Full scale gang fight near the Parkway

Redneck_Rebel

Rasier, they are not here by accident, there are coming from the airport in Clare and passing through.
I didn't start comparing Cork to Dublin, it was you who started to compare Limerick,Cork and Dublin. So don't start b1tching to me about doggy comparisons. When you when at that crap I let you at it but now that you got into it, Limerick should have a crime rate that is preportional to it size. That would entail that there would only be a tiny part that you couldn't walk into if you want to hold on to the items in your pocket. Now I'm sure that Myross and Southhill are not all bad but I don't want to find myself there. Most streets in the city are dodgy after dark. Well I bose in "comparison" to the rest of the city.

"If seems all too easy for some people to look into their neighbours garden and find something wrong while convienently ignoring their own."
Well when I inhabit my neighbours garden I have every right. You are the one ignoring other cities when it is convinient. The amount of crime in Dublin and Limerick may very well be the same but the size difference is a mojor factor, and don't start on about Facts now coz you were the one comparing the 2 cities earlier.

Raiser

limerick_man wrote:

Can i just say... if that is our most prominent landmark ... are tourist industary is ****ed!!!!
I guess people would travel around the world for a clock that was built about 30 years ago... with the pennys logo all over it!
But I'm sure your right, they come to see the clock not the world famous Cresent, or Irelands best presevred and most natural Georgian buildings*... or even King Johns Castle or the Treaty Stone not the angelus ashes tour, not for the sports, or the Shannon!!!

That even comes from a Dublin sorce!!!!

Penneys Clock can be seen in this cheery picture of Limerick on a "sunny" day



The Georgian buildings are the most wonderful Accountants, Auctioneers etc. offices on earth, I grant you that.....

The Cresent is where the road bends slightly to make a slight bow shape, I doubt that visiting Parisians see it and feel ashamed of the Champs Elysee.....

The Shannon is wet, cold and full of faeces and Tesco shopping trolleys....

King Johns Castle is resolutely defended by Knackeraguans and does it still have the Aluminum/PVC limp erection in front of it.....

The Treaty stone was created by the hardening of molten igneous rock and the pressure of moving plates in the earths crust, its hardly the Colosseum - come on its a rock on a moudly pedestal......

Finally, Angelas Ashes had a byline of "A miserable irish childhood in Limerick"

- Unfortunatley, I have also been treated to "A miserable irish teenage-years in Limerick"
- Also I cannot say I enjoyed "A miserable irish twenties in Limerick"
- SADLY I'm now embarking on "A miserable irish thirties in Limerick"

P.S. You know the ad they used to show in the Cinema - I'm from Limerick, showing all of the famous Limerick people who are sucessfull/famous etc. saying "I'm from Limerick"

- Should have been "I'm from Limerick - but I got the fu(k out years ago" -'cause I don't think any of them stuck around.....

Redneck_Rebel

limerick_man wrote:

Shannon!!!

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I'd go to Clare

martyFarty

I was born in and grew up in Limerick and I have to see some of the scariest places I've seen are in Limerick. Before hash became as readily available as it is today, we used have to cycle into the bowels of Southhill etc for our "ten spots". I've been in Dublin now for the last 2 years and I think the dirtballs up here seem to be pussies compared some of the pyschopaths in
Limerick. Maybe we should be proud. We've got the best knackers in the country. :cool:

Amazotheamazing

Well Limerick's Art Gallery is top class, as is the Hunt Muesum, and both Cathedrals are impressive, the national self portrait gallery is in UL, it is good enough for shopping (I suppose). Thomond Park is a great venue for rugby, one of the best club grounds in Europe. Suppose the Belltable is fine as a theatre. The castle's fairly crap though.

Limerick's real strenght (from a tourism point of view) is it's proximity to Shannon, and the tourist amenities in both Clare and Tipperary. there's no point saying otherwise.

limerick_man

Raiser wrote:

The Shannon is wet

Damn ok... you beat me there, damn you are so good at this arguing thing, people wont wanna come to a wet river... what was i thinking!!!

You seem to twist everything around, the georigian buildings may not be great for usage... but theu look great and tourists dont really care if the a/c upstairs feels he cant orginise properly or something!!!
The cresent is famous... and is a landmark, for the time it was a great achievment!!
The treaty stone is our heritage, our history, its got a great background and is a symbol for our city!

