Roswell and Area 51...

Beekay

What actually happened?

sterculelum

Try Wikipedia. Try Google. Some ****ed up stuff.

Beekay

But im looking to see do people have different views on it

sterculelum

Here's an idea: get 1000 ppl to march on Area 51 in a big line. They can't kill them all....

billy the squid

Beekay wrote:

What actually happened?

what are your views. If you intend to get a discussion going, then feel free to air your own views.

Beekay

At the moment i don't really have any views on it.Im still reading up on it and making my decision.I think that ET's exist but whether they have come here i don't know

billy the squid

whatever about whether roswell happened or didnt happen, Area 51 does exist, this is where the stelth fighter was developed, however, whether or not there are extraterrestrial craft, or beings whether they be living or dead, is unknown.

trishw78

Area 51 as we all know is the most unsecret sercet place we all know it exists and where it is... I do think they are testing and developing new technologies ie flight as previously stated Stelth Fighter... is there little Green men running around out there ??? Maybe 'cause I'm getting older but a few years ago I would have said YES but now I don't know I think they would have died a while ago if experiements were done on them and if they were any way hostile they would have been taken care of...

Has anybody considered that all the information/misinformation may have been put out there by the US government to scare people into staying away from A51 or joining the military to protect there country or the planet. But that it badly backfired...

I think that there are people in the US government with to much power, that they've either been given or they've just taken & nobody's stopped them...

"Who polices the police"

miju

1: They dont need to scare people away from Area 51 they have signs all over that area that explicitly say "THE USE OF LETHAL FORCE WILL BE USED BEYOND THIS POINT"

2: Area 51 is simply a research and development centre for the military the Stealth Bomber was developed there hell even the Blackbird came from there.

Some interesting facts about Area 51

1: The only road that goes into Area 51 is called widows highway because once staff goes into it they are "rumoured" to usually die within 3-5 years from some illness.

2: You can actually clearly see loads of different parts of Area 51 on Google Earth. It took me an hour to find and their are one or two walkthroughs around the net (but I'm not posting the link as the satisfaction of actually finding it after looking at sand is immense)

3: When a local very well known radio show ("in terms of the states local is quite big") put out a call for someone to ring from Area 51 and tell them about it they got a call. The guy sounded very nervous, kept saying that they were listening and closing in on him and so on, suddenly the recording goes dead for about 3 minutes. The presenter gets back apparently they had a huge power surge that knocked out the stations power and they had to run on backup generators, turns out the immediate area surrounding the station experience what could only be described as a MASSIVE EMP attack as everything electronic was knocked out. The guy who called never range back into the station

I can't remember the link to the MP3 of it but it is very interesting if anyone can find it.

Kersh

Roswell, iirc 1947 a flying object of some sort crashed near a roadway in New Mexico. Allegedly the US defence forces were there in double quick time, and herded the public away.
rumour has it the craft was a UFO, or at least a top secret USAF aircraft, apparently made of a strong light metallic material.
Story goes that the craft was taken to Hangar 18, a part of Area 51, and 3 alien beings were removed.
A lot of theories flying around about this one.
Any members of the public that seen anything swear it was a space craft, the US officials didnt clarify anything.
A good book I read on it years ago called ' Alien Liaisons' - cant remember the author, brings up a lot of info, some from ex workers at area 51.

miju

To be fully honest with I do believe in the existence of ET's (on the basis that given the whole size of this galaxy we cannot be the only intelligible lifeforms, but whehter or not they have developed interplanetary travel is another thing)

Anyways back to topic, I think the Roswell incident was simply an experimental military aircraft (maybe even a protoype stealth bomber) and the Government used the good old tool of disinformation to keep it under wraps.

I mean when you think about it experimental craft more than likely by their nature wouldnt look like convential aircraft and so the witnesses at the crash site would naturally say it was like nothing they'd ever seen before.

Given some of the new weapons that have been used in Iraq (in particular Afghanistan) I wouldnt be suprised if they all emerged from Area 51.

Undergod

I have seen footage of pilots flying open-topped flying saucers at Air Force bases. They were some of the worst aircraft ever designed. And someone told me about traing apes to fly craft, but that's just absurd. He says he has the internet site and saw the TV show to back it up.

miju

I know the footage that your talking about the craft was actually developed during the early 60's and the craft was actually a scaled down version of what was envisioned to be a much bigger craft from what I can recall.



It was very unstable and prone to exploding and worst of all couldnt get more than 5 feet off the ground and so the project was apparently scrapped mid '66-'67 only to re-emerge in the early 80 or 90’s as a Harrier or at least the US equivelant of it J

tolosenc

It beats me why all of this mysterious alien stuff only happens in the US. I mean surely to God they would have crashed in Russia or Europe at least once. But no. This leads me to believe that it is just all Super-High-Tech US Army stuff. Although i won't deny the existence of aliens

Lafortezza

I don't think the US Military would still be using Area 51 as their ultra-sekrit ET base. I'm sure they're happy to have Area 51 as the focus for all the conspiracy theorists while their real base with all the aliens and crazy stuff is actually hidden behind Washington's face at Mt. Rushmore.

angry_fox

Didint people say they saw flying orbs or something glowing over the lakes in north western ireland.

