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merlante wrote:I don't put much stock and store in individual surveys, tbh.merlante wrote:… they were outvoted by vested interests. .merlante wrote:I'm not going to argue too much about this because my figure of 3 jobs (iirc.) being generated by one 1 high quality civil service job, was not arrived at by me. I believe that this figure is frequently quoted in the media. But feel free to dismiss it like everything else I can't immediately and emphatically prove to your satisfaction. .merlante wrote:I'm not saying, per se, that Dublin is better funded than the south east, what I am saying is that Dublin is given infrastructure automatically, when it needs it. .merlante wrote:I think that if the time were taken to properly examine the Western Rail Corridor and motorway, it would be seen that in about 20/30 years, it would start to pay off.
discussing the McCann report in you are interested.
This contrasts with studies on the reopening of the Navan line, and, indeed, the Dublin Rail Plan. All of these plans show real benefits, but no decision has been taken regarding funding. The idea that Dublin ‘automatically’ gets funding is another misconception. The Port Tunnel, the M50, were all established as necessary decades before anything was actually done.0 -
Okay, ishmael, you're starting to construe my arguments as fatally biased and ill conceived, so I think it's time to call it a day on this discussion. Hopefully another, with as much knowledge of the radiotherapy case as I have about the university case would see you similarly humbled. But I have no interest in spending the day reading your reports.
For your information, there were vested interests involved in the creation of the radiotherapy report, just as there will be in a Waterford University report. Asking hospitals or universities to accept a new kid on the block is like asking Turkeys to vote for Christmas. The correct approach would be to ask international experts about the case. But you see, if you pick the panel, you pick the result, and that is Ireland through and through. Another truism that Dublin people reject outright. Luckily it doesn't exist in their world. I'm not going to discuss this any further, but feel to have the last word if you wish.
As for your startling evidence about a Navan train line being more viable than a western rail corridor. We are trying to implement a thing called the National Spatial Strategy in this country. Building yet another train line to Dublin would be another blow for spatial planning, and would drive Ireland closer to an inefficient city state. Building infrastructure in the regional capitals gives more bang for the tax payers buck and gives people an alternative to Dublin to live and work. If these capitals are not linked up in some manner than we might as well forget about the strategy right now. If you have time to read one more report today, try the National Spatial Strategy.0 -
merlante wrote:I have no interest in spending the day reading your reports.merlante wrote:As for your startling evidence about a Navan train line being more viable than a western rail corridor. We are trying to implement a thing called the National Spatial Strategy in this country.
I have already provided a link above to a thread that discusses the Western Rail Corridor. If you want to base your opinion on something more than a superficial idea that any project with ‘Western’ in the title must be vital to the NSS you could start there.0 -
ishmael whale wrote:What sounds more accurate is you find it hard to assimilate inconvenient facts that upset your preconceptions.But, more to the point, open your mind.In other words, medical opinion was not, as you said, evenly divided.
On the research argument side of things, I think you are quite ignorant. Not all research takes place in universities. A lot of research takes place in industry. And much of it is covered by NDAs (Non-Disclosure Agreements). It only makes the pseudo-technology pages of the Irish Times when the developers provide their "technology journalists" with a press release. Enterprise Ireland only gets to see the research where it has possibly grant aided the company. But most research is product based and often when it hits the market, it does so as part of a bigger product or a modification to a bigger product.
Where patents and intellectual property issues exist, things are always kept low profile and most businesses developing such products would not comment when doing research. University research tends to be, generally, non-commercial but there is a growing cooperation with industry and joint research is being carried out in conjunction with operations like WIT's TSSG and other Third Level research groups. This is the heart of research in this country.
Merlante's idea of ignoring you as a troll seems a good one.
Regards...jmcc0 -
jmcc wrote:I regard you as someone who displays an almost Aspergian belief in reports and surveysjmcc wrote:no empathy for the people who suffer from cancer or their families.jmcc wrote:Furthermore you only seem to quote from reports that support your dubious point of view.jmcc wrote:On the research argument side of things, I think you are quite ignorant.jmcc wrote:Merlante's idea of ignoring you as a troll seems a good one.0
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Starve the troll, jmcc.
Hopefully we'll spot the next one quicker, eh?0 -
merlante wrote:Starve the troll, jmcc.
Hopefully we'll spot the next one quicker, eh?
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merlante wrote:Starve the troll, jmcc.Hopefully we'll spot the next one quicker, ehjmcc wrote:Yep. It is a good job he was not waffling on about how great an idea eVoting is and how secure the eVoting model was. Things could have really gotten unpleasant.
What Merlante really means is your arguments are so dreadful that it would actually do more to assist your case if you said nothing.