Raiser wrote:

- Unfortunatley, I have also been treated to "A miserable irish teenage-years in Limerick"
- Also I cannot say I enjoyed "A miserable irish twenties in Limerick"
- SADLY I'm now embarking on "A miserable irish thirties in Limerick"

Well, I'm a teen in Limerick, I love it here!!!

Raiser wrote:

- Should have been "I'm from Limerick - but I got the fu(k out years ago" -'cause I don't think any of them stuck around.....

No, loads of them still live here, most people who have left becuase of where theyre work brings them... this happens because Ireland isnt where they want there career to peak!!!


You seem to have forgotten the text on the page, here it is in full!

Limerick is the third largest city in Ireland. It was originally a Viking settlement, formed at the lowest crossing point of the river Shannon, where the Shannon meets the sea. The Shannon is the longest river in the British Isles, over 162 miles and is not only navigable along almost its entire length, but is also connected to many other waterways. The picture above shows King John's Castle, which guarded the Shannon and the picture below right shows O'Connell Street which is part of a comprehensive shopping area.

Limerick County has many world famous attractions including the beautiful village of Adare, Ardagh (where the Ardagh Chalice was found), and Foynes (from where flying boats carried 1000's across the Atlantic before jet aircraft gained dominance). Limerick City is only 30 minutes from Shannon International Airport with direct flights from the USA and Europe.

limerick_man

Amazotheamazing wrote:

Well Limerick's Art Gallery is top class, as is the Hunt Muesum, and both Cathedrals are impressive, the national self portrait gallery is in UL, it is good enough for shopping (I suppose). Thomond Park is a great venue for rugby, one of the best club grounds in Europe. Suppose the Belltable is fine as a theatre.

Yeah you defentatly put in some attractions that people do come a long way for ... but um... Thomond Park one of the top venues in EU?? I would agree if you said the gaelic grounds, hell it holds more people than Lansdowne road! People i dont think would come here (from abroad anyway) for anything going on in the Belltable!

Amazotheamazing wrote:

The castle's fairly crap though.

I think some of the things in the castle are great, the video really shows what happened during the time of the seiges (and boy is it funny)!!!!
When its summer, more is happening they have people in the courtyard and the miner etc.!!!

Amazotheamazing wrote:

Limerick's real strenght (from a tourism point of view) is it's proximity to Shannon, and the tourist amenities in both Clare and Tipperary. there's no point saying otherwise.

Well I mean sure our proximity to other tourist is a large part of why people come here, but not the only reason. And most of these attractions were built (the man made ones anyway) because of the city)! Limerick was at one stage the main place in Ireland, one of the first cities in the the world to get a charter.. the first in Ireland.
The city is steeped in history, it really is!!!

Amazotheamazing

Limerick_man, Thomond Park is recognised as one of the best venues in Europe, it has plays and songs written about it. Munster rarely lose there, the fans even gave an ovation to the first team to beat Munster in 7 years, the Welsh side Llanetli.

My point about the other places is that could be entertained as a tourist in Limerick, not necessarily that you'd travel the world to see them.

limerick_man

Oh you mean that its a big fuss ... not the actual facilites!! Like wrigly field in chicago "the friendly confines" munster has thomond park " the sound of silence"!

Well yeah, theres enough to entertain us... but the whole why choose Limerick isssue!

Amazotheamazing

Well why choose anywhere if thats the case? Dublin is the only real city in Ireland, or the republic at least. Cork has very few city centre attractions, though it's county is beautiful and it's pubs are way more lively than Limericks, same story with Galway, no buildings worth travelling to see, only 2 or 3 top class restaurants, no real gallerys or muesums, it has much better atmosphere (incredibly better if truth be told) on shop street, but even that is only 15 or so years old, since it was pedestrianised. Galway's night life is much better than Limericks, like I said a page or so ago, Limerick is dull, not ridiciously dangerous, but dull. We do have some great restaurants though.

The Lopper

I refute your fact/statistic with the unassailable contention that there is nothing to see or do in Limerick.
"Tourists" cannot derive pleasure from Limerick the same way as you cannot extract coco-pops from say twigs
and dead leaves - ITS IMPOSSIBLE.

Ergo these people are here by accident or on business and are shortly thereafter seen frantically trying to leave.

unassailable contention that there is nothing to see or do in Limerick? My, my i know Limerick isn't exactly Disneyland (and thanks be to god for that small mercy) but the argument that there is nothing to see or do in Limerick is idiotic.

