Setting up the Lidl Satellite System: For Beginners

mightyboosh

boardy wrote:

Come on guys, I already answered this question.
You need to be pointed at Astra 1 (19E) to get its channels (irrespective of what you say about signal strength etc.). Think about it, how do you expect to get these channels when you are not pointed at it? You are pointed at 28E. You can however use another LNB to get the channels on 19E (See earlier posts ad infinitum).


But I wish life was that easy ….

Yes message received and understood. Like I said I'm getting 28e no problem at all, but that doesn't answer my question does it.

You think about it...
How can a parabolic antenna be picking up the sub-codes when it's several degrees off? This can't be down to harmonics, not at these frequencies so why I'm I receiving the channel sub-code information from 19e @ 98% ?

I still don't get it

Any ideas?

Zaphod

mightyboosh wrote:

How can a parabolic antenna be picking up the sub-codes when it's several degrees off? This can't be down to harmonics, not at these frequencies so why I'm I receiving the channel sub-code information from 19e @ 98% ?

It has nothing to do with "sub-codes" or "harmonics".

The satellite operators often reuse the same transponder frequencies for satellites in different orbital positions. If you overlay the graphic represenations of the transponders of 28E and 19E in the link below, you can see the two coincide at various frequencies.
http://www.satsig.net/spectrums-europe.htm

For example, on Astra 2D 28E, BBC One is available on 10.818, V, 22000, 5/6. On Astra 2C 19E, CC Valencia is available on 10.818, V, 22000, 5/6. If your dish is pointing at 28E, but you select CC Valencia on your receiver, the receiver will indicate that it is receiving a channel in both the signal level and quality meters, but there will be no audio or video, because the audio and video PIDs will be those for BBC One, not CC Valencia. The receivers are dumb and if you select the satellite as being 19E, they will assume that your dish is indeed pointed at 19E.

mightyboosh

Zaphod wrote:

It has nothing to do with "sub-codes" or "harmonics".

The satellite operators often reuse the same transponder frequencies for satellites in different orbital positions. If you overlay the graphic represenations of the transponders of 28E and 19E in the link below, you can see the two coincide at various frequencies.
http://www.satsig.net/spectrums-europe.htm

For example, on Astra 2D 28E, BBC One is available on 10.818, V, 22000, 5/6. On Astra 2C 19E, CC Valencia is available on 10.818, V, 22000, 5/6. If your dish is pointing at 28E, but you select CC Valencia on your receiver, the receiver will indicate that it is receiving a channel in both the signal level and quality meters, but there will be no audio or video, because the audio and video PIDs will be those for BBC One, not CC Valencia. The receivers are dumb and if you select the satellite as being 19E, they will assume that your dish is indeed pointed at 19E.

Thanks for the informative reply.

I knew 19.2 couldn't be received (that much is obvious) I just didn't know why my receiver was trying to tell me otherwise, and where the channel info was coming from, so thanks, that explains it.

I think the best way forward for me will be a small, separate dish for 19.2 and a switching box.

Much appreciated.

boardy

mightyboosh: Have you considered a motorized option using the same dish? It might be more cost-effective.

Couch Potato

Lads, if it is of any use Lidl in Westend Blanchardstown had 3 of the satellite systems on sale today and they have loads of the sat finder thingys...

pyxxel

Hi there,

Well you won'T find anything just by holding the dish out of the window - satellite locations are determined both by degrees from south as well as height above horizon. Both values obviously change depending where you are on the face of the earth, and also the direction needs to be found quite accurately. A few millimeters out in any direction and you won't get a signal, and since it's digital it's not coming in gradually but is either off or on (and more often than not, OFF!)

I've hung up my dish on the supplied bracket and am trying to aim it this weekend, will report my findings here if I get a chance. BTW I'm in Dublin-West.

pyx

wil

"Strong signal but no picture" invariably means WRONG satellite
If the channels you can see are
Mostly English - Astra 2 28.3E (Astra 2 ABD and Eurobird appear as one sat to your receiver)
Mostly German - Astra 1 19E
Mostly Italian - Hotbird 10E
If you get "Strong signal but no picture" it invariably means your dish is pointing at the WRONG satellite no matter what you think your receiver is telling you
As I mentioned in the twin Lidl thread, most of the problems here and the other thread are arising from thinking your dish is pointing at a particular sat but are actually pointing at a different one. Almost exactly the same questions as last time Lidl and Aldi sold these.
I may have suggested last time but certainly do so again that this question be added to the FAQs or stickies (same place 2 months time)

A separate question asked earlier regarding obstacles - a general rule of thumb is that you should be twice the height of the obstacle in distance away from it. As you look further East or West the sats are lower on the horizon and you may need to be further from the obstacle to get a clear view and signal.

grogz24

hi everyone! i need serious help please! first i live in meath and the only channels i can pick up are in german and french!! i took someone advice and pointed it where the sun does be at noon?? which sat am i picking up and which should i be lookin for!?

any suggestions!!! cheers

muincav

you are on 19.2 and need to go left a little to 28.5- try the thread at the top of the main Sat pages on Boards (Lidl Sat) and you will get more info...

It will come good, so enjoy

wil

grogz24 wrote: »

hi everyone! i need serious help please! first i live in meath and the only channels i can pick up are in german and french!! i took someone advice and pointed it where the sun does be at noon?? which sat am i picking up and which should i be lookin for!?

any suggestions!!! cheers

Your question was answered in my post just above nearly a year before you asked.
Mostly German - Astra1.
Presumably you want mostly English, which is still Astra 2 28.3E or nearly 10 degrees ACW as you look down on the dish.

Terry

This will work with a sky mini dish, yes?

Do I need to move the dish to find the English channels?

biologikal

Terry wrote: »

This will work with a sky mini dish, yes?

Yes

Terry wrote: »

Do I need to move the dish to find the English channels?

If you were getting the English channels with this dish before, and if the dish hasn't moved since, no.

guinnessdrinker

Anyone know if it's possible to buy the silvercrest sl65 on it's own anywhere without the dish?

wil

guinnessdrinker wrote: »

Anyone know if it's possible to buy the silvercrest sl65 on it's own anywhere without the dish?

Online there are probably plenty of German suppliers among others, but retail in Ireland it would be hard to find on its own cheaper than the price Aldi/Lidl charge with all the extras.

Maplin recently selling a few varieties of Comag, SL25 and SL30 IIRC as well as with SL65 in kit around €120 to 130
Cant remember the specs but I think the SL25 or maybe 20 only had scart, nothing else. Was about €60

decob

anyone know if its possible to get a new lmb holder for the lidl system. managed to snap one of the ends while replacing the lmb.

stupid plastic piece of crap.

watty

No.

Glue gun and Tie Wraps.

byte

A Sticky Thread already covering Lidl systems with loads of info, so I'm closing this one.