While I’m here, the UK has a lower marginal propensity to import than Ireland so demand expansion there is not as meaningless as here. This means there might actually be a marginal benefit to a locality getting a civil service office. Roughly how much of a benefit, I hear you cry with your customary thirst for knowledge.http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/story.jsp?story=663067
Ulster Unionist Assembly member Samuel Gardiner said tens of thousands of Civil Service jobs were being moved out of London and Dublin….
"Sir Michael Lyons, who carried out the Government's review of the Civil Service, has revealed that up to 50 jobs could be created in local areas for every 100 Civil Service jobs moved."merlante wrote:If you bring 200/300 jobs, with maybe 125 new people in to a town, then another bunch of people will need to get their hair cut, need a chemist or a doctor or a dentist, that will comparison and food shop in the area. I'm not going to argue too much about this because my figure of 3 jobs (iirc.) being generated by one 1 high quality civil service job, was not arrived at by me. I believe that this figure is frequently quoted in the media.0 -
jmcc wrote:Yep. It is a good job he was not waffling on about how great an idea eVoting is and how secure the eVoting model was. Things could have really gotten unpleasant.
Regards...jmcc
Wasn't it Dempsey that used those machines in an election?0 -
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Not one, but two Elections were held with e-voting representing 10% of the population.. Cullen was the fall guy for this mess... An Taoiseach backed the e-voting idea to the hilt.
If only the press would get their act together and start blaming Dempsey for introducing it in the first instance0 -
Bards wrote:Not one, but two Elections were held with e-voting representing 10% of the population.. Cullen was the fall guy for this mess... An Taoiseach backed the e-voting idea to the hilt.
If only the press would get their act together and start blaming Dempsey for introducing it in the first instance
Cullen took a big fall, because he has no friends in FF. It's amazing how much the media took to knocking him, though, considering the cabinet were in favour, and considering Dempsey's trials had been considered successful.
Regarding the machines themselves, they might well,
a) Be used in a future election.
b) Be sold on to some other country like the US, who use them.
They are not aging, because they are all being stored at a high grade, environmental spec.
I don't consider the 70 million lost, but it will certainly be lost if ministers like Dick Roche are too scared to touch them.
Of course the media never talks about any of this, and prefers to bash Cullen for wasting public money.
It's a pity because it was a good idea, poorly implemented, and now we'll be using paper for years to come, probably.0 -
merlante wrote:Cullen took a big fall, because he has no friends in FF. It's amazing how much the media took to knocking him, though, considering the cabinet were in favour, and considering Dempsey's trials had been considered successful.
Cullen is a bit more ruthless than some of the other politicians and his political management has been better.
They are not aging, because they are all being stored at a high grade, environmental spec.It's a pity because it was a good idea, poorly implemented, and now we'll be using paper for years to come, probably.)
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jmcc wrote:(Just waiting for Ishmael Whale to try to produce a report about the brilliant security of the NEDAP/Powervote system by some non-entity.
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Of course you're right, Dempsey was the Minister responsible for introducing e voting. Cullen just got caught with the ball. The only people who seem to have done it close to right are the Australians, where they just published the source code of the system. The source code that, of course, in our case the Irish government don't even own. Nice one, Noel.0 -
jmcc wrote:They are aging and the hardware is probably well out of date by now. From what I remember it is based on the Windows 98 software with a plug-in module that handles the voting data.
In fact, there is an argument for using older, well tested operating systems for these sorts of dedicated machines. Up until recently, for example, ATMs used cobol programmes running on a VAX, iirc. In order to display 'sexy' advertising on the ATMs, they then went with WIN NT. Now, for the first time, ATMs crash!
Similarly, calculators will keep doing their job forever without real need for upgrade, particularly if you store them with the e-voting machines and only take them out every few years.jmcc wrote:
I have grave reservations as to the security of the model of eVoting and in particular as to the quality and accuracy of the NEDAP software. Unlike the two "experts" rolled out by Cullen's PR, I do know about systems insecurity - I'm the guy who broke Sky's system first. (Just waiting for Ishmael Whale to try to produce a report about the brilliant security of the NEDAP/Powervote system by some non-entity.)
Regards...jmcc
It is true that the system is not perfect. But is it better than our current system? Probably. Still, I don't like the traceability issues that it suffers from.
Perhaps we should start a new thread!0 -
merlante wrote:In order to display 'sexy' advertising on the ATMs, they then went with WIN NT. Now, for the first time, ATMs crash!
Well that explains a lot, Win NT is such a heap of ****e! As are most windows releases, stupid bastards. :mad:0 -
To upgrade a good 3rd level college to a university amounts to the total loss of a good college where people can avil of good general education.
Universities ia a totla different scene and the S.E. and Waterford does need a University also, to rebuild the confidence in the area for the future years ahead.0 -
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Last post was in 2005.. we are now in 2008... Interesting bump
We decided a while back to stop all university discussions because people couldnt discuss it maturely. Im going to temp lock this thread while we discuss whether to allow the topic restart. When we have reached a decission, ill post back. Cheers.
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