If tourists did not enjoy themselves here, then nobody would come here, and therefore no-one would build hotels, or bother with developing tourist sites (King John's Castle, St Mary's Cathedral, Hunt Museum..etc). However they do, so it stands to reason that people are enjoying there stays in Limerick


Of course there is little reason to travel the world to Limerick, and i for one am glad. If mass tourism means all the pathetic Oirish shops for Yanks and walking down the street unable to pick out another Irish person like it does in Dublin, then fine, i don't particulary want floods of tourists anyway. I'm happy here, if you aren't i'm sure there's plenty of other cities in the world that'll take you.

jammin

martyfarty, raiser an redneck, ye have me laughing....

to everyone else defending limerick like theres no tomorrow i have a few cents to throw in the pot. There is obviously two sides to every arguement. Limericks women went down in history as defending the city with as much and more viciousness and fervour than the men did. (I wonder where 'limerick your a lady' comes from..) This is a good foundation for any city to begin with when embarking on a quest to be toughest. Ahem anyway the arguement here seems to be basically about how derserved limericks stab title is. It is of course total hogwash.... London, Glasgow, Limerick and Laois... the scumbags will get around you know. Crime and violence in Limerick is more organised than other cities if anything, I have lived in the city six years and I can safely say I've seen the same things in small towns out in the county that i've seen here. Things simply aren't as bad as the papers would like us to think.

However , and here comes the twist ~ what there IS in Limerick city is a bad attitude, atmosphere, aura.. call it what you will. This nasty vibe, aggro is what I can only call it. In fact I hereby renickname the city aggro city. I usually here the words '**** off' within a half hour of walking up town. This is undeniable fact, and all the marble and glass and refurbishments in the world can make up for the fact that -you keep your head down, do your work, say nothing to no-on and slink away home- this is limerick city. Since I've moved into this city i've witnessed a full swing around in the place. Socially all you can expect now is an army of shirts n shoes headin into their favourite meat n greet. Its all about the money... i have n't the words to describe it but if you know what i mean then maybe you too are born and bred in county limerick too and have to watch the foul culture of our city slowly infect the rural towns and villages. So before people start going on about the good points of the place.. I know we have many things going for us in the city right now but theres no quashing this vibe I tell you. I lived directly across the road from Spinmister.Willie O'Dea for a year and I got the very same vibe off of him. A sort of sickening smugness. Don't get me started on the government though...(I mean we fought to have our own government in the republic and then we let the biggest **** and eejits from around the country into it so they can laugh at us, openly)

All i know is 10 minutes out of the bus in Galway and I want to live there already. I cant wait for the day I can be on up outta dis biatch.

p.s to the teenager who says they are enjoying growing limerick etc... this is good to hear but honestly I think there were better pubs here when I was still a teenager. And I don't want to be scaremongering but I was set upon with huge sticks at the age of fifteen at a quite rural carnival out in limericks beautiful countryside so if you think you're safe now believe me, it can all change very fast when you're left for dead in a ditch by inbred scum (i never got over this , I just got very, very even).There's F' all here get out while you can, DONT get stuck in Limerick, you'll be glad you left.

Redneck_Rebel

Your point about aggro city is correct. That was close to what I was saying a while ago. I think that Limerick could be turned around if the people here stoped saying "we will fix ours when you fix yours".

Amazotheamazing

Whe-hey, we're making progress, from a "dangerous violent city" to a "bad tempered" city in 4 short pages, pretty soon we'll be a "slightly annoyed city", before moving on to become "a bit exasperated city", and finally "ah sure, why worry about it city". In fairness there's a lot of truth in Jammin's post. Can you change the attitude of a city though? How?

Btw, the original quote about the women of Limerick was "the women fought beside the men, and every man a match for ten."
The scribe obviously commenting that Limerick men are the match of any other 10 men, such was/is their passion and fervour.

Redneck_Rebel

I'd say they mixed that up every time you are mugged now you are surounded by 10 Limerick people "can I make a call BUD?"
I never said that I was down gradeing the cities status to "bad tempered" I just agreed that it is. You would only give out about people looking down on Limerick if I would and the last thing I want to do is get on the wrong side of a limerick person.

