homebrew software they would release games with compulsory firmware updates, which means that when you get the newest release game your firmware must be updated automatically befoe you are able to play your new game. The purchase of specific versions of PSP with different firmware (1.5 etc) for above what you would pay for a newer vesion is irrelevant as eventually those busy hackers we all know and love will have "cracked" the next firmware update. Stopping homebrew software when an army of nerds is busy beavering away at new "cracks" is gonna be almost impossible for sony regardless of firmware updates imho - we can all play emulated roms on our PSP's!

CiDeRmAn

Tomb Raider, played it on PC and Saturn when it came out but always knew, even then, that it was strictly filler til Mario 64 got a pal release.
As for Starwing/StarFox, for its proper frame rate you have to play the NTSC version, a lot smoother and playable, still brilliant, and the subsequent versions have done nothing to improve the series.
VirtuaRacing, this has a clean asthetic going on. very smooth in the arcades, especially on the three monitior version, I have Megadrive, 32X and Saturn versions, if I was to pick the best it would be the 32X although hats off to sega fpr the Megadrive SVP version.
Megarace on the 3DO really blows now, when I got the machine I had it along with Burnong soldier, also one that blows, didn't stop me from nearly wearing out the discs though. Total eclipse also sucked big time, although Return Fire is still one of the best 2 player games ever, good for one as well with maps 'o death.
Street Fighter 2 was always lost on me, but are still fantastic compared to the steaming pile of faeces that are the Mortal Kombat series, utter trash, awarding the random button smasher more than the gamer, with, ohh! digitised graphics! Drag the twat who made this out and gut him, please

Deadwing

Retr0gamer wrote:

The Killzone 2 video isn't from the game it's prerendered just like every other game shown so far. As for the PSP, it has been out a while now in every other territory :rolleyes: Played a bit of Ridge Racers myself. Graphically impressive but not all that great to play. There are however other better games out for the PSP launch. I wouldn't be getting one when it is released in Europe. They are far cheaper on import and also have the firmware for homebrew.

now now retro, lets get our facts straight here..
according to sony, it was in game footage, just not being played in real time. one of thier ceo's went on record a while ago to say it was 100% in game stuff. Whether or not yo believe that is another matter altogether tho...

Retr0gamer

Deadwing wrote:

now now retro, lets get our facts straight here..
according to sony, it was in game footage, just not being played in real time. one of thier ceo's went on record a while ago to say it was 100% in game stuff. Whether or not yo believe that is another matter altogether tho...

Believe Sony marketing hype? When was the last time they told anything that wasn't lies.

monument

ExOffender wrote:

Can't believe everyone's so down on GTA! The top-down versions blow, I agree, but I never played them. My mate gave me GTA after I got 3, and I'm like wtf?!?! How could anyone play this sh*te?

It had this magic thing called good game play.

andyps2.5

monument wrote:

It had this magic thing called good game play.

I cant belive ExOffender dosn't like GTA. gta 3 wasn't the best but vice city and san andreas rule

TerrorFirmer

andyps2.5 wrote:

I cant belive ExOffender dosn't like GTA. gta 3 wasn't the best but vice city and san andreas rule

I actually like GTA3 the most...

Borat_Sagdiyev

monument wrote:

It had this magic thing called good game play.

Damn right.

A lot of people here are saying that the graphics in the GTA series in general is poor. I'm not going to argue, they aren't top class. But GTA was never about looking bright and shiney. GTA was always about having a laugh while playing a game, having no limit to what you wanted to do. If you want to piss the cops off by killing a few people, and then killing the cops when they attack you, that is a possibility the game will allow. Its the same in 3, Vice City, and SA. So CJ's hands look like the fingers are stuck together, big deal. The people are unrealistic looking? I don't give a sh!t. The game does what it was designed to do and thats ensure the player enjoys it.

dearg_doom

@Deadwing: Probably Kutaragi;)

@CiDeRmAn: I agree with you completely about MK's graphics, I never knew what the fuss was about them.. to me the realistcy stuff just emphasised how **** graphics really are! But I remember hordes of people loving MK over SF purely because it was more 'real' :rollseyes:

dearg_doom

MobileInfantry wrote:

I actually like GTA3 the most...