Maybe it was easier for the american government to say nothing about the Roswell crash, let peoples imaginations go wild about aliens while they develop new weapon systems in Area 51.

Lord Oz

I read that the crash at roswell was an experimental us aircraft, except they were using japanese pows from WW2, now if this ever got out it would be a major embarressment for the US, not to mention the legal implications. For the US military it would be easier if the public thought it was an alien crash.

Undergod

obl wrote:

It beats me why all of this mysterious alien stuff only happens in the US.

There's UFO hotspots all over the world. At least one in Ireland, there's ones in Belgium, France and many other places. US is just the most publicised.

And what about Tunguska? Some folk hold that was an ET craft.

tolosenc

Undergod wrote:

There's UFO hotspots all over the world. At least one in Ireland, there's ones in Belgium, France and many other places. US is just the most publicised.

And what about Tunguska? Some folk hold that was an ET craft.

What i meant was why are all the conspiracies on area 51 and not elsewhere, like Tunguska. All of supposed encounters happen there and not here. I don't think any other countries would cover up like the states. I mean, if there were aliens in the roswell craft and it had crashed in Canada or Mexico i think we'd know about it by now

Undergod

I umblestand. Good point. But there are things like the Puerto Rican goat sucker and... wait that's a US colony still, isn't it?

Good point.

billy the squid

Undergod wrote:

There's UFO hotspots all over the world. At least one in Ireland, there's ones in Belgium, France and many other places. US is just the most publicised.

And what about Tunguska? Some folk hold that was an ET craft.

indeed. those who are into the pirate radio scene would be familiar with the place known as Alien Mountain, in the north east of Ireland. numerous pirate radio stations have their transmitters here.

dlofnep

_raptor_ wrote:

3: When a local very well known radio show ("in terms of the states local is quite big") put out a call for someone to ring from Area 51 and tell them about it they got a call. The guy sounded very nervous, kept saying that they were listening and closing in on him and so on, suddenly the recording goes dead for about 3 minutes. The presenter gets back apparently they had a huge power surge that knocked out the stations power and they had to run on backup generators, turns out the immediate area surrounding the station experience what could only be described as a MASSIVE EMP attack as everything electronic was knocked out. The guy who called never range back into the station

I can't remember the link to the MP3 of it but it is very interesting if anyone can find it.

You are referring to a caller into Art Bell's coast to coast am show. I listen to that way back when. The caller called back at a later date and said it was a hoax.

Interestingly enough, the voice of the guy sounds a little different. Also, the sattelite for Art's radio show was knocked out of earth lock.. The electronics were not knocked off, just the sattellite.

The MP3: http://www.metatech.org/Art%20Bell%20Area%2051%20Call.mp3

The Dialogue:

"Hello Art? Art? Hi....I don't have a whole lot of time..um...I was a former employee of Area 51...I was let go on a medical discharge about a week ago...and...and...(starts to cry)...I kinda been running across the country...um...um....man....I don't know WHERE to start......they'll triangulate on this position really, really soon... (starting to break up and get more frantic--Art tells him to give us something quick>)...OK...um...um....What we're thinking of as Aliens ...they're EXTRA-DIMENSIONAL BEINGS...that an earlier precursor of the SPACE PROGRAM MADE CONTACT WITH...uh...they are NOT what they claim to be...uh...they have INFILTRATED a lot of aspects of the MILITARY ESTABLISHMENT particularily Area 51...uh...the DISASTERS that are coming...the GOVERNMENT knows about them....and there's a lot of SAFE AREAS in this WORLD THAT THEY COULD BEGIN MOVING THE POPULATION TO...N O W - Art.....but they are NOT doing anything about it... THEY WANT THE MAJOR POPULATION CENTERS - WIPED OUT SO THAT THE FEW THAT ARE LEFT WILL BE MORE EASILY CONTROLLABLE....(breaking up more, starting to cry...)...I started getting...." Silence - Art went off the air at that point.

dlofnep

Also, nothing much happens apparently at Area 51 anymore. It is supposidly used as a decoy for other lesser known bases. As far as Roswell goes, the incident was very real.

billy the squid

http://php.scripts.psu.edu/users/b/f/bfs124/area%2051%20Pictures/index.php
as seen on google earth, and google maps.

little boy blue

_raptor_ wrote:

2: Area 51 is simply a research and development centre for the military the Stealth Bomber was developed there hell even the Blackbird came from there.