Yes you can change the attitude of a city the most successful example of this is in the septics. In New York they are after changing the attitude of the city. I'm not on about the Sept. 11 sh1t. Before this, in the 90's it was considered a rough city with an air of disreguard. They started to crack down on the small crimes like grafete and muggings. This has cut the major crimes down as a result. The reson for this is that all the crimes that were being commited are being delt with. It takes time to do this but if it was done in Limerick the city would be safer and a better place to live.

IceHawk

No, they're right. The problem in limerick seems to be that Limerick people are just more easily annoyed than those from Galway or any smaller cities/big towns. It could be down to a lack of public amenities. People have the attitude that they don't owe the city anything, and civic pride is very low (except possibly among scumbags, but that's not the sort of pride we're loking for here). Maybe when Limerick changes it's image sufficiently there will be an increase in the number of people proud to be from the area and consequently more pro-active about problems.
At the moment a whole lot of people seem to be saying that they're just in Limerick till they can get a train out of here. If the city becomes a more desirable place to live, maybe people will start showing greater interest in improving the place.

Redneck_Rebel

Amazotheamazing wrote:

I've always found Limerick people to be friendly

IceHawk wrote:

The problem in limerick seems to be that Limerick people are just more easily annoyed than those from Galway or any smaller cities/big towns

I mean you have just made a U-turn in your argument. Well the Limerick side of the argument.

Are we correct in thinking that Limerick is an unfriendly city so, or what in chri$t name is going on?

Amazotheamazing

Well I can't speak for IceHawk, I've always found Limerick people to be friendly.

One of the reasons I blame for the city's atmosphere is that effectively there's a one way dual carriage-way running through the heart of town. Think about O'Connell street, it's 2 lanes of continually heavy traffic, which makes the city centre loud, dirty and smelling of traffic. Added to that are the ugly signposts etc, that go with busy roads. It's just unattractive.

Also there are very few high quality apartments in the city centre (though this changing), which reflects the standard of tenant that lives there. The best addition recently has actually been the number of Polish people living in town, as they seem to be pleasant, sociable people (in the most part), which makes these city centre streets (even:)) more friendly.

IceHawk

No turn around, I'm just saying that Limerick, however undeserving it might be of the reputation stamped on it by the media, would benefit from a change of attitude from some of it's citizens. The current negative attitude is largely due to the fact that the media is always putting the city down - whatever you say about the facts of crimes in limerick, the truth is that as a city we recieve disproportionate coverage on crime.

Amazotheamazing

"Like a dog thats been beat too much, til you spend half your life just covering up" type stuff eh IceHawk? Is nothing Bruce can't teach us?

Redneck_Rebel

IceHawk wrote:

No turn around, I'm just saying that Limerick, however undeserving it might be of the reputation stamped on it by the media, would benefit from a change of attitude from some of it's citizens. The current negative attitude is largely due to the fact that the media is always putting the city down - whatever you say about the facts of crimes in limerick, the truth is that as a city we recieve disproportionate coverage on crime.

So it a big catch 22 the media coverage is the reson that it is un friendly and you would be a happier people only for this. And the media is only reporting the unfriendly antisocial behaviour(disproportionatly or not).

Amazotheamazing

Redneck_Rebel wrote:

. And the media is only reporting the unfriendly antisocial behaviour(disproportionatly or not).

Therein lies the problem, the media only report the bad stuff, particulary the rag that is the Limerick Leader. 2 top people in athletics have tipped Limerick as the perfect base for athletes training for London 2012, yet whenever they get quoted it's always prefaced by some story that happened 3 years ago or something. My brothers and I have all trained, often on our own, along the canal or the river paths without ever having bother, no one I know who trains there has problems there either, so why keep quoting the same negative story?

Redneck_Rebel

Amazotheamazing wrote:

One of the reasons I blame for the city's atmosphere is that effectively there's a one way dual carriage-way running through the heart of town. Think about O'Connell street, it's 2 lanes of continually heavy traffic, which makes the city centre loud, dirty and smelling of traffic. Added to that are the ugly signposts etc, that go with busy roads. It's just unattractive.