Me too, VC had a special charm though, hearing all these songs from when I was young, and it kicked off the whole 80's revival. But 3 had a deadly story. And a hawt oriental dominatrix:D

Deadwing

GTA3 was the real innovator, VC & SA are jsut gta3 with bells and whistles

ExOffender

Just to clarify, it's the top-down versions of GTA that bite, ie, Grand Theft Auto, Grand Theft Auto London, and I think there's one other. From 3 onwards they rock.
And I possibly could have gotten into them, but having played 3 first there was just no point for me. It's not like MGS where I'm looking forward to Subsistence because it will have fully playable versions of Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake. GTA's more about environment than linear narrative.

Retr0gamer

Well there is no linear narrative in the first 3 GTA games. And all three are still fantastic, there isn't any other game like them.

TerrorFirmer

Mortal Kombat is THE fighting game.

Street fighter is good too but its so.....eh.

I still play Mortal Kombat trilogy on my Psone, great game. I find Steet Fighter 2 boring after about 2 minutes unless you have friends. I know they are both by and large intended as multiplayer games but I find it miles more fun playing MK anyday.

Its wierd, even though MK2 was on Snes, and SF2 on the MD, its still largely associated as MK/MD and SF/SNES

Retr0gamer

MobileInfantry wrote:

Mortal Kombat is THE fighting game.

Street fighter is good too but its so.....eh.

I still play Mortal Kombat trilogy on my Psone, great game. I find Steet Fighter 2 boring after about 2 minutes unless you have friends. I know they are both by and large intended as multiplayer games but I find it miles more fun playing MK anyday.

Its wierd, even though MK2 was on Snes, and SF2 on the MD, its still largely associated as MK/MD and SF/SNES

MK1 had blood on the Megadrive but was an avsolute dog of a game. the Snes one played very close to the arcade game but had no blood so everybody realised the game stunk on the arcade game anyway. Subsequent MK games were always vastly superior on the Snes. the megadrive conversions were handled by Probe software, a comany known for doing some of the worst arcade conversions ever. MK2 was probably their worst conversion. Almost all combos were removed for no good reason. MK3 introduced combos that took 3 minutes to learn and were way too powerful. The rest of the games aren't very good.

As for MK better than SF2. I hope you are joking. MK has always been a fireball and jump kick fest. there are no other tactics except in MK 3 when a combo will take off a stupidly huge chunk of health with no chance to retaliate. All characters have the same basic move set which do the same damage. This means that the characters with the best special moves will always have a huge advantage. Mortal Kombat was always crap. A bit of blood and dodgy digitised graphics meant it got far more attention than it deserved.

SF2 on the other hand is a beautifully made piece of software. Excellently balanced characters despite the characters playing very differently, fantastic combo system and gameplay that is extremely tactical and dynamic unlike the jump kick fest of the MK games. Every move in street fighter 2 is counterable.

dearg_doom

SF2 was a SNES launch title in Europe.

All the babies got MarioWorld, and all the cool kidz got SF2.

Both still excellent games to play, I wonder how many of the next gen's launch titles we'll be playing in 15years??!

CiDeRmAn

Perhaps Progect Gotham 3? Maybe? Bugger all else though, will have to wait to see what Nintendo bring out on the Revolution.

I really liked the original GTA games on the PS1, maybe because I was a well seasoned gamer by then, but I loved the music, the free-roaming nature of it all, the London one was a glorified mission pack but good fun none the less and GTA2 was pretty interesting as it introduced the gang dynamic, keeping one side sweet, playing them off of each other, as has been said before, its all about the gameplay. Really if you startes playing games on the PS2 there is no way you will appreciate these titles as we did at the time, seeing them as historical relics rather than as thing that were new and fun once upon a time.

Still are when I pop my rose tintes specs on!

Still love Magic Carpet on my PS1 and Need 4 Speed on my 3DO, never get old.

astrofool

2d Nes games do look awful. I guess its that the Snes/MD took 2D basically as far as it would go, and so even newer 2D games aren't vastly superior.

In 3d terms, DC games still look very good (the first second generation 3d game), I don't see the likes of Soul Caliber on the DC looking bad in a few years time, as its still up there with even newer Xbox/PS2 games in the looks department.

PC wise, the q3 engine seems to have aged fairly well, and Unreal was a great game, with lots of subtlety to it, some people however are too uncouth to "get" it .

honru

I think the Donkey Kong Country games have aged badly. Looked amazing for the time but the gameplay was just average, wasn't bringing anything specifically new to the table.