Tiesto, Van Dyke and all that crap...

...I love dance music, particularly stuff from the late 80s and early 90s.

But am I the only one left a little cold by all the euphoria stuff that's been pushed by MTV Dance in recent years. I mean, I saw something by this guy Tiesto (who I believe is huge at the moment) recently, and frankly it looked like bubble gum dance to me. Lots of kids, strobes and some guy who probably spent his formative years locked in some German bedroom listening to Scooter jumping around behind a very fancy set. It was bad Sash...and I blame him for lots.

Come back Guru Josh, all is forgiven...

tel922001

i also love all the 80's and 90's dance but in my eyes tiesto and PVD produce some of the best quality trance of the late 90's and up to present , there work is very original , for instance a tune called traffic by tiesto, its not ur normal trance tune , then flight 643 n and PVD for an angel , , and i would agree that every dj that produces dance music will release one or 2 dodgy tracks , but if u move to other dj's away from trance its the very same dave clark knocked out some good quality music but he also released some sh*t, same with carl cox, the list is endless and all dj's are very alike no matter wat type of music there are involved in , im a big fan of deep dish , have alot of their stuff and u never go wrong , but a few years back i bought a remix album on record by them and it was the worst €20 i spent

chern0byl

tel922001 wrote:

the best quality trance

I stopped reading there. If i was hungry, starving even and i came across a well formed and crafted piece of shíte. Would i eat it? fúck no!

sur_1_nuage

Come on guys wake up and move away from all that crap! nothing new or creative, all the same, silly melodies etc

Loobz

Its time to wake up and smell the techno tbh.

Anima

Its foolish to write off trance, or any other genre for that matter, completly. There are some decent original tracks in every type of music. Maybe this dosen't apply to trance as much anymore because of how commerical it has become but older stuff is pretty good. I mean I can still listen to Art of Trance - Madagascar and think "wow this is pretty good".

Chucky the tree

your basing your views of trance from just watching mtv dance?



brilliant.

Bri

MTV Dance don't even play dance during the day.

Shrimp

Exactly. MTV just show what they want you to see. Go out, buy some Cd's. Go to the gigs, Dyke has some brilliant sets. I wouldn't call him "bubble gum dance". One that I particularly like is "nothing but you" and but I like the Cirrus Remix more. As for all this commercial dance, thats a load of trash. Scooter etc etc = Awful.

comad

I think the thing that annoys me and most people is the self promotional aspect of these DJs. Can you imagine the quality of music that PvD has access to. :eek: Then he goes playing his mates music ie The Sasha remix of Lostep - Burma or Wavy Gravy or PvD remixing Deep Dish - Say Hello while Deep Dish remix The Other Side. While its not all bad, its a bit of a sell out. Paul Van Dyks 1997 Essential Mix is nothing sort of a classic and it was before he became famous, now must of his music is from Vandit or artists connected to Vandit or as I said his mates

Eurorunner

People who are into electronica above all others should know better than to simply trash a whole genre of music (ie. trance) in one foul swoop just cos it doesnt appeal.
Remember, the majority of people in their ignorance have a bad attitude towards fans of electronica. Its perfectly natural to have differing tastes but it aint all too broadminded to think that nobody in their right mind could possibly like a genre that you dislike.

I for one endorse these products (Tiesto & PvD). Whilst I couldnt ever see myself enjoying hard house/ DnB, I wouldnt villify (sp?) anyone if thats their bag.

Chucky the tree

comad wrote:

I think the thing that annoys me and most people is the self promotional aspect of these DJs. Can you imagine the quality of music that PvD has access to. :eek: Then he goes playing his mates music ie The Sasha remix of Lostep - Burma or Wavy Gravy or PvD remixing Deep Dish - Say Hello while Deep Dish remix The Other Side. While its not all bad, its a bit of a sell out. Paul Van Dyks 1997 Essential Mix is nothing sort of a classic and it was before he became famous, now must of his music is from Vandit or artists connected to Vandit or as I said his mates

No, he does that because its makes financial sense. A much smarter move to play tunes from vandit then someother label.

So he should never play tune thats made by a well-known dj? right so...

Jivin Turkey

comad wrote:

I think the thing that annoys me and most people is the self promotional aspect of these DJs. Can you imagine the quality of music that PvD has access to. :eek: Then he goes playing his mates music ie The Sasha remix of Lostep - Burma or Wavy Gravy or PvD remixing Deep Dish - Say Hello while Deep Dish remix The Other Side. While its not all bad, its a bit of a sell out. Paul Van Dyks 1997 Essential Mix is nothing sort of a classic and it was before he became famous, now must of his music is from Vandit or artists connected to Vandit or as I said his mates

Im sure on the trance fans can correct me if Im wrong here but doesnt Van Dyk own and run Vandit?

Surely he would only be signing folk that he thought were decent. Hence he likes to play these decent tunes no?

Shrimp

I haven't heard too much of Tiesto's material? What would you recommend? What mix?