I'm not sure about this as all cities have traffic problems. Well all Irish cities anyway. I think that the city would benift from more pedestreian streets but this could also back fire as it would give scobes a larger area of the city that they could "hang out"

IceHawk

I agree with Amazo, The whole of Limerick is like a maze of one way streets. More pedestrian streets are a good idea though. The city centre is a nightmare to get around on foot. I like cork's centre where they have all the pedestrian streets coming off the main street. Something like that would be good in Limerick, on a smaller scale. I've also always thought that the market on saturday has huge potential as an attraction to the city, but there needs to be some work done in the area tomake it more appealing.
As to the chicken and egg thing with the media coverage, I agree that Limerick has gone through some bad times, but the lasting effect has been that every single violent act in Limerick is reported nationally. Example: Yesterday, the Irish Sun ran an article suggesting Limerick was as bad as ever, with higher murder rates over the last four years than Dublin or Cork. It mentioned that Limerick hasn't had a murder in the last 12 months, while West Dublin has had 8, but it implied that this was just a temporary lull in limerick crime and that the fact that we've had a 'year off' and are still ahead of the other cities is a sign off how bad Limerick is instead of how the city has improved in the past couple of years.

Redneck_Rebel

Amazotheamazing wrote:

Therein lies the problem, the media only report the bad stuff, particulary the rag that is the Limerick Leader. 2 top people in athletics have tipped Limerick as the perfect base for athletes training for London 2012, yet whenever they get quoted it's always prefaced by some story that happened 3 years ago or something. My brothers and I have all trained, often on our own, along the canal or the river paths without ever having bother, no one I know who trains there has problems there either, so why keep quoting the same negative story?

The facilities are in the county to train, they are all in UL. The problem about this being a Limerick city plus is that half of it is in Clare. By right it should be ULC coz you have GMIT and it is only fair if you use their land that they get the recognetion for it.

Can I ask you a Question about running, would you carry much in your pocket when running?

Redneck_Rebel

IceHawk wrote:

I agree with Amazo, The whole of Limerick is like a maze of one way streets. More pedestrian streets are a good idea though. The city centre is a nightmare to get around on foot. I like cork's centre where they have all the pedestrian streets coming off the main street. Something like that would be good in Limerick, on a smaller scale. I've also always thought that the market on saturday has huge potential as an attraction to the city, but there needs to be some work done in the area tomake it more appealing.
As to the chicken and egg thing with the media coverage, I agree that Limerick has gone through some bad times, but the lasting effect has been that every single violent act in Limerick is reported nationally. Example: Yesterday, the Irish Sun ran an article suggesting Limerick was as bad as ever, with higher murder rates over the last four years than Dublin or Cork. It mentioned that Limerick hasn't had a murder in the last 12 months, while West Dublin has had 8, but it implied that this was just a temporary lull in limerick crime and that the fact that we've had a 'year off' and are still ahead of the other cities is a sign off how bad Limerick is instead of how the city has improved in the past couple of years.

But Limerick shouldn't even come near to Dublin or even Cork coz of the population differece. So Limerick has more murder than the two bigger cities in the country. Then the fact that the media highlights this sends you into a rant about the slant they put on it.

IceHawk

My point was that the city is improving. Read the post. It was so bad that even after a year without a murder, Limerick still has on average more murders than Dublin or Cork. But in actual fact, West Dublin alone had 8 murders in the past year, while Limerick had none. If you look at a shorter, more recent timeframe for the statistics, Limerick is infinitely better than Dublin (No offence to any Dubliners out there )

Redneck_Rebel

So on a shorter time frame I'll grant you that it is better than Dublin but the fact still remains that over the past 4 years Limerick outstriped a city that is in all fairness over 10 time bigger (in population) in the murder stakes. Now tell me that is alright.

Did you ever hear DJ gary on 2FM take the mick out of Limerick for being harder than any part of dublin. You should be happy.

Amazotheamazing

I don't run with anything in my pockets, but I'll have a gps watch, and ipod, and a good pair of shoes so I am probably worth mugging if you're planning something.

I think you'll find crime figures are per capita, so as a % Limerick compares to Dublin, or Cork, not actual number of crimes committed.

Galway or Cork don't have dual carriageways running through the very heart of the city.

Redneck_Rebel

It not a dual carrage way it is two lanes in the one direction. To have a dual carrage way it would have to have the same going the other way as well(dual). Unless the speed limit in the city is 100Km I'm not buying it. Well you'd thing that a city with a smaller population could expect a smaller percentage of crime per capita due to more accountability But no, and you can't argue with the figures.
Its like statistics. Ask the right people and you can get what ever you want. You ilimanate the past 3 years and Limerick is great, no murder.