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I have to agree with _raptor on this one, I've read allot on the Area 51 Location, and as far as I can tell it's a Top Secret Air Base that is used for research and development, probably working on the likes of technologic and biological warfare advances.
I don't think for one moment there is little green men out their...

As for Roswell, didn't you here, is was a weather balloon..

little boy blue

Beekay wrote:

What actually happened?
This may interest you

Area 51: Bush Exempts Secret Base from Environmental Laws

That super secret Air Force base near Groom Lake, Nevada purported site of everything from captured aliens to the highest of high tech aircraft has been exempted by President Bush from environmental laws that would disclose classified information regarding base operations.
President Bush's decision about Groom Lake was made last September and published December 24 in the Federal Register.
Groom Lake has been the target of litigation brought about by former workers at the base. That legal action focused on health effects resulting in the handling and disposal of hazardous wastes at the secret locale.
Bush judged that it is in the paramount interest of the United States to prevent disclosure of information about Groom Lake.
The Presidential decision exempts the air force activity at Groom Lake Nevada from any federal state interstate or local provision respecting
Control and abatement of solid waste or hazardous waste disposal that would require the disclosure of classified information concerning the operating location to any unauthorized person.
The exemption shall be effective for a full one year statutory period. :rolleyes:

Undergod

dlofnep wrote:

Also, nothing much happens apparently at Area 51 anymore. It is supposidly used as a decoy for other lesser known bases.

Makes perfect sense. If there's one thing succesful conspiracies have to be good a, it's disinformation and misinformation warfare.

miju

dlofnep wrote:

You are referring to a caller into Art Bell's coast to coast am show. I listen to that way back when. The caller called back at a later date and said it was a hoax.

Thanks for the link, when I heard that last year sometime the website neglected to mention the caller range back saying it was a hoax. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm;)

Zapho

I remember reading somewhere that Area 51 has basically been abandonded now seen as there's probably loads of other bases around America at this stage.

billy the squid

re: little boy blue's article

link http://www.space.com/news/area51_exempt_021230.html

Kernel

Wow, where to start!

Kersh wrote:

Roswell, iirc 1947 a flying object of some sort crashed near a roadway in New Mexico. Allegedly the US defence forces were there in double quick time, and herded the public away.

1947, yep. Near a roadway? Nope, there were two crash sites, the main one being in a large ranch, well away from public scrutiny. The military were not there double quick, the site was witnessed by ranchers, who then called the military, who arrived at least a day after the incident or a day after they were informed. The Intelligence Officer (Maj. Jesse Marcel) of the local air force base was sent to investigate.

Kersh wrote:

rumour has it the craft was a UFO, or at least a top secret USAF aircraft, apparently made of a strong light metallic material.

The first statement put out by the USAAF (became USAF in september 16th of the year) was that it was a crashed 'flying saucer'. The military promptly covered up the story and the same people who stated it was a flying saucer were forced to state that it was a weather baloon. Maj. jesse Marcel was one of these people, and later, with other personnel involved, came out and said that it was a saucer, and it was covered up. The strong light metallic material you speak of was said to have been a really lightweight but strong (in terms of trying to snap) metal, with a strange hue, which could be crumpled up like tinfoil but when released would reform to it's original shape. They also witnessed what looked like wooden (of course, that doesn't mean they were wooden) beams with strange symbols like hieroglyphics carved into them.

Kersh wrote:

Story goes that the craft was taken to Hangar 18, a part of Area 51, and 3 alien beings were removed.

Actually, Area 51 wasn't in use at that time. Hangar 18 is also not in Area 51, it was/is part of the Wright Patterson Air Force Base. The craft remains were said to have been shipped off to Ellis Air Force base and Wright Patterson AF base (possibly via the nearby White Sands missile base). There is evidence to suggest that childrens coffins were ordered in great secrecy by the government for the transportation of bodies (numbers of bodies vary but some were witnessed initially by the ranchers).

Kersh wrote:

Any members of the public that seen anything swear it was a space craft, the US officials didnt clarify anything.

Not many members of the public seen anything. Initially ranchers got a good look, then were silenced, a nurse and a mortician also allegedly witnessed the bodies, but were also threatened and silenced. Maj. Marcel went public about a coverup when he retired from the military, and stated he was forced to pose with false wreckage of a balloon and forced to change the press release - much to his dismay, as he felt it made him look foolish and unprofessional.

A 2002 scientific dig at the crash site revealed there was a sizeable impact on the soil, thus rubbishing the claims of a weather or spy balloon being downed.

Kersh wrote:

A good book I read on it years ago called ' Alien Liaisons' - cant remember the author, brings up a lot of info, some from ex workers at area 51.

Kersh, what you remember on the book or incident is a bit lax to say the least. Better to say nothing than give false info - unless you're a government intelligence agency counter and disinformation specialist like me.