Anima

Some of Tiesto's stuff under his Kamaya Painters alias, and other aliases from that time region, is pretty good. Most noteworthy is "Wasteland" and "Cryptomnesia". Some of his old stuff is great and quite unique but then he starts coming out with ****e like that olympic themed album.

StickyMcGinty

tiesto: flight 643, Urban Train - great tunes.

i heard my local dj crack out tiestos adagio for strings, and ye wanna see him, he thought he was the cheese so he did! makes me hate that tune even more now.... :P

comad

Jivin Turkey wrote:

Im sure on the trance fans can correct me if Im wrong here but doesnt Van Dyk own and run Vandit?

Surely he would only be signing folk that he thought were decent. Hence he likes to play these decent tunes no?

Take Josh Gabriel - Alive. That tune was out for yonks, Van Dyk signs it to Vandit(yes, its his), now he is playing it non stop merely cos its on HIS label, not cos people want to hear it or that its amazing. Its all $$$$

nadir

yeah, Im not much of a Tiesto fan, I actually dont know much about dance music at all, apart from say electroic // whatever, I get confused with genre.
Aphex Twin, Square Pusher, LFO, etc.
I like trances when it's mixed with decent drum and bass. I think it can work really well, I've like heard it at gigs and stuff, just cant remember (didnt know) who it was.
Id like to start getting into this music again though.
If anyones got good recommendations that woould be great,
Say like everything from ambient, drum & bass, techno, electronic etc.
Basically anything that isn't House, if you know what I mean

drunkenfool

tiesto lol

Chucky the tree

comad wrote:

Take Josh Gabriel - Alive. That tune was out for yonks, Van Dyk signs it to Vandit(yes, its his), now he is playing it non stop merely cos its on HIS label, not cos people want to hear it or that its amazing. Its all $$$$

if people didnt like/want to hear the music he plays no one would turn up to see him. :rolleyes:

Bowing2Buddha

Shrimp wrote:

I haven't heard too much of Tiesto's material? What would you recommend? What mix?

Tiesto is absolutley outstanding. Listen 2 Adagio for strings, a fabulous piece of work.. Much better than Ferry Corsten's version i might add.. Suset on Ibiza, and Lethal Industry are also great tracks..

StickyMcGinty

tiestos adagio for strings is the cheesyist thing going around at the moment, no way is it his best stuff!

Helix

why are people STILL talking about his adagio for strings remix???? its 2 bloody years old

Jivin Turkey

Helix wrote:

why are people STILL talking about his adagio for strings remix???? its 2 bloody years old

And did he even change it bar a banging bassline to keep the yip-yas happy?

Corkgirl

tiesto is one of the best djs around!! lisa lashes is also good

bush

Corkgirl wrote:

tiesto is one of the best djs around!! lisa lashes is also good

Word

Helix

hahahahaha

sur_1_nuage

He he!

jonny68

Conor74 wrote:

...I love dance music, particularly stuff from the late 80s and early 90s.

But am I the only one left a little cold by all the euphoria stuff that's been pushed by MTV Dance in recent years. I mean, I saw something by this guy Tiesto (who I believe is huge at the moment) recently, and frankly it looked like bubble gum dance to me. Lots of kids, strobes and some guy who probably spent his formative years locked in some German bedroom listening to Scooter jumping around behind a very fancy set. It was bad Sash...and I blame him for lots.

Come back Guru Josh, all is forgiven...

My thoughts exactly

jonny68

Corkgirl wrote:

tiesto is one of the best djs around!! lisa lashes is also good

how old are you again :rolleyes:

BloodBath

The thread is gone completely off topic. I think Tiesto is one of the most over-rated dj's though. Both his mixes and his production are lack lustre. Maybe he's good live but he wouldn't be top of my list of must see's at a festival.

Anywho to the op, ignore the likes of him and get yourself some good electro or techno mixes. You don't hear this **** on tv. It hasn't fallen into the hands of comercialism yet.

BTW Tiesto's mix of adagio is ****e, at least William Orbit had the original idea of remixing it in the first place.

tel922001

u cannot compare electro and techno to trance , wat a pack of bull ye are all talkin about at least compare tiesto to another trance dj , doesnt make any sense comparing him to a total different style of music

tel922001

BloodBath wrote:

The thread is gone completely off topic. I think Tiesto is one of the most over-rated dj's though. Both his mixes and his production are lack lustre. Maybe he's good live but he wouldn't be top of my list of must see's at a festival.

Anywho to the op, ignore the likes of him and get yourself some good electro or techno mixes. You don't hear this **** on tv. It hasn't fallen into the hands of comercialism yet.

BTW Tiesto's mix of adagio is ****e, at least William Orbit had the original idea of remixing it in the first place.

willian orbit didnt remix it , ferry corsten did

Executive Steve

was william orbit iirc....

saw tiesto once, wasn't expecting much to be honest, and boy was he wack... standing around waving at the crow and drinking, putting on a record, standing around for the next five to eight minutes, then putting on another one....

like 99% of house / trance / prog / hard house / whatever dj's....

Wertz

tel922001 wrote:

willian orbit didnt remix it , ferry corsten did

You're wrong. Either that or you've got your wires crossed....Corsten remixed Orbit's version which is a rework of Samuel Barber's calssical piece. Orbit released a few versions of Adagio over the years on his various Pieces in a modern style albums, but the definitive single version was released in 1999...

Back on topic.... I have time for Tiesto's earlier stuff and I have a lot of time for ANYTHING that PVD does....I'm not goign to fall into the trap of musical snobbery just because either have achieved commercial success....they achieved that success because they're good at what they do.
I have most album stuff that PVD has released, and a fair few mixes....it's still miles above the cheese that aspires to it. Tiesto less so, especially lately.

Trance has come in for a bad rap due to a lot of factors...Judge Jules and the mong brigade haven't fdone it any favours and it has acquired a chav/skanger image, but I challenge anyone to listen to output by either artist mentioned prior (Tiesto's Adagio excepted) and say that it's crap.
Now Hard House and the Euphoria bollocks....that's another thing entirely and I personally can't stand it...I've gone a bit mental to it on a night out, but it's unlistenable without a lot of drugs, whereas I can stick on a PVD album at any time of day and enjoy it, or go out of a night and dance to it.

Go pick up Vorsrung Dyk Technik to see his remix talent at work (prior to commercial success), go find Seven Ways, a brilliant album, go listen to Politics of Dancing, still one of my favourite compilation albums outside of the Global Underground series...all first class work.

While on the subject of trance, most stuff on the Platipus label is well above cheese...Jam and Spoon, Blu Peter, Humate, Salt Tank, Dave Angel the excellent BT; all produced several classic trance albums/singles...loads of others that I simply can't recall off the top of my head.
I love the old old stuff as much as anyone that was around back then, but those days are gone....take a listen to "Infinity" again....it's certainly showing it's age and production values but it holds special memories for me too....doesn't mean to say that the stuff out now won't do the same for the youngsters in 15 yrs time...

tel922001

wertz , i understand wat ur sayin about who remixed wat, im just stating that ferry corsten remixed barbers strings for adagio for a dance tune , willian orbits remixes are only classical , when it comes to that tune , and before anyone says it william orbit has remixed other dance stuff like madonna etc . and the dance acts u stated did knock out good quality trance , they are just a few to mention, alot more like oliver lieb, nalin and kane etc etc , i recently bought tiestio live in concert , from germany , its the one which the barbers strings for adiogio video is made from , and its no normal mix he does , there is some very good quality trance on this 3 hour mix, and he uses the guy from aqualung on piano, he uses a choir , and a few people on violin, and i think thats why he stands out from the rest, is there any other djs who go down the same lines?

Bowing2Buddha

tel922001 wrote:

willian orbit didnt remix it , ferry corsten did

Exactly - it was in Kevin and Perry go large.. Tiesto's version was better tho

whacker4fun

art of trance madagascar is one of the all time great trance tunes with solar stone seven cities....

tel922001

Freefall ft Jan Johnson skydive
Push Universal Nation and a lot more i could list

There is so many quality trance tunes that still sound up to date ,

aidob

right , everyone seems to be slating Trance sayin its all to commercial ,

wel ye it is , if your goin the Tiesto (and to a lesser extent PVD) road ,

havent heard anyone mention the likes of ,

Menno De Jong , M.I.K.E. , Fred Baker , Kyau & Albert , Octagen , and even Ireland's own John O'Callaghan ,

all quality trance DJ's and producers ,

if you only gonna search in the top of the pile , all u will find is cheese ,

BTW , your gauging this topic wit MTV Dance , ffs .........

roamer

i used to be big into trance and then I got into techno. first album: Data & Decks Mix, cant even remember the name of the mixmeister now its sooooooooooo late, but know when I stick on my trance cds I realise that all the rythm in trance tracks is the exact same... ... ... ... ... Techno is all about the rythm and thats what music is all about. God, I cant believe I wasted so many years of my life listening to trance.

tel922001

aidob wrote:

right , everyone seems to be slating Trance sayin its all to commercial ,

wel ye it is , if your goin the Tiesto (and to a lesser extent PVD) road ,

havent heard anyone mention the likes of ,

Menno De Jong , M.I.K.E. , Fred Baker , Kyau & Albert , Octagen , and even Ireland's own John O'Callaghan ,

all quality trance DJ's and producers ,

if you only gonna search in the top of the pile , all u will find is cheese ,

BTW , your gauging this topic wit MTV Dance , ffs .........

M.I.K.E - Push 'universal nation' same person

aidob

ha didnt even notice you mentioned him

tel922001

i got some of the old react LP's some good quality trance on those's like transa, the digital blondes etc etc , , the react albums are the ones with picture animals on the front, id recommend them to trance lovers anyway

Wertz

Got to agree the reactivate series is very good...but definitely at theharder end of the trance spectrum. React's samplers are great too, but I've not seen any in the shops for ages...

tel922001

i just picked one up in a second hand shop yesterday , some of the tunes on the reactivate are hard but there is a few minimal trance very light , there is no **** on those records , bargin at €5 for 16 tunes